Is going from a Yz250f to yz250 smart idea?

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7/2/2015 9:09am
h&m_cycle wrote:
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 [b]in the First Moto,1 of the first of day...[/b] 250 prosport (4 stroke) [b]Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his...
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 in the First Moto,1 of the first of day... 250 prosport (4 stroke)

Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his best lap in moto 2 of 250 prosport on a 4 stroke

THE FMF 2 STROKE Race Was (2) Motos BEFORE THE FINAL (250) four stroke moto...

So lets see here, within one hour both the 250 prosport second moto & The FMF 2stroke race took place

Surratt Moto Two Prosport 250 class Yamaha 250f best laptime 2:15:314

Surratt Two Stroke Race Yamaha YZ250 best laptime 2:13:378

So yeah, the 2 stroke seemed to be faster by 2 seconds a lap when raced within a hour of each other
(similar track conditions)...
what were the super mini lap time compared to the prosport and or 2 stroke race
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7/2/2015 9:17am
derek drake #33 clocked a 2:13779 in super mini day two 2 moto ....jesus that effing fast for a mini
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7/2/2015 9:29am
mxer512 wrote:
what were the super mini lap time compared to the prosport and or 2 stroke race
Super Mini's raced on the 24th, times above for big bikes from the 27th.






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mb wrote:
I think it would be a good move. The new YZ250's have boat loads of torque and don't "hit" as hard as the older bikes. Perfect...
I think it would be a good move. The new YZ250's have boat loads of torque and don't "hit" as hard as the older bikes. Perfect for someone coming off of a 4t.
For sure, most riders run a heavier flywheel weight to help with the hit, myself included.

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7/2/2015 9:34am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2015 9:35am
h&m_cycle wrote:
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 [b]in the First Moto,1 of the first of day...[/b] 250 prosport (4 stroke) [b]Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his...
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 in the First Moto,1 of the first of day... 250 prosport (4 stroke)

Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his best lap in moto 2 of 250 prosport on a 4 stroke

THE FMF 2 STROKE Race Was (2) Motos BEFORE THE FINAL (250) four stroke moto...

So lets see here, within one hour both the 250 prosport second moto & The FMF 2stroke race took place

Surratt Moto Two Prosport 250 class Yamaha 250f best laptime 2:15:314

Surratt Two Stroke Race Yamaha YZ250 best laptime 2:13:378

So yeah, the 2 stroke seemed to be faster by 2 seconds a lap when raced within a hour of each other
(similar track conditions)...
You think you've hit a home run with this post and youre out there trotting around the bases hoping there is a line of two stroke nut jobs waiting to bump chests and slap you on the fanny when you cross home plate. Big deal that he was 2 seconds slower on a rougher track 1 hour after he raced his 2 stroke. Probably still tired from the 2 stroke race. Fastest lap was on a 4 stroke by nearly 3 seconds.
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h&m_cycle wrote:
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 [b]in the First Moto,1 of the first of day...[/b] 250 prosport (4 stroke) [b]Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his...
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 in the First Moto,1 of the first of day... 250 prosport (4 stroke)

Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his best lap in moto 2 of 250 prosport on a 4 stroke

THE FMF 2 STROKE Race Was (2) Motos BEFORE THE FINAL (250) four stroke moto...

So lets see here, within one hour both the 250 prosport second moto & The FMF 2stroke race took place

