Canadian 2 stroke rules changes

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JB 19 11/12/2015 12:12pm
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I wonder how many Americans rode 2 strokes in that series. I understand what they are trying to do. Most of the American riders have pretty good support up there. They are trying to help the local Canadian riders.
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JB 19 11/12/2015 12:14pm
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I will admit that it has an aggressive tone to it. lol
aFACEdismembered 11/12/2015 12:15pm
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The bullshit thing about all of this...

If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited. They're building a dead end for the bike in the class with all the addendums. Just nut up and get rid of it and say it was a mistake if you have to have eligibility rules as long as a christmas wish list.
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The Canadian series was gaining momentum with the fans and obviously with some of the competitors. Odd they would want to shit that all down the toilet.

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newmann wrote:
The Canadian series was gaining momentum with the fans and obviously with some of the competitors. Odd they would want to shit that all down the...
The Canadian series was gaining momentum with the fans and obviously with some of the competitors. Odd they would want to shit that all down the toilet.
Not odd at all. Japanese manufacturers went probably crying or demanding this rule. I would guess that Honda was the first of the Japanese manufacturers to push this rule.

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newmann wrote:
The Canadian series was gaining momentum with the fans and obviously with some of the competitors. Odd they would want to shit that all down the...
The Canadian series was gaining momentum with the fans and obviously with some of the competitors. Odd they would want to shit that all down the toilet.
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Not odd at all. Japanese manufacturers went probably crying or demanding this rule. I would guess that Honda was the first of the Japanese manufacturers to...
Not odd at all. Japanese manufacturers went probably crying or demanding this rule. I would guess that Honda was the first of the Japanese manufacturers to push this rule.

Bet my left testie on it! Angry
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Jeff alessi 11/12/2015 12:35pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The bullshit thing about all of this... If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited...
The bullshit thing about all of this...

If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited. They're building a dead end for the bike in the class with all the addendums. Just nut up and get rid of it and say it was a mistake if you have to have eligibility rules as long as a christmas wish list.
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
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TJ 755 11/12/2015 12:36pm
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Canadians are such arrogant nationalist bastards.
All this does is hurt a bunch of financially challenged NW privateers who like to race up there to get speed and experience and are in no way title contenders and cant even hit every race.

The next step will be CAN citizens only. period.
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke...
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
Jeff, didn't Kaven switch bikes the year before last depending on the track? I thought there were a few tracks with firmer dirt where he decided to ride the 4 stroke two years ago.
But your right.... depending on the soil, depends on whether the 2 stroke is at an advantage or a disadvantage.
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seth505 11/12/2015 12:49pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The bullshit thing about all of this... If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited...
The bullshit thing about all of this...

If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited. They're building a dead end for the bike in the class with all the addendums. Just nut up and get rid of it and say it was a mistake if you have to have eligibility rules as long as a christmas wish list.
Jeff alessi wrote:
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke...
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
what would you race up there if you only had the choice of

-stock 2-stroke
-motoconcepts fully prepped 250f

??
dazzlindino 11/12/2015 1:01pm
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seth505 wrote:
what would you race up there if you only had the choice of

-stock 2-stroke
-motoconcepts fully prepped 250f

??
...a Monark 100....
aFACEdismembered 11/12/2015 1:04pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The bullshit thing about all of this... If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited...
The bullshit thing about all of this...

If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited. They're building a dead end for the bike in the class with all the addendums. Just nut up and get rid of it and say it was a mistake if you have to have eligibility rules as long as a christmas wish list.
Jeff alessi wrote:
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke...
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
IF

We'll see how he does all season on one. It will either not matter much at all or CMRC will look like a bunch of Doomsday preppers.
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yak651 11/12/2015 1:21pm
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke...
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
What, didn't he win the title the prior year riding the two stroke AND four stroke. Think you may need some laser surgery on your own eyes that saw that...
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FI2T 11/12/2015 1:31pm
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So maybe the Canadian's riding on US soil should have bikes hand picked for them. To bad on this whole deal. I honestly never paid attention to CRMC before they allowed 2strokes to play..... the whole let them play unless they win idea is fucked! Back to not giving two shit's about CRMC for me.
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SwapperMX 11/12/2015 1:44pm
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So basically it boils down to .... you are not allowed to win on a two stroke. Good to know !!
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The 2t vs 4t thing is, every track will have places that each have an advantage. It should even itself out. There have been tests on various tracks with a wide range of rider skills, that bear this out. The fastest rider runs the fastest lap times. And what if an up and coming unsponsored rider from the US wants to race his 2t on his own dime? Oh, he's screwed, stay home, we don't want you here in Canada. What if we did this to Canadian riders? Crazy!
TriRacer27 11/12/2015 2:19pm
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That's just Canada for you. You should try being a Canadian company looking anywhere outside of Canada for talent. Holy crap do they have to jump through hoops and walls of fire just to hire consultants for 1 week, not even full time employees.

Protectionism. If I can't win, I'm not going to let you play with my ball anymore. It's the Canadian way. Although we are quickly adopting it as well.
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Gringoe 11/12/2015 2:25pm
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Can only ride one if you're Canadian.... Are they fucking serious?

