who do you think will surprise in 2016?

UpTiTe 12/5/2015 3:23pm
12/5/2015 3:23pm
diz330 wrote:
I don't know how some of you guys are putting Brayton ahead of Seely, I see brayton around his usual 6-10 (as well as some 15-20...
I don't know how some of you guys are putting Brayton ahead of Seely, I see brayton around his usual 6-10 (as well as some 15-20 place finishes)
Cole was looking great last year.
Did you not get the point of the thread?
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kiwifan 12/5/2015 3:38pm
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Biggest surprise will be Canard winning the SX title :-)
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philG 12/5/2015 3:50pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I don't know if it counts, but I think seely is gonna run up towards the front.
Excaliburbmx wrote:
Me too.
'Factory guy wins race' isnt a surprise... but yeah i hope Seely delivers whats expected.

I dont see anyone doing a 'Peick' this year , but i am going to say that a fit Broc Tickle will podium more than once.

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dirtnapper 12/5/2015 3:53pm
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StartedTooLate wrote:
WP will continue to improve...perhaps getting a podium. Tomac will not crash out, and ends up with 5+ wins, but still can not take the title...
WP will continue to improve...perhaps getting a podium.
Tomac will not crash out, and ends up with 5+ wins, but still can not take the title over RD
The only way Barcia wins is with a holeshot. He can not come from behind because the only way he can pass is by stuffing people, which is risky and costs you time.
Stew....who the F knows. I would not be surprised if he won 5 races. I would not be surprised if he pulls out by round 3.
Reed...similar to Stew. I would not be surprised if we won some...I would not be surprised if he was a non-factor and retired at seasons end.
I dont see Marvin having a huge impact. Wilbur beat him for the title a few years back. How has Wil done in the 450s...? 450s are tough. Pretty much everyone has a 250 championship under their belt.
I will be surpirsed if Trey makes it all the way though the season without some spectacular get offs.
Nick Wey
Justin Brayton
Blake Baggett
Cole Seely
Christian Craig
Josh Hill
Tommy Hahn
Josh Grant
Dean Wilson
Kyle Chisholm
Mike Alessi
Matt Goreke
Westin Peick
Jimmy Albertson
Vince Friese

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Oh yeah......pretty much everyone has a 250 Championship................Pinch Dumbest thing I've read for a while......
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Pirate421 12/5/2015 4:27pm
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I'd be pretty surprised if AC completes the season without some form of injury playing a part in his results.
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Firefly47 12/5/2015 4:36pm
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Biggest surprise?
Biggest surprise would be some of you idiots passing a drug test after reading some of your posts.
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40Plus_922mx 12/5/2015 4:38pm
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
Tomac, Tomac, and Tomac.
Look out. If this kid stays on two wheels he will be THE guy to beat.
Stamp it foo.
Motofinne wrote:
Would that be a surprise?
The "if he stays on two wheels" part i guess?
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kong0036 12/5/2015 5:23pm
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Masquin.....
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Yamaha573 12/5/2015 8:48pm
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dirtnapper wrote:
Nick Wey Justin Brayton Blake Baggett Cole Seely Christian Craig Josh Hill Tommy Hahn Josh Grant Dean Wilson Kyle Chisholm Mike Alessi Matt Goreke Westin Peick...
Nick Wey
Justin Brayton
Blake Baggett
Cole Seely
Christian Craig
Josh Hill
Tommy Hahn
Josh Grant
Dean Wilson
Kyle Chisholm
Mike Alessi
Matt Goreke
Westin Peick
Jimmy Albertson
Vince Friese

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Oh yeah......pretty much everyone has a 250 Championship................Pinch Dumbest thing I've read for a while......
Baggett and Wilson both have titles in the 250 class.

And Craig is racing the 250 class, not 450.
Crisp BRAAAP! 12/5/2015 9:01pm
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pourcel will win more than 3 races . millshaps will win at least 2 tickle win get a few poduims everyone will remember tomac is nt...
pourcel will win more than 3 races .
millshaps will win at least 2
tickle win get a few poduims
everyone will remember tomac is nt half as good indoors as he is outdoors.people think he is going to do a hangtown on everyone . it wont happen ! .but he will win races
Ummmm...No.

No.