Surratt Moto Two Prosport 250 class Yamaha 250f best laptime 2:15:314

Surratt Two Stroke Race Yamaha YZ250 best laptime 2:13:378

So yeah, the 2 stroke seemed to be faster by 2 seconds a lap when raced within a hour of each other
(similar track conditions)...
allenb27 wrote:
You think you've hit a home run with this post and youre out there trotting around the bases hoping there is a line of two stroke...
You think you've hit a home run with this post and youre out there trotting around the bases hoping there is a line of two stroke nut jobs waiting to bump chests and slap you on the fanny when you cross home plate. Big deal that he was 2 seconds slower on a rougher track 1 hour after he raced his 2 stroke. Probably still tired from the 2 stroke race. Fastest lap was on a 4 stroke by nearly 3 seconds.
Shouldn't you be out in the garage adjusting your valves?
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7/2/2015 10:27am
here we go....... I was wondering how long it would take to go the "2stroke Vs 4stroke " debate/argument .....AGAIN!!!!
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7/2/2015 10:50am
Wrong. Iceman said check the laptimes out not provide the forum with a biased interpretation. I love how all you two stroke fans use the same passive aggressive posting style. You forgot the whistling emoticon, bro.
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7/2/2015 11:11am
h&m_cycle wrote:
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 [b]in the First Moto,1 of the first of day...[/b] 250 prosport (4 stroke) [b]Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his...
yes, lets do that, Surratt turned a 2:10:095 in the First Moto,1 of the first of day... 250 prosport (4 stroke)

Surratt turned a 2:15:314, his best lap in moto 2 of 250 prosport on a 4 stroke

THE FMF 2 STROKE Race Was (2) Motos BEFORE THE FINAL (250) four stroke moto...

So lets see here, within one hour both the 250 prosport second moto & The FMF 2stroke race took place

Surratt Moto Two Prosport 250 class Yamaha 250f best laptime 2:15:314

Surratt Two Stroke Race Yamaha YZ250 best laptime 2:13:378

So yeah, the 2 stroke seemed to be faster by 2 seconds a lap when raced within a hour of each other
(similar track conditions)...
allenb27 wrote:
You think you've hit a home run with this post and youre out there trotting around the bases hoping there is a line of two stroke...
You think you've hit a home run with this post and youre out there trotting around the bases hoping there is a line of two stroke nut jobs waiting to bump chests and slap you on the fanny when you cross home plate. Big deal that he was 2 seconds slower on a rougher track 1 hour after he raced his 2 stroke. Probably still tired from the 2 stroke race. Fastest lap was on a 4 stroke by nearly 3 seconds.
No, with in the same hour, both the 2 stroke race & the second moto took place... somebody asked for times...

An up & coming rider with talent, coming off of superminis & 125 school boy should be faster on the YZ250

The average Joe with little or no experience would probably be safer & happier on the YZ250f... I'm not paying for
either...
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7/2/2015 11:16am
What's the point of switching? If you are only a C rider obviously you're still learning. Stay with the 4 stroke because it's easier to ride and more forgiving of mistakes. Unless you beat the fuck out of your bike and are worried about grenading it and the $$$$ it costs to rebuild a 4 stroke then stick with what you're used to.
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Lap times are not biased but his interpretations of them are. I think it is significant that he raced the 250 an hour before the 250f. I think it is significant that he started in second on his 250 and chased a 500 for seven laps before he got his 250f and started 9th. I love two strokes but I loathe guys like you.
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7/2/2015 12:35pm
allenb27 wrote:
Lap times are not biased but his interpretations of them are. I think it is significant that he raced the 250 an hour before the 250f...
Lap times are not biased but his interpretations of them are. I think it is significant that he raced the 250 an hour before the 250f. I think it is significant that he started in second on his 250 and chased a 500 for seven laps before he got his 250f and started 9th. I love two strokes but I loathe guys like you.
Yikes, just a handful of posts in this joint and you jump into the deep end of the pool?
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OW38B wrote:
Yikes, just a handful of posts in this joint and you jump into the deep end of the pool?
Laughing He kind of started out angry that way just like the hoagie man. Speaking of, who started this thread to begin with? Join date...post count....one day post hoagie melt down. First post nailed it by the way. hvaughn be pretty sharp
7/2/2015 1:41pm
No, it's not a smart idea.

It's played out, this whole "I'm going 2 stroke" thing.

Everyone knows all the pro's ride 4 strokes.

Honda, Suzuki, and Kawasaki think 2 strokes are so lame they don't even make them.

