Reed Says He's Done If He Can't Run His Camera

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Reed's new Camera Deal has 24,029 views. Good Marketing!
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sesker15 wrote:
Reed's new Camera Deal has 24,029 views. Good Marketing!
That and 7 bucks will get you a cup of Starbucks?
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sesker15 wrote:
Reed's new Camera Deal has 24,029 views. Good Marketing!
Nah. I doubt anyone wants to ride around with Disney World attached to their helmet.

More like a smear campaign...
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chads a marketing genius at this point. anyone that thinks he wasn't aware of the gopro contract is a retard. he knows exactly what hes doing, poking the bear for shear views at this point and if your not recognizing it....well nevermind.

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2.11 e. Riders are prohibited from using any on-board or helmet mounted video recording device while operating a
vehicle on the race course, except upon approval by MX Sports.
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Berm wrote:
2.11 e. Riders are prohibited from using any on-board or helmet mounted video recording device while operating a vehicle on the race course, except upon approval...
2.11 e. Riders are prohibited from using any on-board or helmet mounted video recording device while operating a
vehicle on the race course, except upon approval by MX Sports.
That should end with "unless the camera company pays off the right people"
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Dtat720 wrote:
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full...
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full well it wouldnt be allowed to film on track all along. Cash the check, try to run it, get it removed, act pissed amd fight tooth and nail for the company all the while, the money is being spent. Knowing from the start, the camera would not be used on track.

Smart business man schools new company.
Said company is operated by someone who has been involved in the moto-industry before and has even sponsored Chad in the past. They knew what they were doing...
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6/1/2015 3:44pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 4:07pm
I enjoy watching authorities defend an undefendiable position.
So gut the camera of its camera stuff and have just the case, mount it on the helmet and call it a hood ornament.
Luv to see the authorities parse the rules in this case.

Then the following week make sure the companies logo is clearly visible.
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Reed knew the rules before he signed the contract another crying speedy reedy you can use your camera for practice and qualifying and mxsports has rite to the video and you can not use it during the races simple but true.
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6/1/2015 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 3:58pm
Just checked out the video of this new camera. If I was GoPro then I wouldn't want anyone else posting footage either. These new helmet cams look awesome! What a crazy idea. Won't be surprised if GoPro follows suit soon.

Also, I have changed my position and think Reed should push for the right to use this product. He has pretty solid reasons why and it can only help himself and many others if its passed.
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Dtat720 wrote:
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full...
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full well it wouldnt be allowed to film on track all along. Cash the check, try to run it, get it removed, act pissed amd fight tooth and nail for the company all the while, the money is being spent. Knowing from the start, the camera would not be used on track.

Smart business man schools new company.
ML512 wrote:
Said company is operated by someone who has been involved in the moto-industry before and has even sponsored Chad in the past. They knew what they...
Said company is operated by someone who has been involved in the moto-industry before and has even sponsored Chad in the past. They knew what they were doing...
What the F$&@ are they doing?
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6/1/2015 4:05pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 4:05pm
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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Whoa, I dont get this logic at all. You understand why you should not have exclusive agreements for tires, fuels etc but a new product comes along and it autmatically gets an exclusive status.

The default position should be no exclusives at all. at least for any product that can be worn, used, or fitted to the bike or the riders.

This reminds me of the decisons by marketing department for new advertizing programs. think Google ads, you must opt out to not be served up ads. You could make opt in the default or opt out the default. Which is most always done by money making enterprises? ... Opt out. Enlightened organizations choose to opt in to protect the little guy.

DC, please change your organizations default to make sponserships non exclusive. You have enough advantages in the marketplace that you dont need to take money out of the riders pockets, factory and privateer alike.
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dboivin wrote:
chads a marketing genius at this point. anyone that thinks he wasn't aware of the gopro contract is a retard. he knows exactly what hes doing...
chads a marketing genius at this point. anyone that thinks he wasn't aware of the gopro contract is a retard. he knows exactly what hes doing, poking the bear for shear views at this point and if your not recognizing it....well nevermind.
This exactly, except I'm sure it was Chad and the Marketing department of 360 collaborating. 360 wants to penetrate the moto market and they had two choices:

1. Spend a whole lot of money on traditional avenues to reach us (websites, TV where possible, events, magazines, etc.)

2. Sponsor a well known rider and figure out a way to get some media attention (good or bad). They just so happened to be given the perfect "gift" of GoPro's exclusive agreement to cause some controversy and get some attention.