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Adam43 11/12/2015 2:41pm
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Just lie and show up with some phony documents, it's not like the CMRC is staffed with a bunch of super-sleuths with passport scanners.
TriRacer27 11/12/2015 2:43pm
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Wonder how they would've felt if the AMA had forced JSR to race a different bike just because he was Canadian. I'm sure that would've gone over well with the Canadian fans.
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kijen 11/12/2015 2:52pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The bullshit thing about all of this... If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited...
The bullshit thing about all of this...

If Benoit is now more dominant on a 4 stroke none of the 2 stroke rules will be revisited. They're building a dead end for the bike in the class with all the addendums. Just nut up and get rid of it and say it was a mistake if you have to have eligibility rules as long as a christmas wish list.
Jeff alessi wrote:
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke...
Benoit was only competitive for the title on the 2 stroke, I watched it with my own eyes at dechaumbault. When he rode the 4 stroke he was still a top 5 guy but he didn't come around on lap 1 with a 12 second lead like he did in both motos and then almost every other race after that when he was on the two stroke. Allowing that rule to stick is pure cheating. Two strokes are great but if u want to allow a rule up there to be equivalent it should be 200cc two strokes against 250 fourstrokes. There's to much sand for this to be fair, sorry. Now in America I can see a stock 250 being competitive with Canada's 2015 rules because the tracks are harder pack and smoother and the weather is more consistent. But in Canada im sorry the tracks have big sand bumps and huge hills where the 2 stroke picks up out of the corner eay better then the 4strokes
Oh, but it was ok for 250 4 strokes to race against the 125's. What happened with all the pro's saying 2 strokes were to hard to ride for the long motos. Face it the 2 stroke rules are changed to benifet a few of the manufactures. Most things done for the sake of politics, weather government or in this case MX, is usually stupid.
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roninho 11/12/2015 2:53pm
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Gringoe wrote:
Can only ride one if you're Canadian.... Are they fucking serious?
Yeah unbelieveable.

just put a restriction that top 5 in Canada and top X in AMA or GP cannot ride 2 stroke if you want to protect amateurs
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roninho 11/12/2015 2:57pm
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Oh, but it was ok for 250 4 strokes to race against the 125's. What happened with all the pro's saying 2 strokes were to hard...
Oh, but it was ok for 250 4 strokes to race against the 125's. What happened with all the pro's saying 2 strokes were to hard to ride for the long motos. Face it the 2 stroke rules are changed to benifet a few of the manufactures. Most things done for the sake of politics, weather government or in this case MX, is usually stupid.
Agreed. 250 vs 125 is ok and 250 vs 250 isnt. Makes no sense.
charley586 11/12/2015 3:03pm
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That's just Canada for you. You should try being a Canadian company looking anywhere outside of Canada for talent. Holy crap do they have to jump...
That's just Canada for you. You should try being a Canadian company looking anywhere outside of Canada for talent. Holy crap do they have to jump through hoops and walls of fire just to hire consultants for 1 week, not even full time employees.

Protectionism. If I can't win, I'm not going to let you play with my ball anymore. It's the Canadian way. Although we are quickly adopting it as well.
It's the same thing the other way believe me. Simply going to the states for training can be a pain in the a** let forget working on the other side of the fence.

I'm part of a provincial race serie in Quebec and we have a 2-stroke open class. This year it was full gate. Let just say that nobody agree on the ''Benoit rule''. Too bad Honda, kawasaki and Suzuki decide to not listen to the customer market. The AF market will only continue to grow.
Reefer Sutherland 11/12/2015 3:14pm
11/12/2015 3:14pm Edited Date/Time 11/12/2015 3:15pm
Must be a vegetarian. Must be Caucasian. Must run Pump gas. Cannot be an Aquarius or Libra. Let's just go all the way with the dumb shit. This sport is such a joke on the pro level. Sorry.
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mx836 11/12/2015 3:20pm
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All of you ranting and raving about only Canadians being able to ride a two stroke, did you consider they made that rule because there's no way for them to govern people who show up for one off races from other countries, who could potentially already be at an advantage?
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jeffro503 11/12/2015 3:30pm
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I am still in shock that the rule " Only Canadian's are allowed to ride 2 strokes "....WTF? Blink Blink Dizzy Dizzy

This rule was read probably by many people , and nobody saw an issue with it? How could that possibly be? I really don't understand.
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jeffro503 11/12/2015 3:32pm
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mx836 wrote:
All of you ranting and raving about only Canadians being able to ride a two stroke, did you consider they made that rule because there's no...
All of you ranting and raving about only Canadians being able to ride a two stroke, did you consider they made that rule because there's no way for them to govern people who show up for one off races from other countries, who could potentially already be at an advantage?
That's what tech inspection is for. You go out and blow the doors off everyone down the straits , it's probably a guarantee that your bike would get torn down.
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d394 11/12/2015 3:34pm
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So I can't run my 250sx at gopher dunes , but a canadian rider of equal skill can ride one ? That is a Joke! MERICA
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Cashmore 11/12/2015 3:35pm
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What a JOKE

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