No Villopoto '16, Herlings stays MX2, Desalle to KRT and Everts to HRC?

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Crush wrote:
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good...
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good to cross your fingers for that one maybe possible season where it all goes right–say Canard 2010... BUT it's a good enough reason to look elsewhere IMO. Especially if he's your number one guy.

I know it may seem that way, but look at his championship finishes in the last 6 years though:

2009: 3rd
2010: 2nd
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
2013: 2nd
2014: 5th

Despite getting injured, he's still been the closest to Cairoli these last few years.

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Olson 6/21/2015 12:38am
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Problem is HRCs reputition isn't like it used to be. Nagl wasn't very pleased with either the bike or the team. Paulin seems to struggle A LOT! I can't see Desalle leaving Suzuki for them. He's been with them for so long and is really happy with the setup and working with other Belgians.

Edit. Meant KRT but thought about HRC. Still doubt Desalle leaving Suzuki though.
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Crush wrote:
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good...
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good to cross your fingers for that one maybe possible season where it all goes right–say Canard 2010... BUT it's a good enough reason to look elsewhere IMO. Especially if he's your number one guy.

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I know it may seem that way, but look at his championship finishes in the last 6 years though: 2009: 3rd 2010: 2nd 2011: 3rd 2012...
I know it may seem that way, but look at his championship finishes in the last 6 years though:

2009: 3rd
2010: 2nd
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
2013: 2nd
2014: 5th

Despite getting injured, he's still been the closest to Cairoli these last few years.

Yep... And a lot of those was because he missed races and crashed out or injured.

I agree he's up there, 'despite' but the other side of the coin is his consistent inconsistency. Not often leopards change their spots, especially after 7 seasons of it.

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crusty_xx 6/21/2015 1:09am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Why wouldn't you?
Crush wrote:
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good...
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good to cross your fingers for that one maybe possible season where it all goes right–say Canard 2010... BUT it's a good enough reason to look elsewhere IMO. Especially if he's your number one guy.

kevin204 wrote:
Kinda seems like they did look elsewhere, which is why RV2 was riding for them. However, who else are they gonna get? Everyone else is locked...
Kinda seems like they did look elsewhere, which is why RV2 was riding for them. However, who else are they gonna get? Everyone else is locked up. Taking a shot on Desalle is better than bringing back Rattray to ride around in 10th.
they should have stayed with Paulin and they would have a title contender this year.
Now they have an injured RV (you cant blame them for bringing him over and he would be in the title fight had he not crashed) and a Rattray who's battling for top15 spots.

Desalle is the best shot... Cairoli is only getting older, RV will probably not be there next year, Febvre and Paulin are locked up. You could gamble on an MX2 rider like Guillod or Tixier to bring it but imo Desalle is the best guy.
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Derpin' DJ 6/21/2015 1:36am
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Yep... And a lot of those was because he missed races and crashed out or injured. I agree he's up there, 'despite' but the other side...
Yep... And a lot of those was because he missed races and crashed out or injured.

I agree he's up there, 'despite' but the other side of the coin is his consistent inconsistency. Not often leopards change their spots, especially after 7 seasons of it.
I think my point is, that despite his 'inconsistency', there's not many better options out there, if any. Pretty much the entire field struggles with inconsistency, other than Cairoli.
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Crush 6/21/2015 1:43am
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Maybe there aren't any better options, but why would you sack up big bucks for a guy who's basically proven he's likely gonna get hurt? I'd take a shot on a young guy, an import or wait... any are fine, I also wouldn't have signed Barcia–he and Clement are probably commanding big salaries and are also not likely to win you a title.
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I have always defended Herlings for not moving up but it's starting to seriously getting ridiculous. He's not only making no progress, he's actually getting worse...
I have always defended Herlings for not moving up but it's starting to seriously getting ridiculous.
He's not only making no progress, he's actually getting worse. He was better than now 2 years ago already...

In a recent interview he said there's nothing decided and they decide in mid August or September.

This whole thing just makes me dislike KTM even more. Hopefully Febvre can pull off this title (nothing against Cairoli at all)
RichardLoots wrote:
totally agree , if he wins this year he has 3 worldtitles ... time to move up , Everts wanted him to move up last year...
totally agree , if he wins this year he has 3 worldtitles ... time to move up , Everts wanted him to move up last year but KTM didnt want to let him race the 450 class.... looks like he has to leave KTM in order to move up to MXGP , like Roczen did ....

