What's eating Ryan Villopoto?

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Rick M. 3/29/2015 6:39pm
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You defending him hurts him more than helps FYI
mikebrownsound 3/29/2015 6:40pm
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What points exactly do you agree with him ? 3 RV made a desicision to not follow standard GP team protocol and bypassed the pre-season completely even though he is a rookie and has no knowledge or track time with any of the riders or teams he will compete against. That one was good yeah but he was wrong in many others.
mikebrownsound 3/29/2015 6:43pm
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What was wrong with my prediction? I had a smorgabord of Tony, Clement, deDyker (oops) Nagl and Jeffrey, Dylan and Lieber(oops) and I upped RV from...
What was wrong with my prediction? I had a smorgabord of Tony, Clement, deDyker (oops) Nagl and Jeffrey, Dylan and Lieber(oops) and I upped RV from a lower top ten to a 4-6th because Tommy & Strijbos were not available.Not bad?
wtf if is smorgabord?

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KennyT wrote:
Why is it so hard for people to believe that RV is just not as fast as his competition. Today he was 4th fastest in the...
Why is it so hard for people to believe that RV is just not as fast as his competition. Today he was 4th fastest in the GP class he was racing, why is that not an acceptable answer?
It is, but you have to notice that he's chasing setup right now too. 20 seconds down 1st moto, and only 5 second the 2nd moto tells me something. Personally, I think this is the most enjoyment I've ever got watching motocross. Maybe Canard will go next year.. lol
Dick Trickle 3/29/2015 6:45pm
3/29/2015 6:45pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 6:48pm
I have read all the posts on this "whats eating RV thread" People mentioning lack of race time, new series, fitness, setup (correct), faster series, slower series etc... No one mentioned his qualifying race on a perfect track. Everyone was giving it 100% and RV set the fastest lap time at 1.46.5 and went from 10th to within a second of first. It rains over night, the track changes and gets more cut up. Nothing else has changed. First moto and RV is off the pace and comes back shaking his head, In between moto's they changed his bike setup then comes out second moto to stay within a few seconds of the leaders at the end.
Logic dictates that a major factor in Argentina was that he struggled with Bike Setup for changing conditions.



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I sure as hell hope that RV jumped on Vital via a satellite connection right after the race, to see just how badly he disappointed his Vital fan base (all 50) today!....man, what a jerk!








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ts.p311 3/29/2015 6:47pm
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I dont think "The source" knows either.

smor·gas·bord
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a buffet offering a variety of hot and cold meats, salads, hors d'oeuvres, etc.
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ts.p311 wrote:
I dont think "The source" knows either. smor·gas·bord ˈsmôrɡəsˌbôrd/ noun a buffet offering a variety of hot and cold meats, salads, hors d'oeuvres, etc. a wide...
I dont think "The source" knows either.

smor·gas·bord
ˈsmôrɡəsˌbôrd/
noun
a buffet offering a variety of hot and cold meats, salads, hors d'oeuvres, etc.
a wide range of something; a variety.
haha wtf , what language is that?
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When and why did they shorten it to 25 minutes? I remember 45 +2.
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Just read an interview w aldon baker. He said what villopoto has always said. That training was a drag for
Poto and it was a fight all the time. Soooo i dont think its a stretch to say fitness is a big part. Hes fast in the qualifying and practice. Looks like he doesnt have the go juice for the whole
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Only a few ? Try 80%+ American posters.
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Stefan82 3/29/2015 7:01pm
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mikebrownsound wrote:
Most part? Or some certain individuals ? Cause i think the average american thought it would be a hard battle. Reality check? Ryan is what 17...
Most part? Or some certain individuals ? Cause i think the average american thought it would be a hard battle. Reality check? Ryan is what 17 points behind in his first series ever in europe already have a overall and won a moto. Why do alot of europeans talk like he is in 15 th place doing shit?
Not exactly sure how many but normally the GPs are underrated although that might already have changed by now. Btw he's 27 points behind and the European tracks are ahead which should favour AC/CD/MN/GP/RF.
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ChrisB10 3/29/2015 7:07pm
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Villo is getting too excited. Less is more on these tracks.....you have to be smooth and roll the throttle
mikebrownsound 3/29/2015 7:07pm
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Not exactly sure how many but normally the GPs are underrated although that might already have changed by now. Btw he's 27 points behind and the...
Not exactly sure how many but normally the GPs are underrated although that might already have changed by now. Btw he's 27 points behind and the European tracks are ahead which should favour AC/CD/MN/GP/RF.
Maybe because of MXDN and as far as i know america got the most wins. And the money is here not in europe because of supercross?