Pourcel might win 1 but I doubt it.
Millsaps might win 1 but I doubt it.
Tickle could get a podium but I doubt it.
Tomac is really, really good. He might take a year to acclimate because he's been slow to get used to things in the past. But then he's JS7 like with his ridiculous speed, indoors and out. You're nuts.
StartedTooLate 12/5/2015 9:50pm
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StartedTooLate wrote:
WP will continue to improve...perhaps getting a podium. Tomac will not crash out, and ends up with 5+ wins, but still can not take the title...
WP will continue to improve...perhaps getting a podium.
Tomac will not crash out, and ends up with 5+ wins, but still can not take the title over RD
The only way Barcia wins is with a holeshot. He can not come from behind because the only way he can pass is by stuffing people, which is risky and costs you time.
Stew....who the F knows. I would not be surprised if he won 5 races. I would not be surprised if he pulls out by round 3.
Reed...similar to Stew. I would not be surprised if we won some...I would not be surprised if he was a non-factor and retired at seasons end.
I dont see Marvin having a huge impact. Wilbur beat him for the title a few years back. How has Wil done in the 450s...? 450s are tough. Pretty much everyone has a 250 championship under their belt.
I will be surpirsed if Trey makes it all the way though the season without some spectacular get offs.
dirtnapper wrote:
Nick Wey Justin Brayton Blake Baggett Cole Seely Christian Craig Josh Hill Tommy Hahn Josh Grant Dean Wilson Kyle Chisholm Mike Alessi Matt Goreke Westin Peick...
Nick Wey
Justin Brayton
Blake Baggett
Cole Seely
Christian Craig
Josh Hill
Tommy Hahn
Josh Grant
Dean Wilson
Kyle Chisholm
Mike Alessi
Matt Goreke
Westin Peick
Jimmy Albertson
Vince Friese

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Oh yeah......pretty much everyone has a 250 Championship................Pinch Dumbest thing I've read for a while......
Pretty much everyone that is a threat for the title has won a 250 championship of some sort...

Lites (250/125) Champions (SX East, SX West, MX) in the 450 class:
1 Dungey
2 Stew
3 Canard
4 Anderson
5 Bogle
6 Musquin
7 KRoc
8 Tomac
9 Barcia
10 Tickle
11 Weimer
12 Pourcel
13 Hahn
14 Reed
15 Wilson
16 Bagget

That is 16 guys with 250 titles. There are how many riders in a Main? This is why the 450 class is damn tough. Of the guys without a title, only Seeley and Brayton are legitimate threats. Seeley was a title contender in the 250s...and Brayton has a lot of AX experience. Maybe WP, but he is a one of a kind story. Hence my comment..."most everyone has a 250 title". That is pretty much the requirement for a decent ride in the 450s. It is the reason Mookie is still on a 250.

If "most guys having 250 titles" is " the dumbest thing" you have read in a while, it is apparent you don't read much.

Many of the guys your list will be lucky to make mains. That will only get tougher when Webb moves up.
StartedTooLate 12/5/2015 10:01pm
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brimx153 wrote:
pourcel will win more than 3 races . millshaps will win at least 2 tickle win get a few poduims everyone will remember tomac is nt...
pourcel will win more than 3 races .
millshaps will win at least 2
tickle win get a few poduims
everyone will remember tomac is nt half as good indoors as he is outdoors.people think he is going to do a hangtown on everyone . it wont happen ! .but he will win races
Crisp BRAAAP! wrote:
Ummmm...No. No. Pourcel might win 1 but I doubt it. Millsaps might win 1 but I doubt it. Tickle could get a podium but I doubt...
Ummmm...No.

No.

Pourcel might win 1 but I doubt it.
Millsaps might win 1 but I doubt it.
Tickle could get a podium but I doubt it.
Tomac is really, really good. He might take a year to acclimate because he's been slow to get used to things in the past. But then he's JS7 like with his ridiculous speed, indoors and out. You're nuts.
This on Tomac. When he was dialed in in SX, his speed was on another level. He does well on micky mouse tracks with shorter straights and lower speeds. He can just OJ and bash stuff, and his physical fitness is too much for other riders to hang with. It aint pretty...but its fast.
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TeamGreen 12/5/2015 10:04pm
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More brands & more different main winners than we've seen in a long, long time...possibly ever.
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Silas444 12/5/2015 10:10pm
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What's crazy to me is that the top 15 is an all-star list of incredibly fast, capable riders that could ALL conceivably podium........ and yet one of the riders on that list of 15 will, indeed, end up in 15th place. The pressure is going to be debilitating for many of those riders.
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bents 12/5/2015 10:36pm
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Canard stays healthy and is a huge threat for the championship. Millsaps might podium but win? Odds are against it. MM and Bagget are the surprises in the class. Tomac is fast but Dungey still wins.

JMart is a title threat
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Sully 12/5/2015 10:46pm
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StartedTooLate wrote:
This on Tomac. When he was dialed in in SX, his speed was on another level. He does well on micky mouse tracks with shorter straights...
This on Tomac. When he was dialed in in SX, his speed was on another level. He does well on micky mouse tracks with shorter straights and lower speeds. He can just OJ and bash stuff, and his physical fitness is too much for other riders to hang with. It aint pretty...but its fast.
"It aint pretty...but its fast."

Are you high? Go back and watch San Diego from last year and tell me that kid wasn't riding on rails. Hell, he wasn't even putting his feet down in the last 180* corner for most of the race.

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StartedTooLate 12/5/2015 11:01pm
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Sully wrote:
[i]"It aint pretty...but its fast."[/i] Are you high? Go back and watch San Diego from last year and tell me that kid wasn't riding on rails...
"It aint pretty...but its fast."

