Reed Says He's Done If He Can't Run His Camera

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mauidex 6/1/2015 5:54pm
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maybe I'm just whacked but wouldn't it be easier, especially in this very small worl, to get more guys at a lower cost, in any category??? fully get and understand the "exclusive" deal but wouldn't it be more advantageous to have PU, WPS, TR all in the game??? same with goggles..........seems like 6 or 7 brands that would play.......or most other categories??? would't it be better to have everyone that wanted in "in" ???? curious...........
neverwasfastenuf 6/1/2015 6:12pm
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Dtat720 wrote:
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full...
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full well it wouldnt be allowed to film on track all along. Cash the check, try to run it, get it removed, act pissed amd fight tooth and nail for the company all the while, the money is being spent. Knowing from the start, the camera would not be used on track.

Smart business man schools new company.
Has he got that 500K check cashed and funds in the bank yet?

Maybe a portion thereof with contingencies attached to get the rest.

"MX Sports f..cked me out of a deal"

"I can make over a half million on a good camera deal but they won't let it happen"

360fly lists him as a rider and Reed has instagrammed about a new sponsor.

What's stopping him from posting up some cool videos from the new camera on nuetral turf and why haven't we seen any video of him while using the camera?

Nobody, at least on here has said when the GoPro contracts expire. If it isn't very soon you can bet your Team 22 hoodie that GoPro will be offering a 360 degree version soon.

360fly has got a lot of buzz going from Reed on this, but if Reed hasn't been paid yet and he can't get the contract consumated with them to get paid it's pretty easy to see who the big winner in this really is.

The camera and technology appears pretty sweet, GoPro is a big hitter, the next contracts will be way more lucrative.

Hopefully Reed will get his coin but I don't forsee GoPro rolling over on the terms of their existing contract.

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What's so funny, is that Chad isn't even educated enough to know that it's NBC/Alli and not MXSports who "fucked him out of a deal"

Good riddance, his new deal is be a whiny bitch about something when he can't let his results do the talking, I won't miss him, especially outdoors where he is essentially a non factor. Lots of good racing in his part of the pack whether he is there or not.

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mauidex wrote:
maybe I'm just whacked but wouldn't it be easier, especially in this very small worl, to get more guys at a lower cost, in any category...
maybe I'm just whacked but wouldn't it be easier, especially in this very small worl, to get more guys at a lower cost, in any category??? fully get and understand the "exclusive" deal but wouldn't it be more advantageous to have PU, WPS, TR all in the game??? same with goggles..........seems like 6 or 7 brands that would play.......or most other categories??? would't it be better to have everyone that wanted in "in" ???? curious...........
No it isn't always better to have everyone be "in". Restricting entry drives up profits, which means you can charge to restrict entry. In a lot of cases, you will be able to make more money by selling exclusive rights than to charge a single price for anyone that wants to buy in.

The bulk of literature in competition theory will say that a monopoly will make more profits than the sum of profits of the oligopoly (any number of firms >1). If you are limited in what you can charge for the rights to be in by the profits made by the company (because what company would pay for rights if they wouldn't make positive profits), then you will be able to charge more if you restrict to a monopoly.
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DC wrote:
10000hrs, I'm not taking money out of anyone's pocket, I am honoring a contract that was in place years before last Friday, between a great sponsorship...
10000hrs, I'm not taking money out of anyone's pocket, I am honoring a contract that was in place years before last Friday, between a great sponsorship partner and our series promotional partner, and well before this space became popular with this new company. It obviously won't be settled here, or even tomorrow, but give me a break. Or don't. Either way, we're holding a race this weekend in Tennessee and I truly hope and expect to see Chad and his team there.
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DC...by way of clarification...you stated that NBC/Alli Sports are the parties to the contract with GoPro, not MX Sports. One must therefore assume that MX Sports is enforcing said contract due to it's contractual obligations with NBC and Alli Sports. Would this be a correct assumption? Also, since NBC also broadcasts the RacerTV program, do the same rules apply for GNCC competitors?

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Motodork wrote:
I am not saying to let them advertise, I am saying let them set up in the pits to take care of their riders and customers...
I am not saying to let them advertise, I am saying let them set up in the pits to take care of their riders and customers, I agree with WPS being able to do it at supercross for their riders and customers. They own Thor and I am sure thor is on the track worn by several riders, why can't they have support in the pits, WPS or Parts at all times. Like Dnlop and Bridgestone.
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Simple... Offering exclusivity brings in needed sponsorship revenue for each series I.e. the live television package. Why would a distributor or company pay huge sums if...
Simple... Offering exclusivity brings in needed sponsorship revenue for each series I.e. the live television package. Why would a distributor or company pay huge sums if they were able to offer hospitality areas for free? These hospitality areas are used for dealer engagement and improving business relationships.

