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Ghost of Jabroni 1/15/2016 8:26pm
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my source from Suzuki said 2 minutes he was out and I don't doubt him one bit, glad to have js7 back though and hope he...
my source from Suzuki said 2 minutes he was out and I don't doubt him one bit, glad to have js7 back though and hope he can make up the points he lost in just a few races
So he was indeed knocked out? Not that it needed confirmation.

Where are all the people who said Bubba was just laying still because that was protocol in those situations? Those assumptions were more ridiculous than 4thGear's.

I dont see why so many have taken offense to 4thGear's assumption that Bubba was out cold. It's about the weirdest thing to get all worked up over. That said, I dont know the backstory of 4thGearPinned.
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Maybe he's Dr. Seuss...
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kiwifan 1/15/2016 8:29pm
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
So he was indeed knocked out? Not that it needed confirmation. Where are all the people who said Bubba was just laying still because that was...
So he was indeed knocked out? Not that it needed confirmation.

Where are all the people who said Bubba was just laying still because that was protocol in those situations? Those assumptions were more ridiculous than 4thGear's.

I dont see why so many have taken offense to 4thGear's assumption that Bubba was out cold. It's about the weirdest thing to get all worked up over. That said, I dont know the backstory of 4thGearPinned.
Why have we taken offense? Because we are sick of his and your triad over this....fact is it aint gonna change so can we move on????
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bvm111 1/15/2016 8:33pm
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look out below wrote:
"OMG he was knocked out cold for 3 whole minutes! He couldn't possibly pass the concussion protocol!"
4thGearPinned wrote:
The Same concussion test JT$ took absolutely hung over to set his baseline at? and those 2 1/2 minutes that called for a red flag because...
The Same concussion test JT$ took absolutely hung over to set his baseline at? and those 2 1/2 minutes that called for a red flag because of the medical teams concern?
Yes Doctor Rosen Rosen.... That same exact test!

Holy hell man let it go!

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Ghost of Jabroni 1/15/2016 8:35pm
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I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway....... Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that...
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway.......

Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that think he should be racing this weekend.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that if I was in James Stewart's position regardless of whether I was six, 16, 26, 36, or 46 my mom and my dad would be out there at the first practice and grab the front of my helmet and refused to let go.

Mr. and Mrs. Stewart you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your son was knocked out cold six days ago and if you don't do everything in your power to keep him for racing this weekend it's a travesty.
Dont hold back your thoughts. I know this place seems like it doesnt much like those that go against the grain (and maybe that is true) but this is just a forum board. Nobody is going to jump thru the computer screen and punch you. And if youre opinion offends someone and all they can do is huff and puff instead of trying to logically discuss it with u, that's on them, not u.
Ghost of Jabroni 1/15/2016 8:41pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Why have we taken offense? Because we are sick of his and your triad over this....fact is it aint gonna change so can we move on????
Sick of what? His assumption that Bubba was knocked out for a couple minutes? Turns out he was right. What's the problem?

As I said, I dont know 4thGear's backstory. So feel free to fill me in. All Ive seen are his posts in the 2 threads Ive read where he's been involved in the discussion. Nothing he said seemed crazy to me but Im only going off of what I read on this topic of concussions, not any past issues the mob has had with him.
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I jus'wanna say, I never authorized this!
That picture and this comment are just making me laugh and laugh.
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pamoto 1/15/2016 8:43pm
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Dr. Rosen Penis ahahaha
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Sick of what? His assumption that Bubba was knocked out for a couple minutes? Turns out he was right. What's the problem? As I said, I...
Sick of what? His assumption that Bubba was knocked out for a couple minutes? Turns out he was right. What's the problem?

As I said, I dont know 4thGear's backstory. So feel free to fill me in. All Ive seen are his posts in the 2 threads Ive read where he's been involved in the discussion. Nothing he said seemed crazy to me but Im only going off of what I read on this topic of concussions, not any past issues the mob has had with him.
I haven't seen too many people disagreeing with the assertion that Stewart was unconscious. At least, not right now. I think people are sick of hearing same "he shouldn't be out there, we need to protect him from himself" crap time after time.

EddieC posts on this board. I'd love to know his thoughts on the situation.
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Most. Jobs that are important do not allow any internet stuff during works hours. They dont pay people to be on twitter, IG, fb, vital etc. If you cant go 9 hrs without the internet , change jobs to a social media job.
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peelout 1/15/2016 8:46pm
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Happy to see he's feeling well enough to race, my last concussion I don't remember about a 2 week span, all i have are pics. Scary stuff but everyone is different
Ghost of Jabroni 1/15/2016 8:56pm
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Happy to see he's feeling well enough to race, my last concussion I don't remember about a 2 week span, all i have are pics. Scary...
Happy to see he's feeling well enough to race, my last concussion I don't remember about a 2 week span, all i have are pics. Scary stuff but everyone is different
Me too. I didnt really know what a concussion was until AFTER the symptoms went away and I realized what a fog I was in the previous few weeks.

