Top 5 dirt bike racers of all time.

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gsxrcr28 3/31/2015 8:02pm
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Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross... USA? RC (15)...
Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross...

USA? RC (15), RV(9), MC(8), Ward/RJ(7), Hannah(6), JS/RD/MB(4)

Europe? Everts, Decoster, Cairoli, Geboers, Everts, Malherbe/Thorpe/Albee/Tortelli
Stewart has 5 National Titles, not counting the 2 East SX and West SX titles.

Edit: Where did you get these numbers from?
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Surprised that there is not more mention of this guy. Heikki Mikkola wasn't the superstar ambassador of the sport that Roger DeCoster was, but both Hannah and DeCoster probably would have listed him as their most fearsome competitor. Villipoto and Mikkola were cut from the same cloth - ferocious racers.
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When we say "dirt bike riders"...we should look at the guys, back in the day, that had to race multiple disciplines for a Grand National Title...
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Not going to make a full list but just want to state 3 things: 1. Sorry but MC doesn't belong on this list. One-trick pony. 2...
Not going to make a full list but just want to state 3 things:

1. Sorry but MC doesn't belong on this list. One-trick pony.
2. Everts for sure. That guy demonstrated he could win at any level and discipline. He would've been a formidable challenge in SX.
3. RV > RC. Any list that includes RC must include RV as well. I don't care if RV doesn't win the GP title, he has already proven more deserving of the title of GOAT than RC. I know many will dispute this and I don't care. RV was just as good outdoors, and better indoors. If he win's the GP title it will only cement his superiority.

This post is nuts on so many levels.

How is MC a one trick pony when he has SX/MX titles but Everts/TC222 aren't even though they don't race SX? MC has titles in two forms of racing while the Euros only have one. I don't get it?

Woulda coulda shoulda. Everts would have been great in SX based in what? I say MC would have been great at MXGP.

RC > RV any sane person would agree.

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1. RV
2. MC
3. RV
4.js7
5.AC
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Old timers:
DeCoster
Robert
Hannah
Mikkola
Dick Mann

Modern:
Carmichael
McGrath
Stewart
Villopoto
Reed/Dungey
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Crush 3/31/2015 10:22pm
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Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross... USA? RC (15)...
Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross...

USA? RC (15), RV(9), MC(8), Ward/RJ(7), Hannah(6), JS/RD/MB(4)

Europe? Everts, Decoster, Cairoli, Geboers, Everts, Malherbe/Thorpe/Albee/Tortelli
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Stewart has 5 National Titles, not counting the 2 East SX and West SX titles.

Edit: Where did you get these numbers from?
Top of my head...

2 SX, 2 National, oops, forgot his 08 450 National season... Move him up then. Obviously Stanton should be in there too with Hannah

Regional titles shouldn't be counted.
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Crush wrote:
Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross... USA? RC (15)...
Since it says Racers... Go by championships I think.... And it's pretty hard to compare Europe to USA seeing one doesn't do supercross...

USA? RC (15), RV(9), MC(8), Ward/RJ(7), Hannah(6), JS/RD/MB(4)

Europe? Everts, Decoster, Cairoli, Geboers, Everts, Malherbe/Thorpe/Albee/Tortelli
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Stewart has 5 National Titles, not counting the 2 East SX and West SX titles.

Edit: Where did you get these numbers from?
Crush wrote:
Top of my head... 2 SX, 2 National, oops, forgot his 08 450 National season... Move him up then. Obviously Stanton should be in there too...
Top of my head...

2 SX, 2 National, oops, forgot his 08 450 National season... Move him up then. Obviously Stanton should be in there too with Hannah

Regional titles shouldn't be counted.
Cool. I asked cause I thought RJ and Ward had 6 each, but you might be right.
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Such a tough topic as longevity should be a factor but I honestly feel some of the greatest talent did not have the most stellar careers.

I also feel the GP's are the true test of versatility in a racer so my list will be a little heavy with some Euros.

Roger Decoster
Stefan Everts
RC
Joel Robert
Bob Hannah

Now who I feel is the most naturally gifted and all out fastest ever- James Stewart. However some of his bonehead moves over the years kept him off my top 5 list.