Are you high? Go back and watch San Diego from last year and tell me that kid wasn't riding on rails. Hell, he wasn't even putting his feet down in the last 180* corner for most of the race.
Me: "Tomac is fast, but not pretty"

You: "Are you high...he is fast"

What are you trying to say?...because your comment really makes little sense relative to what I wrote. I have never heard anyone argue that Tomac has a really beautiful style...I have heard many people argue the opposite.

Fiftyfiveracing 12/6/2015 12:17am
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Sully wrote:
[i]"It aint pretty...but its fast."[/i] Are you high? Go back and watch San Diego from last year and tell me that kid wasn't riding on rails...
"It aint pretty...but its fast."

Are you high? Go back and watch San Diego from last year and tell me that kid wasn't riding on rails. Hell, he wasn't even putting his feet down in the last 180* corner for most of the race.
StartedTooLate wrote:
Me: "Tomac is fast, but not pretty" You: "Are you high...he is fast" What are you trying to say?...because your comment really makes little sense relative...
Me: "Tomac is fast, but not pretty"

You: "Are you high...he is fast"

What are you trying to say?...because your comment really makes little sense relative to what I wrote. I have never heard anyone argue that Tomac has a really beautiful style...I have heard many people argue the opposite.

IMO Tomac's style in Glen Helen this year was somewhat beautiful.. Also i like his aggression and how he rides on the pegs so much both indoors and out.

I think Baggett will surprise with some consistent top5 with few podiums.
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ktmdan 12/6/2015 12:19am
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Do y'all really think MM won't win a race? Yeah he's a little dude but he was so buttery smooth all last year. It almost looked like he was riding a 450 sometimes. Plus he has Dungey and Decoster on his team...

I know it's not a championship.. but didnt M. Alessi loose a championship to Hanson in a tiebreaker? Or am I misremembering?
dirtworldmx 12/6/2015 1:57am
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The biggest surprise of this season will be Dungey losing his consistency (and the title).
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wreckitrandy 12/6/2015 3:41am
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And Ty Davis beat MC for a title in 1990......
Reefer Sutherland 12/6/2015 4:53am
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seth505 wrote:
Anything can happen but Tomac on this new Kawi that is much more honda-like (nimble) will be a damn good threat.
Even more Honda like than the Honda he was just on?
ButteryWaffles 12/6/2015 4:54am
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Wil Hahn making it through 5+ rounds will be a great "surprise"
Reefer Sutherland 12/6/2015 4:56am
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ktmdan wrote:
Do y'all really think MM won't win a race? Yeah he's a little dude but he was so buttery smooth all last year. It almost looked...
Do y'all really think MM won't win a race? Yeah he's a little dude but he was so buttery smooth all last year. It almost looked like he was riding a 450 sometimes. Plus he has Dungey and Decoster on his team...

I know it's not a championship.. but didnt M. Alessi loose a championship to Hanson in a tiebreaker? Or am I misremembering?
He might have looked that way on TV, but anyone who goes to the races knows that MM runs the absolute dogshit out of a bike. It makes you wonder how they hold together. Don't know if I've ever seen someone run a 250 that hard.
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seth505 12/6/2015 9:54pm
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seth505 wrote:
Anything can happen but Tomac on this new Kawi that is much more honda-like (nimble) will be a damn good threat.
Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Even more Honda like than the Honda he was just on?
I'm thinking better ya, that's just my gut though. I haven't ridden either...
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kiwifan 12/6/2015 10:02pm
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seth505 wrote:
Anything can happen but Tomac on this new Kawi that is much more honda-like (nimble) will be a damn good threat.
Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Even more Honda like than the Honda he was just on?
seth505 wrote:
I'm thinking better ya, that's just my gut though. I haven't ridden either...
I havent ridden a 2016 CRF450 but rode a highly modified one in 2015 and now have a 2016 KXF450, difficult to compare a stock bike to a very high performance modified one but handling wise, flickability, and weight bias the KXF is more 'honda-like/ktm-like' ....in my opinion. I am surprised the magazine shootouts thus far dont seem to like the KXF as much as I thought. I am about to embark on hopping up the KXF now.

In any case you could win on any brand at the end of the day.
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seth505 12/6/2015 10:08pm
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Even more Honda like than the Honda he was just on?
seth505 wrote:
I'm thinking better ya, that's just my gut though. I haven't ridden either...
kiwifan wrote:
I havent ridden a 2016 CRF450 but rode a highly modified one in 2015 and now have a 2016 KXF450, difficult to compare a stock bike...
I havent ridden a 2016 CRF450 but rode a highly modified one in 2015 and now have a 2016 KXF450, difficult to compare a stock bike to a very high performance modified one but handling wise, flickability, and weight bias the KXF is more 'honda-like/ktm-like' ....in my opinion. I am surprised the magazine shootouts thus far dont seem to like the KXF as much as I thought. I am about to embark on hopping up the KXF now.

In any case you could win on any brand at the end of the day.
I was meaning factory bike vs factory bike but ya, good feedback.

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