It's happened twice to me and both times I didnt know what hit me until long after. Very scary stuff. Im fairly confident that we are only touching the tip of the iceberg in what we know about brain trauma and it doesnt really serve certain industries best interest for the layers of the onion to get peeled back on this topic. One day we will look back at this era and wonder how society couldve been so dumb.
Ghost of Jabroni 1/15/2016 9:03pm
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I haven't seen too many people disagreeing with the assertion that Stewart was unconscious. At least, not right now. I think people are sick of hearing...
I haven't seen too many people disagreeing with the assertion that Stewart was unconscious. At least, not right now. I think people are sick of hearing same "he shouldn't be out there, we need to protect him from himself" crap time after time.

EddieC posts on this board. I'd love to know his thoughts on the situation.
What more can Eddie say that he already hasnt. And anyone that has seen Eddie at work knows he does care about the riders safety. As I said, I feel the doctors in this situation are put in an impossible situation.

His company is doing the best they can with the budget they got. And quite frankly, as one person on this forum put it, we are in the MS-DOS era of understanding brain trauma. I dont know 4thGear's overzealous motives but on face value it would seem he just wants to see the sport err on the side of extreme caution. My bet is that I think in about 25 years society will look back and wish we had.
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kaptkaos 1/15/2016 9:05pm
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I have mixed feelings about this. I am happy he is doing better and feels good enough to race, and I am happy as hell to watch him race, but I dont want him to do any permanent damage to himself in the event he should fall again.

In the end, everyone is accountable to themselves and James gotta do what James gotta do....I hope he is being true to himself and racing for the right reasons.
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jstein639 1/15/2016 9:09pm
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While I'm glad to see Stewart racing I hope he backs it down a notch and tries to remain off the ground. One week is a short turnaround for a concussion.

Edit: Didn't see the post above mirroring what I just said.
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BobbyM 1/15/2016 9:37pm
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seph wrote:
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway....... Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that...
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway.......

Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that think he should be racing this weekend.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that if I was in James Stewart's position regardless of whether I was six, 16, 26, 36, or 46 my mom and my dad would be out there at the first practice and grab the front of my helmet and refused to let go.

Mr. and Mrs. Stewart you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your son was knocked out cold six days ago and if you don't do everything in your power to keep him for racing this weekend it's a travesty.
Get stuffed you simp.. Dirtbikers aren't known for their smarts. For most racers the future is NOW.
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kiwifan 1/15/2016 9:40pm
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Sick of what? His assumption that Bubba was knocked out for a couple minutes? Turns out he was right. What's the problem? As I said, I...
Sick of what? His assumption that Bubba was knocked out for a couple minutes? Turns out he was right. What's the problem?

As I said, I dont know 4thGear's backstory. So feel free to fill me in. All Ive seen are his posts in the 2 threads Ive read where he's been involved in the discussion. Nothing he said seemed crazy to me but Im only going off of what I read on this topic of concussions, not any past issues the mob has had with him.
You clearly missed my point by a wide margin....

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bvm111 1/15/2016 9:44pm
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pamoto wrote:
Dr. Rosen Penis ahahaha
Was hoping someone would get it.... Tongue

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Mit12 1/15/2016 9:48pm
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4thGearPinned wrote:
How easily we forget this, http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/motor/story/2012-03-18/James-Stewart-exits-Supercross-race-with-injury/53612354/1 Do you think the test in place, which checks for cognitive brain function at the most basic levels is really...
How easily we forget this,

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/motor/story/2012-03-18/James-Stew…

Do you think the test in place, which checks for cognitive brain function at the most basic levels is really in place to protect riders at a high enough degree? Allowing people back into competition and the opportunity to sustain secondary impact 7 days after the first one?

K.

James will do whatever he can do and say to get out there when He wants to be. The test in place is not doing ithe job of protecting the riders ( from themselves. ) and allowing the soft tissue enough time to fully heal. How long does it take a bruise to heal? how long does it take for a bruise on your brain to heal? A: Not the same time or rate.
zehn wrote:
I love how you continually assume to know the exact nature and extent of his injuries
4thGearPinned wrote:
you don't take a nap for no reason. you don't sustain no magical damage like you're assuming. you don't heal in 6 days. let me sound...
you don't take a nap for no reason. you don't sustain no magical damage like you're assuming. you don't heal in 6 days.


let me sound like you idiots.


" I hope james goes out there with the chance to crash and winds up a potato because it doesn't matter yay I get to see js7 go fasttttt "
You have it all wrong. Stewart has been on the side lines for a year and 1/2 he was not knocked out he took the opertunity to take a short nap as he was tired from all the racing during the night. The Astrix medical crew were confused when they saw Stewart taking a nap and through a red flag. It was all a big mistake. James went along with Astrix medical crew to save them from embarrassment caused by their mistake.
James is a stand up guy.

