Can we please stop using "if the GP riders raced SX they'd get smoked" logic?

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RV going to race the GPs isn't comparable to a GP rider trying to race SX in the states. Apples and oranges.

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Trav138 4/19/2015 2:51pm
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Thanks for clearing that up for us.
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How many euro champs have come over here and gotten destroyed, indoors and out? Plenty...
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The Rock 4/19/2015 2:58pm
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Appreciate your contribution to the discussion Trav138.

gt80rider-My post has noting to do with Euro chanps coming over here but seems like more and more people can't take their SX is hard goggles off.
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But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.

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I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway.

Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me.

What is evident is that if you a top rider who practices and races motocross full time on a variety of circuits, then only logic would suggest you will be faster than a top rider who only races motocross for 1/3 of the time on similar prepped tracks and spends the other 2/3 of the time at SX.
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to...
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.
I think you will find RV has been embraced by GP fans... and if he bounces back from today, will be embraced even more.

Thats not to say if you are at a GP in Italy, the fans won't go nuts over Cairoli... just like at Glen Helen, there would be a million USA chants. Thats the cool thing about GP racing.
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gt80rider wrote:
How many euro champs have come over here and gotten destroyed, indoors and out? Plenty...
Not near as many as have come over and won championships dumbass.
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Fat Fingers wrote:
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway. Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me. What...
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway.

Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me.

What is evident is that if you a top rider who practices and races motocross full time on a variety of circuits, then only logic would suggest you will be faster than a top rider who only races motocross for 1/3 of the time on similar prepped tracks and spends the other 2/3 of the time at SX.
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used it to get an AMA ride....
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to...
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.
But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve
Are you serious??? Huh


You missed allot of GP bashing then. Fom MXDN to Musquin, and even the crowd favorite Roczen, got ALLOT of shit on this board when they moved over. GP riders in general got laughed at for YEARS by ALLOT of US fans on this board. Exception? US fans that did NOT bash the GP's where the exception. Pre-GP season the GP bashing was only a small fraction of the previous years on this board. Now the 'Euros' return the favour and they are dicks and have no respect for RV's adventure over the pond...

Give me fucking break.... Laughing
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to...
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.
Do you go to the races? It was just a few years back when Canard was telling the fans to shut up when bashing CP377.

America leads the way when it comes to chest pounding. Not all of us do it, but it's a pretty strong American trait.
geordieshaft 4/19/2015 3:44pm
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How many MX1 champs have went to the AMA ? Seems like it's the feeder class that go over to take your titles !
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It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV in a completely new series" Wink
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Fat Fingers wrote:
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway. Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me. What...
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway.

Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me.

What is evident is that if you a top rider who practices and races motocross full time on a variety of circuits, then only logic would suggest you will be faster than a top rider who only races motocross for 1/3 of the time on similar prepped tracks and spends the other 2/3 of the time at SX.
Park Boys wrote:
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used...
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used it to get an AMA ride....
Tortelli too Smile
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What, no I hadn't heard that
geordieshaft 4/19/2015 4:06pm
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It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV...
It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV in a completely new series" Wink
No, not really ! I really don't think anyone stateside at the moment could run Cairli down ! Only my opinion of course !
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It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV...
It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV in a completely new series" Wink
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No, not really ! I really don't think anyone stateside at the moment could run Cairli down ! Only my opinion of course !
Given that your evidence is limited to him only racing in the European series, it's not a very informed opinion! People were saying the same thing about RV (whom of which has had better success in the opposing series' tracks at MXdN before this year) and look at the growing pains he's going through!
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A top racer is a top racer regardless of the series. If the top GP racer like Herlings, or Cairoli came over they would instantly be a top guy battling for podiums in the outdoors and supercross.

Something all top level racers have is an insane amount of talent mixed with an amazing work ethic regardless of their country of origin or series they're competing in.

Something Donny Hansen once told me growing up was that, "The jumping part is the easy part, it's the other things that really matter" and I still strongly agree with that statement.

Just my opinions on the subject.
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watson wrote:
It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV...
It is pretty dumb logic. A much better argument: "Would Cairoli be dominating at the USA nationals, or going through the same growing pains as RV in a completely new series" Wink
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No, not really ! I really don't think anyone stateside at the moment could run Cairli down ! Only my opinion of course !
watson wrote:
Given that your evidence is limited to him only racing in the European series, it's not a very informed opinion! People were saying the same thing...
Given that your evidence is limited to him only racing in the European series, it's not a very informed opinion! People were saying the same thing about RV (whom of which has had better success in the opposing series' tracks at MXdN before this year) and look at the growing pains he's going through!
I'm sorry but a very young German guy, who came from the MX1 feeder class, is now your 450 champion ! Who else you got ?

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KennyT 4/19/2015 4:24pm
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I laughed when I read that post Michael. I was so tempted to get into it on the other thread when I saw it but decided to stay out of it.