Like to mention also some guys that could ride any motorcycle with incredible speed. Malcolm Smith, Steve Wise, Kenny Roberts
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Casellli should be up there.
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TeamGreen wrote:
When we say "dirt bike riders"...we should look at the guys, back in the day, that had to race multiple disciplines for a Grand National Title...
That's why I mentioned Bugsy.
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Yes. 50 sx wins and only 2 championships pretty much shows that. He was so much more talented rider than his competition for so long ,only...
Yes. 50 sx wins and only 2 championships pretty much shows that. He was so much more talented rider than his competition for so long ,only 3 titles is due to him being a mediocre racer. You guys really don't understand the difference between being a great rider and a great racer do you?
"The difference" is obviously subjective, so no need for the pious rhetoric.

After all, we've got guys on here gushing over off-roaders like Caselli, and what are those guys racing? Not each other, that's for sure.

Titles aren't super indicative of racing ability, I don't think. Good racers win races, which is what James Stewart does.

I will say though that lack of patience is somethnng that does make me shake my head. Tomac trying to pinch off Anderson going into the 90* before the triple in St. Louis and not getting it done and having to double, ruining his shot at going after Dungey. JMart doing the same thing weeks before. Roczen's big case job, too. Stewart's impatience on the first lap has been perhaps his biggest weakness, other than backwards Yamahas.
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Modern Day:
1. Villo
2. RC
3. Dungey
4. AC222
5. JS7
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"The difference" is obviously subjective, so no need for the pious rhetoric. After all, we've got guys on here gushing over off-roaders like Caselli, and what...
"The difference" is obviously subjective, so no need for the pious rhetoric.

After all, we've got guys on here gushing over off-roaders like Caselli, and what are those guys racing? Not each other, that's for sure.

Titles aren't super indicative of racing ability, I don't think. Good racers win races, which is what James Stewart does.

I will say though that lack of patience is somethnng that does make me shake my head. Tomac trying to pinch off Anderson going into the 90* before the triple in St. Louis and not getting it done and having to double, ruining his shot at going after Dungey. JMart doing the same thing weeks before. Roczen's big case job, too. Stewart's impatience on the first lap has been perhaps his biggest weakness, other than backwards Yamahas.
Titles aren't super indicative of racing ability?

Right.
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JS7 is a great rider but a mediocre racer and doesn't belong near any of the best RACER lists, I think its odd that you idolize...
JS7 is a great rider but a mediocre racer and doesn't belong near any of the best RACER lists, I think its odd that you idolize pro riders so much that you actually think their opinion means more than anybody elses. Many former pros are biased as we are . You have some "hero" issues.

1 RC
2 Everts
3 MC
4 RV
5 Cairoli
If you believe that Stewart has been a mediocre racer, you're being pretty silly. That guy probably went faster and raced better than anyone ever has on a 125, even with 250 four strokes becoming the advantage that they are in that class. Perhaps you are just new to the sport, perhaps you just don't like Stewart, perhaps you're just being an idiot. Either way, you're saying something that just sounds completely silly.
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Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
"The difference" is obviously subjective, so no need for the pious rhetoric. After all, we've got guys on here gushing over off-roaders like Caselli, and what...
"The difference" is obviously subjective, so no need for the pious rhetoric.

After all, we've got guys on here gushing over off-roaders like Caselli, and what are those guys racing? Not each other, that's for sure.

Titles aren't super indicative of racing ability, I don't think. Good racers win races, which is what James Stewart does.

I will say though that lack of patience is somethnng that does make me shake my head. Tomac trying to pinch off Anderson going into the 90* before the triple in St. Louis and not getting it done and having to double, ruining his shot at going after Dungey. JMart doing the same thing weeks before. Roczen's big case job, too. Stewart's impatience on the first lap has been perhaps his biggest weakness, other than backwards Yamahas.
Crush wrote:
Titles aren't super indicative of racing ability?

Right.
Do you think Jeremy Martin has been a better racer than Kevin Windham? Martin has a National title, Windham doesn't.
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What about guys like;

Stéphane Peterhansel

Cyril Despres

Marc Coma

?
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Detroit Dick wrote:
NPO DeCoster Hanna Malcom Smith John Penton Bubba Stewart Obviously, RC, MC, RV, TC, RJ, MAGOO, Pomeroy,Lackey, Robert, etc.... I chose my 5 for the impact...
NPO
DeCoster
Hanna
Malcom Smith
John Penton
Bubba Stewart

Obviously, RC, MC, RV, TC, RJ, MAGOO, Pomeroy,Lackey, Robert, etc....
I chose my 5 for the impact they had on our sport, but there's been so many greats it's impossible to choose only 5.
Gotta add Mouse Mcoy (ever seen Dust to Glory? AMAZING) Kurt Caselli & Al Baker.
This.