Bring on Round 2!
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EddieC 1/16/2016 12:21am
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look out below wrote:
"OMG he was knocked out cold for 3 whole minutes! He couldn't possibly pass the concussion protocol!"
Juss wrote:
Where do you guys get this 3 minutes???
4thGearPinned wrote:
passing the protocol is a moot point. the protocol being strong enough to not allow riders the opportunity for a second trauma within a week is...
passing the protocol is a moot point.

the protocol being strong enough to not allow riders the opportunity for a second trauma within a week is the issue. that's what I'm arguing for. there's no mandated cool down period after a head trauma of any degree, like most other sports. like any sport that's throwing away reckless championship and points chases for the personal well being of the athletes.
Can you share with us a protocol from another professional sport that has a mandatory "Cool Down" period of longer then 7 days. I am really interested in this minimum 7 days. Would be 14 days if this would have happened to Seely maybe 3 days if it where Tomac. That's it your racing number dictates rest minimum rest days. Hope K-Roc doesn't go down.
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brlatm 1/16/2016 12:41am
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Can you share with us a protocol from another professional sport that has a mandatory "Cool Down" period of longer then 7 days. I am really...
Can you share with us a protocol from another professional sport that has a mandatory "Cool Down" period of longer then 7 days. I am really interested in this minimum 7 days. Would be 14 days if this would have happened to Seely maybe 3 days if it where Tomac. That's it your racing number dictates rest minimum rest days. Hope K-Roc doesn't go down.
Well Mike Alessi would be screwed in that meatballs scenario.

You don't have to justify yourself and your decisions to any of the idiots on this board. If they don't like it, go pound sand and get another participation award.
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This is right where this thread should have ended. Great post Scottie!
sgrimmxdad 1/16/2016 1:51am
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seph wrote:
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway....... Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that...
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway.......

Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that think he should be racing this weekend.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that if I was in James Stewart's position regardless of whether I was six, 16, 26, 36, or 46 my mom and my dad would be out there at the first practice and grab the front of my helmet and refused to let go.

Mr. and Mrs. Stewart you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your son was knocked out cold six days ago and if you don't do everything in your power to keep him for racing this weekend it's a travesty.
I'm with you. I just really hope he doesn't hurt himself or anyone else. Good luck JS7!
fullfloater 1/16/2016 2:17am
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SD is going to be good! Would not be the same without Stew. Just qualify and finish bro!

Oh and I say 4thGearPinned is a finance guy at the hospital.
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Olson 1/16/2016 2:20am
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I'm glad he's back in! 4thgear just pisses me off.
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sende 1/16/2016 2:44am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
no that's what I saw. no movement for 2 and a bit.
lostboy819 wrote:
In the other thread you claimed to work in or related to head trauma in some form but when Eddie C asked about your background the...
In the other thread you claimed to work in or related to head trauma in some form but when Eddie C asked about your background the field you disappeared from the thread. So now is your chance to fill us all in.
4thGearPinned wrote:
I had work. I work in a hospital. I'm not a doctor. And I'm not a floor scrubber. that's all you get to know.
Ooops... Grinning
You can't stop embarrassing yourself, can you 4thGearPinned?
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Sully22 1/16/2016 3:35am
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I just watched the Stewart / Dungey collision again and timed everything. It takes about 5 seconds for asterisk guy to get to James from the time he hits the deck. At about 1 min 9 seconds it looks like James is moving / sitting up but I can't tell because of the poor camera angle from way up high, but at 1 min 50 seconds he's for sure sitting up and the asterisk guys are communicating with Him. this 3 min nap stuff is nonsense, even 2 min isnt correct. At 5 min 20 seconds he's sitting on the back of a mule giving fans in the crowd the "thumbs up" sign.
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philG 1/16/2016 3:36am
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peelout wrote:
Happy to see he's feeling well enough to race, my last concussion I don't remember about a 2 week span, all i have are pics. Scary...
Happy to see he's feeling well enough to race, my last concussion I don't remember about a 2 week span, all i have are pics. Scary stuff but everyone is different
They are , but the standard should be set by the weakest not the strongest.

We can have 2 scenario's ..

JS is out cold for 2 mins or so( we are told) because he has a low threshold to getting knocked out.. so surely he needs to be benched to allow recovery , but more importantly , to minimise the risk of a repeat injury , which all doctors agree is the biggest issue .


OR

JS is an animal , who has a high resistance , but was still out cold for 2 mins.. all of the other things above apply.

Its not about passing a test . Its about allowing recovery, while limiting the chances of re-injury.

Of course 17 races in 18 weeks doesnt sit well with benching riders.


Here are the UK rules.
http://www.acu.org.uk/news/2015/05/concussion-sustained-at-acu-events/


Customer Service 1/16/2016 4:23am
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After sifting through these couple threads, my opinion is this. James is a grown ass man, if he wants to risks permanent brain damage that's his choice. I'm not downplaying head trauma, hell I won't even let my kids play football for that very reason. With that said, go JS7!
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Juss 1/16/2016 4:47am
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seph wrote:
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway....... Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that...
I am a little reticent to post this but here goes anyway.......

Sad for the sport. Sad for James Stewart. Sad for all the people that think he should be racing this weekend.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that if I was in James Stewart's position regardless of whether I was six, 16, 26, 36, or 46 my mom and my dad would be out there at the first practice and grab the front of my helmet and refused to let go.

Mr. and Mrs. Stewart you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your son was knocked out cold six days ago and if you don't do everything in your power to keep him for racing this weekend it's a travesty.
The guy is 30 not 12!

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