I still personaly believe the best series is in america. (personal opinion) people can argue back and forth how much they want everybody got their personal taste.

27 points is not much, but ofc the tracks that you been riding on before is a advantage for you why would it not be? But he is still close enough to make a charge.
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Dick Trickle 3/29/2015 7:07pm
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Just read an interview w aldon baker. He said what villopoto has always said. That training was a drag for Poto and it was a fight...
Just read an interview w aldon baker. He said what villopoto has always said. That training was a drag for
Poto and it was a fight all the time. Soooo i dont think its a stretch to say fitness is a big part. Hes fast in the qualifying and practice. Looks like he doesnt have the go juice for the whole
Moto
I would agree with you to a certain degree as qualifying is only 25 mins compared to the moto which is 35. But during qualifying and within that 25 mins, RV went from 10th to 2nd and was gaining on AC and looked to still have plenty of juice in the tank. Next day during the moto, after the changed track conditions and what i believe is a bad bike set up, he can't even stay with the leaders at any time during the race and drops off by 20 seconds. Next moto, after changing the bike, he is up there fighting for 3rd and within a few seconds of the leader.
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PastranaWho 3/29/2015 7:11pm
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edgo897 wrote:
We didn't send our best guy. Dungy would smoke that field
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Are you freaking serious! Dungey would be smoking everybody? When did Dungey ever beat RV in the outdoors for a championship? I have nothing but respect...
Are you freaking serious! Dungey would be smoking everybody? When did Dungey ever beat RV in the outdoors for a championship? I have nothing but respect for the Dunge, but the euro's have been slapping him silly the past few years at the MXdN. NO WAY would Dungey be doing better than RV at this point of the series.
You must be new here, you know edgo is just being a troll.

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Tradmark wrote:
Just read an interview w aldon baker. He said what villopoto has always said. That training was a drag for Poto and it was a fight...
Just read an interview w aldon baker. He said what villopoto has always said. That training was a drag for
Poto and it was a fight all the time. Soooo i dont think its a stretch to say fitness is a big part. Hes fast in the qualifying and practice. Looks like he doesnt have the go juice for the whole
Moto
Dick Trickle wrote:
I would agree with you to a certain degree as qualifying is only 25 mins compared to the moto which is 35. But during qualifying and...
I would agree with you to a certain degree as qualifying is only 25 mins compared to the moto which is 35. But during qualifying and within that 25 mins, RV went from 10th to 2nd and was gaining on AC and looked to still have plenty of juice in the tank. Next day during the moto, after the changed track conditions and what i believe is a bad bike set up, he can't even stay with the leaders at any time during the race and drops off by 20 seconds. Next moto, after changing the bike, he is up there fighting for 3rd and within a few seconds of the leader.
I think both of you are right, I just hope he doesn't chase settings all year. It's also obvious just by looking at RV, that he has put on some weight.
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Stefan82 3/29/2015 7:12pm
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I almost seem to remember Ryan being so much faster at the last mxdn he ran that he got to wait around for Dungey so they...
I almost seem to remember Ryan being so much faster at the last mxdn he ran that he got to wait around for Dungey so they could cross the finish together. But some of you are right. Those same guys are just way better than him.
Stop comparing MXDN with MXGP, it's like comparing a complete SX season with the Monster Energy Cup.
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willie838 3/29/2015 7:15pm
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from jump street i knew this was a super tall order

culture shock
injury return
new tracks
different riding styles.