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Only the ones i watched in my time, can't say about past racers, Carmichael, McGrath, Cairoli, Everts, Villopoto... No particular order, slight edge for Carmichael obviously and Cairoli, who's better than legendary Everts, had harder competition, Villopoto being RC successor, and The King just for being SX master and defining a new era... James "Bubba" Stewart honorable mention for the sheer talent and style...
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Ehh nevermind
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If you believe that Stewart has been a mediocre racer, you're being pretty silly. That guy probably went faster and raced better than anyone ever has...
If you believe that Stewart has been a mediocre racer, you're being pretty silly. That guy probably went faster and raced better than anyone ever has on a 125, even with 250 four strokes becoming the advantage that they are in that class. Perhaps you are just new to the sport, perhaps you just don't like Stewart, perhaps you're just being an idiot. Either way, you're saying something that just sounds completely silly.
Of course it sounds silly to you. You have no understanding of the difference between guys that win only on riding ability vs guys that win ,even against superior talent, because of racecraft, self control, and the ability to manage a race season when things don't always come easy. There are better racers getting 5th place,but maximizing their potential, than some of the "top" pros that rarely see their potential. As I said, people like you don't comprehend the difference.
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No particular order:

McGrath

Decoster

Carmichael

Everts

Stewart
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Racecraft and managing a series:

1. RC
2. RV
3. MC
4. SE72
5. AC222

"eye of the beholder best"Laughing

1. JS7
2. MC
3. RC
4. SE72
5. JMB

? Out of James' biggest rivals(RC, CR, RV) how many times has James straight up passed(and you know what I mean) them in a race and vice versa? Serious question!Whistling Wink
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1. Rick Melon
2. Billy Robinson
3. Broc Glover
4. KC Karlyle
5. Rowdy Sparks
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rcm406 wrote:
Racecraft and managing a series: 1. RC 2. RV 3. MC 4. SE72 5. AC222 "eye of the beholder best":laugh: 1. JS7 2. MC 3. RC...
Racecraft and managing a series:

1. RC
2. RV
3. MC
4. SE72
5. AC222

"eye of the beholder best"Laughing

1. JS7
2. MC
3. RC
4. SE72
5. JMB

? Out of James' biggest rivals(RC, CR, RV) how many times has James straight up passed(and you know what I mean) them in a race and vice versa? Serious question!Whistling Wink
This is pretty accurate.
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Crush 4/1/2015 4:29pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Do you think Jeremy Martin has been a better racer than Kevin Windham? Martin has a National title, Windham doesn't.
At the crux of it, 3 years into their pro-careers Martin managed to win enough races, avoid dramas and win a major title - He did everything better than his competition... KW didn't...

BUT

If you think comparing sample sizes after almost a 20 year career and a few is a good way to do it, or even worth the post, then I don't know what to tell you...
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Top 5 Racers

R Carmichael - just the GOAT
S Everts - no need to explain
J Salminen - calm, professional, talented and devastatingly effective
T Cairoli - this man knows how to win championships better than anyone
D Knight - rough, talented, brutal and very effective
almost made it - Coma, Smets, Bailey and Dungey

Top 5 Talent

1. James Stewart - in my opinion by a long, long way
2. J.M. Bayle - astonishing timing
3. Paul Edmondson - ISDE GOAT, 5 world championships and a good example of why the stuff Stoner mentioned about rider/team dynamics is valid.
4. Johnson & McGrath - just cos they're my favourite guys after Stewart
5. Toni Bou (ok, he's a trials guy so doesn't really race but Youtube says it all with this guy)

Tomac, Herlings and Russel are on their way to Top 5 list sometime soon.







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No votes for Scotty Parker?

Expand your horizons folks.
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So many to choose from
One guy comes to mind Broc Glover, the stuff he was on, and beat the guys of that era come on
now that amazing
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1. RC
2. Stefan Everts
3. Ryan Villopoto
4. James Stewart
5. Jeremy McGrath

Not the most agreeable, but I'll run with that for now.

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