Chad's not going anywhere this season, and now we are all aware that the 360 camera exists (I personally checked out their website after I found out about them). Mission accomplished. This would be a great case study to learn about in a college marketing class.
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6/1/2015 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 4:25pm
I giggle at the fact that the "reason" they did an exclusive is because GoPro was the only product in the market......Sure it was....

If it was the only product on the market then there was no need for an exclusive anyway....... They knew other products were on the market or would be coming on the market that would compete with them. The promoter should have said no exclusives, even "if" your the only the only viable product in the market place at this time.

Let him run his camera, its hard enough to fund a team without having to compete with the series promoters as well.

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DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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10000hrs wrote:
Whoa, I dont get this logic at all. You understand why you should not have exclusive agreements for tires, fuels etc but a new product comes...
Whoa, I dont get this logic at all. You understand why you should not have exclusive agreements for tires, fuels etc but a new product comes along and it autmatically gets an exclusive status.

The default position should be no exclusives at all. at least for any product that can be worn, used, or fitted to the bike or the riders.

This reminds me of the decisons by marketing department for new advertizing programs. think Google ads, you must opt out to not be served up ads. You could make opt in the default or opt out the default. Which is most always done by money making enterprises? ... Opt out. Enlightened organizations choose to opt in to protect the little guy.

DC, please change your organizations default to make sponserships non exclusive. You have enough advantages in the marketplace that you dont need to take money out of the riders pockets, factory and privateer alike.
Did you miss DC's first post in this thread where he said the GoPro deal is actually with NBC and not MX Sports? What exactly should he do? Trash a live TV deal because Chad wants to take his ball and go home? Good luck with that.
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$500k that fly360 is paying Chad must pale in comparison to the amount GoPro has contributed.

What will be hilarious is if we were to lose a live TV deal just because you don't like an exclusive contract.

Also, I'm pretty sure someone before has tried to use a "shell" instead of a working camera. I'm not positive if it was successful. I think it may have been in some pit-bits photos (or maybe that was another rider having to follow the same rules as Chad).
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10000hrs, I'm not taking money out of anyone's pocket, I am honoring a contract that was in place years before last Friday, between a great sponsorship partner and our series promotional partner, and well before this space became popular with this new company. It obviously won't be settled here, or even tomorrow, but give me a break. Or don't. Either way, we're holding a race this weekend in Tennessee and I truly hope and expect to see Chad and his team there.
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Here are the supercross rules too.

1.17
d. The use of a video recording device or its likeness is not
allowed at any time during on-track competition, including
practice, qualifying and races without permission from the
Championship promoter.
e. If an approved helmet camera is used, it must be mounted
per the manufactures recommendation.

So I'm guessing this was the specific rule that prevented a rider from using a "shell" of a camera.
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Chad is whining? No way!
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6/1/2015 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 4:38pm
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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10000hrs wrote:
Whoa, I dont get this logic at all. You understand why you should not have exclusive agreements for tires, fuels etc but a new product comes...
Whoa, I dont get this logic at all. You understand why you should not have exclusive agreements for tires, fuels etc but a new product comes along and it autmatically gets an exclusive status.

The default position should be no exclusives at all. at least for any product that can be worn, used, or fitted to the bike or the riders.

This reminds me of the decisons by marketing department for new advertizing programs. think Google ads, you must opt out to not be served up ads. You could make opt in the default or opt out the default. Which is most always done by money making enterprises? ... Opt out. Enlightened organizations choose to opt in to protect the little guy.

DC, please change your organizations default to make sponserships non exclusive. You have enough advantages in the marketplace that you dont need to take money out of the riders pockets, factory and privateer alike.
Sully wrote:
Did you miss DC's first post in this thread where he said the GoPro deal is actually with NBC and not MX Sports? What exactly should...
Did you miss DC's first post in this thread where he said the GoPro deal is actually with NBC and not MX Sports? What exactly should he do? Trash a live TV deal because Chad wants to take his ball and go home? Good luck with that.
This, I was gonna type the same thing and you beat me to it. People don't read lol just blind posting.
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Dtat720 wrote:
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full...
Sounds to me like a very smart business man made a lucrative deal with a very naïve action camera company. Solidifying half a mil, knowing full well it wouldnt be allowed to film on track all along. Cash the check, try to run it, get it removed, act pissed amd fight tooth and nail for the company all the while, the money is being spent. Knowing from the start, the camera would not be used on track.