And FYI, companies are allowed to service their riders as an industry sponsor. That's how Thor/Parts Unlimited was able to have their semi in the pits at Hangtown and Glen Helen, to service their riders. They must have the exclusivity for the dealer hospitality, however. The hospitality for doing and creating business is the hot button topic there.

I understand that you feel it should work differently but that's not going to happen as the series' need this revenue. Being able to provide catered food, prime viewing areas and track walk access for qualified dealers is a big selling point for any distributor.

As I said, this works both ways for each series. If WPS tried to offer a hospitality for their customers at a Supercross, that would be shut down quicker than you can imagine. I hope this sheds some light on it for you.
Is this not the same reason GoPro doesn't allow competing cameras to run during a moto? You've made great points on reasons for exclusivity and why it is so important to the series as a whole ("needed sponsorship revenue"). Makes sense to me.
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cpj36 6/1/2015 8:51pm
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Need more people like Chad. Keeping quiet is why we'll always see stuff like this or the H&H / Dodge thing, while over in NASCAR when FOX decides to blur out logos & not mention sponsors that didn't buy advertising, it's fixed before the next race.
beavermuncher 6/1/2015 8:53pm
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Reed is no longer relevant. He is still scarred for life from RC beating him down over the years.
douglasredding 6/1/2015 9:24pm
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To those in favor of Chad's 360fly camera deal....

Do you expect DC to break a business contract with a primary sponsor, one that brings video feeds to all the fans and television broadcast; that we all enjoy, so Chad can cash in $500k on a personal camera deal?

I don't get why this is an argument or discussion.

If Chad was talking to DC about NEXT season and getting completely shut-down for his own camera deal, then I could see a point. But we're 3 rounds into the season....

How the hell did Chad's legal team and 360Fly's legal completely miss the boat here? With $500k on the line, you would think someone would pick up a phone or spend 30 seconds composing an e-mail.

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This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will never grow stronger if you only allow one sponsor per category. Dunlop is a good example because no other tires are allowed the full access to the sport. If other tires are able to get in they have to pay a big amount of money and get no exposure. Gopro and Asterisk also examples of this issue.

There is nothing wrong with allowing first come first serve for sponsors so they get top placement and exposure. However, not allowing other brands to also participate in the Pro racing is simply poor business. Also it could be against the law. Much like Microsoft ended up in trouble with the Government, deals like these with the AMA could be considered hostile to those not allowed to participate.

Imagine Nascar did not allow all the different car manufactures to participate? They would loose a bunch of fans. If NBA only allowed Nike shoes? Motocross is to small to limit the businesses who want to participate!
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Moto810 wrote:
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will...
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will never grow stronger if you only allow one sponsor per category. Dunlop is a good example because no other tires are allowed the full access to the sport. If other tires are able to get in they have to pay a big amount of money and get no exposure. Gopro and Asterisk also examples of this issue.

There is nothing wrong with allowing first come first serve for sponsors so they get top placement and exposure. However, not allowing other brands to also participate in the Pro racing is simply poor business. Also it could be against the law. Much like Microsoft ended up in trouble with the Government, deals like these with the AMA could be considered hostile to those not allowed to participate.

Imagine Nascar did not allow all the different car manufactures to participate? They would loose a bunch of fans. If NBA only allowed Nike shoes? Motocross is to small to limit the businesses who want to participate!
Again people mistaking equipment with media.
On live TV they run GoPro lap with..., GoPro starts etc. After the race they have GoPro race recaps. That`s what a deal is about. It`s media that GoPro created. They made a deal with NBC. It`s not a riders equipment that is not allowed.
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A lot of haterade being drank here.

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dirtdog36 wrote:
Ricky Carmichael and the RCH team (I believe) AND Ryan Dungey have a SONY sponsorship... do you hear them bitching and saying that they won't race...
Ricky Carmichael and the RCH team (I believe) AND Ryan Dungey have a SONY sponsorship... do you hear them bitching and saying that they won't race????

NO!

As for an advantage? NO. If I remember correctly any ride can borrow a gopro at the race to film "their lines"
So because some people choose not to stand up to the rules in place no one else should.