It is just so hard for what appears to be people that are new to the sport to accept that there is in fact MX going on in the rest of the world and that there are some people other than Americans that are pretty good at it. I don't understand that mentality. When I was young my heroes were Decoster l, Robert, Bauer (sorry Steve...the other one, although u are kinda my hero), Mikkola, Weil etc.

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Fat Fingers wrote:
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway. Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me. What...
I haven't seen many GP riders get smoked at SX anyway.

Bayle, Pichon, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen didn't look too shabby to me.

What is evident is that if you a top rider who practices and races motocross full time on a variety of circuits, then only logic would suggest you will be faster than a top rider who only races motocross for 1/3 of the time on similar prepped tracks and spends the other 2/3 of the time at SX.
Park Boys wrote:
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used...
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used it to get an AMA ride....
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Tortelli too Smile
Yep, missed that on. The openers from 97 and 98 were both one by ex GP champs.
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Park Boys wrote:
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used...
Bayle,Roczen and Albertyn are the only GP guys to win a 450 SX race. Reed had no intention of staying in the GP's and only used it to get an AMA ride....
Sunhouse wrote:
Tortelli too Smile
Park Boys wrote:
Yep, missed that on. The openers from 97 and 98 were both one by ex GP champs.
Don't forget Vuillemin, he'll get mad!
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geordieshaft wrote:
No, not really ! I really don't think anyone stateside at the moment could run Cairli down ! Only my opinion of course !
watson wrote:
Given that your evidence is limited to him only racing in the European series, it's not a very informed opinion! People were saying the same thing...
Given that your evidence is limited to him only racing in the European series, it's not a very informed opinion! People were saying the same thing about RV (whom of which has had better success in the opposing series' tracks at MXdN before this year) and look at the growing pains he's going through!
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I'm sorry but a very young German guy, who came from the MX1 feeder class, is now your 450 champion ! Who else you got ?
You mean that guy who took two years to learn and acclimate to the USA National series (which took enormous balls, for sure) before winning a USA national championship, is your argument that Cairoli would come over here and clean up right away? Tongue
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Sunhouse wrote:
Tortelli too Smile
Park Boys wrote:
Yep, missed that on. The openers from 97 and 98 were both one by ex GP champs.
jamma10 wrote:
Don't forget Vuillemin, he'll get mad!
Forgot him too, he has the second most wins for a ex GP rider. (I don't consider Reed GP)
Sir Roostsalot 4/19/2015 4:54pm
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to...
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.
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Do you go to the races? It was just a few years back when Canard was telling the fans to shut up when bashing CP377. America...
Do you go to the races? It was just a few years back when Canard was telling the fans to shut up when bashing CP377.

America leads the way when it comes to chest pounding. Not all of us do it, but it's a pretty strong American trait.
Ok CP would be the exception but that is more of a USA vs France culture thing. Not USA vs Europe. My point is that there are lurkers on this website just waiting for the chance to stir the pot against RV. Was there a band of American posters celebrating when Tonus got hurt, I don't think so. Musquin has become a fan favorite and I don't think too many people would be posting negative shit if he got hurt. How about Freddie Noren, if he ran for President he might win the popular vote. My post is aimed at the aforementioned lurkers chomping at the bit to celebrate the fall of RV.
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Its not necessarily the racing, its the other side of the ocean that is the tough part. It doesn't matter if they come over here or we go over there, no one is going to dominate like they did in their homeland. Now, if you give it a year or two, then that may be different.
GeorgiePorgie 4/19/2015 4:59pm
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You couldn't post this in the thread it pertains to ?
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burn1986 4/19/2015 5:03pm
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Which one, there's like 5 or 6 of them? I just picked one to post my ground-breaking comment in.
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to...
But they do get smoked, at least at first. But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve. On the other hand, more than a few GP fans from Europe have not had the same sympathy for the recent effort of Ryan Villopoto's decision to cross the ocean and give GP's a try. I would say GP riders that come to America are embraced, welcomed and given the respect they deserve. With the exception of a few keyboard jockeys on this website ( I think you know who you are) I would hope the adverse is true.
amen !
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by percentage if you figure bayle, pichon, pourcel, reed, roczen and others against tohe total number of americans racing it seems to me the win percentage of euros is better than the americans win percentage even karsmakers won the first supercross championship
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[quote]But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced...
But the important fact is that American fans don't go bashing the Euros when they come to America and crash and get hurt and are faced with a steep learning curve
Are you serious??? Huh


You missed allot of GP bashing then. Fom MXDN to Musquin, and even the crowd favorite Roczen, got ALLOT of shit on this board when they moved over. GP riders in general got laughed at for YEARS by ALLOT of US fans on this board. Exception? US fans that did NOT bash the GP's where the exception. Pre-GP season the GP bashing was only a small fraction of the previous years on this board. Now the 'Euros' return the favour and they are dicks and have no respect for RV's adventure over the pond...

Give me fucking break.... Laughing
does it hurt your personal ego if the mxgp series got bashed by people with little to no knowledge? You know , and average GP´follower knows that the gp´s are great and good quality, why is it so important to trashtalk? People from both side of the pond talking shit. Pathetic to me.

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