Febvre just signed a 2 year deal with Yamaha ... so its Desalle who could make a switch
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If he really wanted to move up he could have. KTM would not make him stay in MX2 if he threaten to leave, no way.
oh yeah sure ....lol.... as far as i know , KTM pays him to ride MX2 ..they kept him happy with a big bonus and cheque
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You'd think herlings would like to come to America and race the nats.... He's young, seems to have the personality to want to do it.
he wants to break records in worldchampionships ....
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Derpin' DJ 6/21/2015 2:01am
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Crush wrote:
Maybe there aren't any better options, but why would you sack up big bucks for a guy who's basically proven he's likely gonna get hurt? I'd...
Maybe there aren't any better options, but why would you sack up big bucks for a guy who's basically proven he's likely gonna get hurt? I'd take a shot on a young guy, an import or wait... any are fine, I also wouldn't have signed Barcia–he and Clement are probably commanding big salaries and are also not likely to win you a title.
Barcia won't win a title for different reasons though.

If you've got the speed to win a title, which Desalle has, you're worth the coin
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RichardLoots wrote:
he wants to break records in worldchampionships ....
Feels like he's more interested in money, I could be wrong tho
RichardLoots 6/21/2015 2:04am
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RichardLoots wrote:
he wants to break records in worldchampionships ....
steed 2.0 wrote:
Feels like he's more interested in money, I could be wrong tho
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........

fact is , its time to move up ....or go USA or go MXGP .... another year in MX2 doesnt make him better
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RichardLoots wrote:
a lot of speculations ....
Probably caused due to vauge social network posts
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RichardLoots wrote:
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........ fact is , its time...
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........

fact is , its time to move up ....or go USA or go MXGP .... another year in MX2 doesnt make him better
If they want to pay him a MXGP salary to win the MX2 title? (I can only speak for myself, I wouldn't care how many people called me a sandbagger) they must now make money for their entire life basically
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Kawasaki's team manager stated that RV is on his recruit list for 2016. He said it with a smile, like he knows something.
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dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........ fact is , its time...
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........

fact is , its time to move up ....or go USA or go MXGP .... another year in MX2 doesnt make him better
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If they want to pay him a MXGP salary to win the MX2 title? (I can only speak for myself, I wouldn't care how many people...
If they want to pay him a MXGP salary to win the MX2 title? (I can only speak for myself, I wouldn't care how many people called me a sandbagger) they must now make money for their entire life basically
hahaha you could be right there ...who knows what KTM pays him .....
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Kawasaki's team manager stated that RV is on his recruit list for 2016. He said it with a smile, like he knows something.
he was on their list for 2016 from day 1 ? so what changed , as RV stated clearly win or loose this was his last season
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Sandberm wrote:
What was the Herlings debacle last year that caused Everts to get demoted? If it was his broken leg from riding the 80, why was that...
What was the Herlings debacle last year that caused Everts to get demoted? If it was his broken leg from riding the 80, why was that Everts fault?

Herlings appears to be getting complacent/lazy in the 250 class, no?
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Yes 85cc charity race, because it was Everts event and he asked him to race the event. He also said Herlings should miss the GP of...
Yes 85cc charity race, because it was Everts event and he asked him to race the event. He also said Herlings should miss the GP of Thailand (I think) at the beginning of the series because Herlings had a problem with his shoulder (or something) and he should better rest and recover because he will probably clinch the title anyway. In hindsight, he could have raced there (because it was not an injury) and ultimately have wrapped up the title even with the crash ... In my opinion, it was Herlings responsibility and decision (to race either GP of Thailand and charity race) but yeah ...
Wrong, it's because Everts advised him to sit out the GP of Brazil last year due a shoulder injury.He could race, but listened to Everts. If he scored 5 points overthere, he would've been champion.

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Wasn't it because Stefan wanted to spend more time with Liam and his Daughter?
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Radical wrote:
Kawasaki's team manager stated that RV is on his recruit list for 2016. He said it with a smile, like he knows something.
RichardLoots wrote:
he was on their list for 2016 from day 1 ? so what changed , as RV stated clearly win or loose this was his last...
he was on their list for 2016 from day 1 ? so what changed , as RV stated clearly win or loose this was his last season
Lose* and yeah RV just wants to fish and shoot guns.
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Sandberm wrote:
What was the Herlings debacle last year that caused Everts to get demoted? If it was his broken leg from riding the 80, why was that...
What was the Herlings debacle last year that caused Everts to get demoted? If it was his broken leg from riding the 80, why was that Everts fault?