Whe should Reed not make a point about this publically, why tip toe around it keep it quiet and let Go-Pro stroll in and extend their contract when it is up with no-one making a sound.

I bet there is a lot more publicity around the next time any company tries to claim exclusive rights in the sport that will force riders to not have the chance to bring on a personal conflicing sponsor.

If there is no noise, shit stays the same, make some noise and maybe things change, maybe they don't, but at least it gets put out in the open and people can debate it!
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seth505 wrote:
I don't think you understand business. If you are going to be mad at someone, be mad at who signed the contract on the other end...
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I think all these exclusive deals are not good for the sport! I know at the Supercross races a couple years ago DVS Shoes was not...
I think all these exclusive deals are not good for the sport!

I know at the Supercross races a couple years ago DVS Shoes was not allowed to park their rig in the pits because of DC Shoes exclusive deal, even though DVS sponsored riders in the race!
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Toyota had a similar contract that only their pickups would be allowed in the pits... Screw Toyota! (Sarcasm Alert)
For real, did that mean if a Privateer rocked up in a different brand of Pick up they could not bring it in, or are you saying that teams with other manufacture sponsors could not bring in a different brand of Pick Up for promotional purposes.

LOL were all the Monster promotional vechiles at the time Toyota's?

That could have been Funny Sorry Monster though you are the naming rights sponsor of the series you can't bring in your Ford (Inster what ever brand) pick up due to our contract with Toyota.
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I find it interesting that there is a GoPro representative at Mx/SX events who offers a GoPro to any rider who wants to ride with one. The only question I would ask him/her is how much will they pay me to run it. If they answer zero, then that's the same as the chance of me sticking one on my helmet.
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Moto810 wrote:
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will...
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will never grow stronger if you only allow one sponsor per category. Dunlop is a good example because no other tires are allowed the full access to the sport. If other tires are able to get in they have to pay a big amount of money and get no exposure. Gopro and Asterisk also examples of this issue.

There is nothing wrong with allowing first come first serve for sponsors so they get top placement and exposure. However, not allowing other brands to also participate in the Pro racing is simply poor business. Also it could be against the law. Much like Microsoft ended up in trouble with the Government, deals like these with the AMA could be considered hostile to those not allowed to participate.

Imagine Nascar did not allow all the different car manufactures to participate? They would loose a bunch of fans. If NBA only allowed Nike shoes? Motocross is to small to limit the businesses who want to participate!
Your last 2 lines...
Nascar allows only goodyear tires... NBA fined Michael Jordan $5000 a game for wearing air jordans...

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I wonder if anyone here actually listened to the interview? Doesn't seem like it
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Your last 2 lines...
Nascar allows only goodyear tires... NBA fined Michael Jordan $5000 a game for wearing air jordans...

NASCAR controls many things including tires, & often mandates air pressures, all under the guise of competition. Not sure if its ever prohibited a sponsor because of broadcast contract tho.
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Moto810 wrote:
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will...
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will never grow stronger if you only allow one sponsor per category. Dunlop is a good example because no other tires are allowed the full access to the sport. If other tires are able to get in they have to pay a big amount of money and get no exposure. Gopro and Asterisk also examples of this issue.

There is nothing wrong with allowing first come first serve for sponsors so they get top placement and exposure. However, not allowing other brands to also participate in the Pro racing is simply poor business. Also it could be against the law. Much like Microsoft ended up in trouble with the Government, deals like these with the AMA could be considered hostile to those not allowed to participate.

Imagine Nascar did not allow all the different car manufactures to participate? They would loose a bunch of fans. If NBA only allowed Nike shoes? Motocross is to small to limit the businesses who want to participate!
kongols wrote:
Again people mistaking equipment with media. On live TV they run GoPro lap with..., GoPro starts etc. After the race they have GoPro race recaps. That`s...
Again people mistaking equipment with media.
On live TV they run GoPro lap with..., GoPro starts etc. After the race they have GoPro race recaps. That`s what a deal is about. It`s media that GoPro created. They made a deal with NBC. It`s not a riders equipment that is not allowed.
Pretty much this, it's a TV deal. I imagine NBC have exclusive rights to all footage they shoot and from the track. They pay GoPro for the track footage. If everyone had their own different branded cameras it would be hard to control all of that footage. The far easier and more manageable solution is a blanket ban of other camera makers. Yeah, it's not as good for the fans or the riders, but it's business. If NBC can't control all of the footage they stand to lose money, therefore potentially compromising the sweet coverage we get currently. It's a completely different situation to other gear deals. Personally I'd much rather watch the races without Reed there than not have the coverage we have currently.