KTM isn't really selling all those bikes, it's just a conspiracy.

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7/2/2015 1:48pm
I'd do it; but, I'd run the Purple Powerband from the 1994 model
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allenb27 wrote:
Wrong. Iceman said check the laptimes out not provide the forum with a biased interpretation. I love how all you two stroke fans use the same...
Wrong. Iceman said check the laptimes out not provide the forum with a biased interpretation. I love how all you two stroke fans use the same passive aggressive posting style. You forgot the whistling emoticon, bro.
What about those of us who are fans of both?
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going to a smoker from a stroker is always a great idea.

unless you're in the Baja. i recommend a stroker for Baja.
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7/2/2015 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2015 2:26pm
Can't we just blame Obama? We need more divisiveness here.
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moore433 wrote:
Check with the tracks you ride at and the rules of any series you plan on racing, because not all places will let a 250 2...
Check with the tracks you ride at and the rules of any series you plan on racing, because not all places will let a 250 2 stroke race with the 250f class. You may have to race the 450 class at some places...
Wait..........................did you just say you can't race a 250 against another 250????????????
What the F^ck?
Are promoters, AMA, manufacturer's changing rules until something is unfair, but fits what they want???
Well those chickenshits.
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If you like antiques, ride a two-stroke
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moore433 wrote:
Check with the tracks you ride at and the rules of any series you plan on racing, because not all places will let a 250 2...
Check with the tracks you ride at and the rules of any series you plan on racing, because not all places will let a 250 2 stroke race with the 250f class. You may have to race the 450 class at some places...
kawasa84 wrote:
Wait..........................did you just say you can't race a 250 against another 250???????????? What the F^ck? Are promoters, AMA, manufacturer's changing rules until something is unfair, but...
Wait..........................did you just say you can't race a 250 against another 250????????????
What the F^ck?
Are promoters, AMA, manufacturer's changing rules until something is unfair, but fits what they want???
Well those chickenshits.
Yes, you can't, it would be "unfair".

It's so funny when I read that I have to write it again.

Yes, you can't, it would be "unfair".



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No. I did it. Biggest waste of time and money ever. Keep the 250f and thank me later.
Tom_Ryan wrote:
Why do you say that
Jake is little faster on a 250F, gets way better starts on the 250 2 stroke. But we can't change out bikes every 6 months like his buddies can. We race what we can afford and is practical. He knows at the level he rides the cost of rebuilding the 4 stroke would take away going to a half dozen races around here.

Side note why not get a 450 less stress on the motor for better longevity. At 17 he thought he'd pull a fast one on his Dad and go out and buy a 30hr 2014 KX450 on his own. Well the kid learned a life lesson with his own money, know anybody looking for a 2014 KX450F with 33 hours. (3hrs) is all it took to realize he made a mistake and is now trying to sell it. He said the 250 2 stroke is way more fun to ride and has plenty of power.