Smart business man schools new company.
ML512 wrote:
Said company is operated by someone who has been involved in the moto-industry before and has even sponsored Chad in the past. They knew what they...
Said company is operated by someone who has been involved in the moto-industry before and has even sponsored Chad in the past. They knew what they were doing...
Suspected as much. Trying to paint nbc and DC in a corner. Wrong way to go about it if you ask me. That half mil would go a lot further in bidding when the contract is up.
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DC wrote:
10000hrs, I'm not taking money out of anyone's pocket, I am honoring a contract that was in place years before last Friday, between a great sponsorship...
10000hrs, I'm not taking money out of anyone's pocket, I am honoring a contract that was in place years before last Friday, between a great sponsorship partner and our series promotional partner, and well before this space became popular with this new company. It obviously won't be settled here, or even tomorrow, but give me a break. Or don't. Either way, we're holding a race this weekend in Tennessee and I truly hope and expect to see Chad and his team there.
DC
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DC for the WIN!!!
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I know Parts Unlimited wasn't allowed to have a hospitality suite in the pits this year at Glen Helen because Western Powersports complained about it. I...
I know Parts Unlimited wasn't allowed to have a hospitality suite in the pits this year at Glen Helen because Western Powersports complained about it. I know WPS sponsors the series but to not allow a major vendor support their own customer is ridiculous. That is like not allowing a Bridgestone truck in the pits because Dunlop sponsors the series.
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You also realize that hospitality is sold exclusively, yes? This is exactly the same scenario as supercross but flip flopped as Parts has paid for that...
You also realize that hospitality is sold exclusively, yes? This is exactly the same scenario as supercross but flip flopped as Parts has paid for that right and privilege in supercross where WPS has in motocross. WPS is not allowed to have any hospitality in supercross for the same reasons you are complaining about.
I am not saying to let them advertise, I am saying let them set up in the pits to take care of their riders and customers, I agree with WPS being able to do it at supercross for their riders and customers. They own Thor and I am sure thor is on the track worn by several riders, why can't they have support in the pits, WPS or Parts at all times. Like Dnlop and Bridgestone.
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6/1/2015 4:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 4:50pm
The head of marketing for Fly360 has probably the BIGGEST shit-eating grin on their face right now. Grinning

Let's say Chad and his team don't show up to the next round... what about Discount Tire, Fox/Shift, Oakley, Kawasaki, and the other brands supporting his team? Chad and Josh aren't injured. They are fully capable of racing. Do you guys really think Chad has a NFG clause in his contract that allows him to decide they aren't going to show up at the races because Chad doesn't want to? You can't make this stuff up Silly
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To many pages for a freaking camera I need a coffee!



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I gotta think this comes down to leverage into the 2016 sx season..
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Motodork wrote:
I am not saying to let them advertise, I am saying let them set up in the pits to take care of their riders and customers...
I am not saying to let them advertise, I am saying let them set up in the pits to take care of their riders and customers, I agree with WPS being able to do it at supercross for their riders and customers. They own Thor and I am sure thor is on the track worn by several riders, why can't they have support in the pits, WPS or Parts at all times. Like Dnlop and Bridgestone.
Simple... Offering exclusivity brings in needed sponsorship revenue for each series I.e. the live television package. Why would a distributor or company pay huge sums if they were able to offer hospitality areas for free? These hospitality areas are used for dealer engagement and improving business relationships.

And FYI, companies are allowed to service their riders as an industry sponsor. That's how Thor/Parts Unlimited was able to have their semi in the pits at Hangtown and Glen Helen, to service their riders. They must have the exclusivity for the dealer hospitality, however. The hospitality for doing and creating business is the hot button topic there.

I understand that you feel it should work differently but that's not going to happen as the series' need this revenue. Being able to provide catered food, prime viewing areas and track walk access for qualified dealers is a big selling point for any distributor.

As I said, this works both ways for each series. If WPS tried to offer a hospitality for their customers at a Supercross, that would be shut down quicker than you can imagine. I hope this sheds some light on it for you.
6/1/2015 5:47pm
sesker15 wrote:
Reed's new Camera Deal has 24,029 views. Good Marketing!
newmann wrote:
That and 7 bucks will get you a cup of Starbucks?
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6/1/2015 5:51pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 7:04pm
Hi Chad, we're up to 14 pages, 3 threads... Hope you had a nice day...

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