Herlings appears to be getting complacent/lazy in the 250 class, no?
KlootZak wrote:
Yes 85cc charity race, because it was Everts event and he asked him to race the event. He also said Herlings should miss the GP of...
Yes 85cc charity race, because it was Everts event and he asked him to race the event. He also said Herlings should miss the GP of Thailand (I think) at the beginning of the series because Herlings had a problem with his shoulder (or something) and he should better rest and recover because he will probably clinch the title anyway. In hindsight, he could have raced there (because it was not an injury) and ultimately have wrapped up the title even with the crash ... In my opinion, it was Herlings responsibility and decision (to race either GP of Thailand and charity race) but yeah ...
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Wrong, it's because Everts advised him to sit out the GP of Brazil last year due a shoulder injury.He could race, but listened to Everts. If...
Wrong, it's because Everts advised him to sit out the GP of Brazil last year due a shoulder injury.He could race, but listened to Everts. If he scored 5 points overthere, he would've been champion.
Well that was what I said actually. I was just wrong about Brazil (I knew it was a fly away race but wasn't bothered to look up which it was).
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RichardLoots wrote:
he wants to break records in worldchampionships ....
steed 2.0 wrote:
Feels like he's more interested in money, I could be wrong tho
RichardLoots wrote:
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........ fact is , its time...
dont you think he could make more money in the USA ? with all the media and sponsors over there ........

fact is , its time to move up ....or go USA or go MXGP .... another year in MX2 doesnt make him better
I feel like your right, another crack at mx2 won't really improve him, but a year over here probably would. New tracks, new riders, dealing with a different type of heat.

There would be rounds where he'd be hard to beat, and rounds that would be an eye opener for him.
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Everts worth has dropped massively over the last few years , the fact that he has been pushed out as far as the KTM youth program , looking after Prado & Mewse tells you that he is only going one way. Rumours of him being hard to work with/for have been around for ages, when Shaun Simpson left KTM factory, i heard that it was a fall out with Everts , or the way he wanted something doing that kicked that off, and with Pit Beirer seeming to be the main man , there is only room for so many top dogs.. as for the Honda thing, i think that with Bayle on board, they have all they need in that department , Roger Harvey , who runs Honda World Motocross is pretty switched on to the way things work , i cant see him wanting to buy into that kind of drama.

My opinion is that Desalle will use the KRT offer to increase his salary at Suzuki, but as he is french Belgian, coming from the south of the country, rather than the flemish side, maybe the french side more.

Simpson to KRT isnt a new rumour , he would be worth it , especially on recent form.

It does seem that with the longer season , the move to 3 rider teams is catching on, maybe Simpson , Desalle and Rattray at KRT would be their best bet, unless they have a performance clause in their contracy for Rattray
THE mx addict 6/21/2015 1:23pm
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With RV retirement, there won't be any bike for Rattray under the KRT tent in 2016...
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Flatliner wrote:
You'd think herlings would like to come to America and race the nats.... He's young, seems to have the personality to want to do it.
RichardLoots wrote:
he wants to break records in worldchampionships ....
In an age limited class - under 23 years old...

That's called Sand Bagging.
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philG 6/21/2015 2:14pm
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THE mx addict wrote:
With RV retirement, there won't be any bike for Rattray under the KRT tent in 2016...
i thought he was on a 2 year deal. Which was done before the RV deal.
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RichardLoots wrote:
totally agree , if he wins this year he has 3 worldtitles ... time to move up , Everts wanted him to move up last year...
totally agree , if he wins this year he has 3 worldtitles ... time to move up , Everts wanted him to move up last year but KTM didnt want to let him race the 450 class.... looks like he has to leave KTM in order to move up to MXGP , like Roczen did ....

Febvre just signed a 2 year deal with Yamaha ... so its Desalle who could make a switch
Huh... Roczen left Suzuki and finally won a title in MX2 on a KTM. He never ran a MX1 race as far as I can tell.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Why wouldn't you?
Crush wrote:
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good...
Not sure who else is available, but he's pretty consistently shown he gets injured a lot and can't finish a season. Nagl too. It's all good to cross your fingers for that one maybe possible season where it all goes right–say Canard 2010... BUT it's a good enough reason to look elsewhere IMO. Especially if he's your number one guy.

Sad but true logic Crush to many riders with top $ never finishing a season
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Crush wrote:
Wasn't it because Stefan wanted to spend more time with Liam and his Daughter?
Like Larry Ward and holiday time?
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The big fish not signed is Guillod Yamaha better sign him pronto I think he moves up next year as well

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