$4800 will take the 450.
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I went from a yz250f to a yz250 in 2013 (since then I have gone back to another 250f) but I really enjoyed the 2 stroke. At first I wasn't that happy but once I got used to it, it brought so much more enjoyment and fun back to it. I say go for it man, it'll make you faster because it'll teach you to keep your momentum up
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I never owned a 250f but when my brother had a 2011 kx250f I had an rm 250. I grew up racing 85's and 125's then took 10 years off and then got back into riding on the rm 250 so when I rode both bikes back to back I was still finding my feet again. The 250f is so much easier to ride, almost like a 125 in that you can just kind of hold it open and not worry about the back stepping out or it throwing you off. The rm on the other hand had to be given respect. I did also ride a yz 250 and my rm back to back and the yz had a smoother power band and hooked up a bit better. It was less twitchy
From the rm I went to a 2012 ktm 250sx. Compared to the rm the ktm was very 4 stroke like. The motor had more power but it was smoother and the chassis tracked better out of corners.
The biggest thing I found with the two strokes was that with a good launch off the gate a holeshot was nearly guaranteed, the ktm would even stick it to stock 450's some times, and a bad launch off the line would still see me in the top few bikes into the first corner. From there my fitness and skill level meant that I worked my way back through the field but it ment riders had to pass me, not the other way round
I don't think you will go wrong getting on the yz. Just add a fly wheel weight and you will have a smoother power delivery with out losing any power plus all the other advantages that go with owning and riding a two stroke
7/3/2015 3:08am
I rode a 15 yz250f worth fmf pipe and silencer. I sucked big time the vibration have me arm pump in 3 laps. Yeah it was fast but i had a hard time keeping it straight , especially in the hard pack. In a c grade rider and I'm going to stick to my 15 yz250f.
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I rode a 15 yz250f worth fmf pipe and silencer. I sucked big time the vibration have me arm pump in 3 laps. Yeah it was...
I rode a 15 yz250f worth fmf pipe and silencer. I sucked big time the vibration have me arm pump in 3 laps. Yeah it was fast but i had a hard time keeping it straight , especially in the hard pack. In a c grade rider and I'm going to stick to my 15 yz250f.
Drop a "F" mate.
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You know, I ride for fun now days and work on my own bikes, so I run 2 strokes. I don't care about lap times or consistent laps. I just want a smile. I love the sound of a 2 stroke, and I hate how loud 4 strokes are.
I have a little DR125 and the valves have to be set at .005", it takes special feeler gauges, and I just can't get the valve tick out of the engine. I look at that motor and wouldn't want to even think of tearing it down. And this is coming from a guy who has been into many Ford's, Chevy's, and various heavy diesels.
You know what they say, "to each his own"
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30 years of experience and one sure thing: I love 2 strokes...but I ride 4 strokes.
2 strokes are the engine of the future (and the past), the facts are that those close minded Japanese (only Yamaha is saved) are too proud or too greedy to go back and re-elaborate the thing.
2 strokes is pure fun!!!! and with the half of displacement can go as fast as a double powered 4 strokes. Less part moving in the engine means also they are cheaper!

Your move is a right move if:
- you ride often and are in quite a good shape
- you know all the time what are you doing
- you don't suffer from arm pump and the following whisky throttle when tired.

I always had 2 stokes, only once in my "career" I had a yzf in 2003..I used that bike for one full year ... then I broke the engine and spent a lot of hard earned money.
The following weekend I mended my old Rm 125 '99, that was parked for the last 3 years...well...I don't remember when I had so much fun as I did the weekend that i rode that!!!!
I was really smiling and laughing under the helmet while keeping that bitch wide open in a sandy track....maybe I was slower but I felt tha fastest rider in the world! (I was a 32 years experienced rider at that time!).
Then I bought an RM 250, I was trained (riding twice a week) and was never thinking about going back...

Now at 43 I ride 4 strokes for these reasons:
- i ride once/twice a month when the weather is good
- i don't ride in winter ,,,too cold
- I don't ride in summer...too hot
- I don't want to risk anything....
- I love that fantastic engine braking of 4 strokes that save me many times when arm pump settled in (very often) and I couldn't grab the front brake lever
- I am thinking about quitting altogheter

4 strokes are no fun! But they are quite safe because simple to ride

Anyway....I still have my trusty RM 125 '99 and a Suzuki RM 250 1991.....I rode them sometimes....and the fun factor has nothing to do compare to riding those heavy boring 4 strokes even if I am slower o the ring- a- ding



7/3/2015 10:48am
a 250 2 stroke is harder to ride fast for a whole moto, they punish mistakes more, but they have more power, and you will get better starts if you learn to launch it right,

between the 2, most people will do their fastest lap times on a 250 2t, but more consistent times on the 250F,

both can be fun, its just what you prefer, but changing from one to the other will not normally drastically improve your results, fast guys will be fast on both
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7/4/2015 10:37am
You're happy on the 4 stroke stay on the 4 stroke, if it aint broke don't fix it.

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