I'm pretty sure most of us fans knew the deal since when it began, there is no excuse for Reed not knowing, it's just the topic he chooses to moan about this week. Yeah it sucks if they won't sponsor him based entirely on not being able to record race footage, but Sony has no problem...

My question is can anyone rock up with a GoPro and run it or is it only who GoPro / NBC choose that week? (I'm guessing the latter)
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I would like to see the clippings for 360 in web and media this week from this kafuffle... This thread has 28K views! Add some insta, facebook, twitter and general moto media, I'd say they've created a nice little storm for themselves... And I bet Wil Hahn and Ryan Dungey are hoping this shit works out too.
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Moto810 wrote:
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will...
This is bigger than most here are understanding. This is not only about a camera. This also goes for other products and sponsors. A sport will never grow stronger if you only allow one sponsor per category. Dunlop is a good example because no other tires are allowed the full access to the sport. If other tires are able to get in they have to pay a big amount of money and get no exposure. Gopro and Asterisk also examples of this issue.

There is nothing wrong with allowing first come first serve for sponsors so they get top placement and exposure. However, not allowing other brands to also participate in the Pro racing is simply poor business. Also it could be against the law. Much like Microsoft ended up in trouble with the Government, deals like these with the AMA could be considered hostile to those not allowed to participate.

Imagine Nascar did not allow all the different car manufactures to participate? They would loose a bunch of fans. If NBA only allowed Nike shoes? Motocross is to small to limit the businesses who want to participate!
kongols wrote:
Again people mistaking equipment with media. On live TV they run GoPro lap with..., GoPro starts etc. After the race they have GoPro race recaps. That`s...
Again people mistaking equipment with media.
On live TV they run GoPro lap with..., GoPro starts etc. After the race they have GoPro race recaps. That`s what a deal is about. It`s media that GoPro created. They made a deal with NBC. It`s not a riders equipment that is not allowed.
Gazza wrote:
Pretty much this, it's a TV deal. I imagine NBC have exclusive rights to all footage they shoot and from the track. They pay GoPro for...
Pretty much this, it's a TV deal. I imagine NBC have exclusive rights to all footage they shoot and from the track. They pay GoPro for the track footage. If everyone had their own different branded cameras it would be hard to control all of that footage. The far easier and more manageable solution is a blanket ban of other camera makers. Yeah, it's not as good for the fans or the riders, but it's business. If NBC can't control all of the footage they stand to lose money, therefore potentially compromising the sweet coverage we get currently. It's a completely different situation to other gear deals. Personally I'd much rather watch the races without Reed there than not have the coverage we have currently.

I'm pretty sure most of us fans knew the deal since when it began, there is no excuse for Reed not knowing, it's just the topic he chooses to moan about this week. Yeah it sucks if they won't sponsor him based entirely on not being able to record race footage, but Sony has no problem...

My question is can anyone rock up with a GoPro and run it or is it only who GoPro / NBC choose that week? (I'm guessing the latter)
To answer your question no. Not any rider is allowed to run a Gopro. I had a pro rider I sponsored and he was not allowed to run a Gopro in practice even. My point is exclusive contracts hurts any sport. The more businesses in the sport the better! The more tires the better! Let the best win! Sure if one is the main sponsor they get better placement and top exposure! But do not lock out the others!
neverwasfastenuf 6/2/2015 7:41am
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Crush wrote:
I would like to see the clippings for 360 in web and media this week from this kafuffle... This thread has 28K views! Add some insta...
I would like to see the clippings for 360 in web and media this week from this kafuffle... This thread has 28K views! Add some insta, facebook, twitter and general moto media, I'd say they've created a nice little storm for themselves... And I bet Wil Hahn and Ryan Dungey are hoping this shit works out too.
Yes it has gotten the attention, no telling how much of that will turn into purchases, and hopefully for Reed's sake he already got or will get his compensation.

If not, 360 fly will come out as the big winner here at this point and we will have to wait and see how it goes when the existing contracts expire.

I still don't know why we haven't seen videos of Reed riding showing this new technology, seems to me it would only enhance the buzz.

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It's a live feed camera that NBC used a few times last season. Before you ask why this is allowed, it was NBC's decision to run the camera.

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