His fast point and shoot american style has him pretty competitive with the best gp riders in the world, already winning an overall.

there are some points on the argentinian track though where you could see that the leaders were able to carry their momentum better and those spots were the deciding points.

he's very fast, he's very fit and he's not an easy out for anybody.

hats off to the gp riders though, they're showing the world why the argument has always raged about who was better. They're right on par with the best american rider. No excuses.
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FARANG 3/29/2015 7:15pm
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RV is doing OK, pretty much what many of us with knowledge of the GP's expected. 27 points is a lot considering that 2 tracks were brand new to the whole field but he had some bad luck in Qatar or it would be less than that. Speed wise he looks pretty good.

He will improve but so will the others. Heading into Europe now where the other top riders have experience with the tracks. Could get tough for RV but I hope he gets some better results to keep the Americans interested. I think he'll be top 5 (minimum) most weeks with some podiums and moto wins as well. I don't think he will win the title though. Maybe third/fourth behind Cairoli, Desalle/Nagl. It's great to have him in the series though, total respect.
mikebrownsound 3/29/2015 7:15pm
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Stop comparing MXDN with MXGP, it's like comparing a complete SX season with the Monster Energy Cup.
What did you not understand ? MXDN is the reason why some americans dont have as much respect for the MXGP series cause its been america dominating that event . And people over here still breathing of carmichael, and there was also a reason why the european or gp riders choose to go to america, better money and they belive the best series was over there and it may still be who knows but i dont like to compare cause they are two different series and both got the characteristics
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Dick Trickle wrote:
I have read all the posts on this "whats eating RV thread" People mentioning lack of race time, new series, fitness, setup (correct), faster series, slower...
I have read all the posts on this "whats eating RV thread" People mentioning lack of race time, new series, fitness, setup (correct), faster series, slower series etc... No one mentioned his qualifying race on a perfect track. Everyone was giving it 100% and RV set the fastest lap time at 1.46.5 and went from 10th to within a second of first. It rains over night, the track changes and gets more cut up. Nothing else has changed. First moto and RV is off the pace and comes back shaking his head, In between moto's they changed his bike setup then comes out second moto to stay within a few seconds of the leaders at the end.
Logic dictates that a major factor in Argentina was that he struggled with Bike Setup for changing conditions.



you are putting waaaaay too much importance on the qualifying races.... no way are those guys giving 100%
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Stefan82 3/29/2015 7:25pm
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Stefan82 wrote:
Stop comparing MXDN with MXGP, it's like comparing a complete SX season with the Monster Energy Cup.
mikebrownsound wrote:
What did you not understand ? MXDN is the reason why some americans dont have as much respect for the MXGP series cause its been america...
What did you not understand ? MXDN is the reason why some americans dont have as much respect for the MXGP series cause its been america dominating that event . And people over here still breathing of carmichael, and there was also a reason why the european or gp riders choose to go to america, better money and they belive the best series was over there and it may still be who knows but i dont like to compare cause they are two different series and both got the characteristics
The MXDN can only be won if you have three good riders and most European nations don't have that so that's why USA is able to dominate if Belgium and France doesn't win it.

Roczen wanted to go there, don't think it was all about the money. For Musquin and Tonus they didn't liked to move up to MXGP so they stayed on 250 bikes and went to the US.
mikebrownsound 3/29/2015 7:35pm
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The MXDN can only be won if you have three good riders and most European nations don't have that so that's why USA is able to...
The MXDN can only be won if you have three good riders and most European nations don't have that so that's why USA is able to dominate if Belgium and France doesn't win it.

Roczen wanted to go there, don't think it was all about the money. For Musquin and Tonus they didn't liked to move up to MXGP so they stayed on 250 bikes and went to the US.
Grant Langston wanted to come here, Greg Albertyn, Pichon, Vuillemin, Tortelli ,the list goes on and on, money and believe that the best series and racing was here, nothing wrong with that, or does that make some europeans upset that americans belive their series is better than the gp? It seems almost to personal? I do personaly dislike the people who trashtalk no matter wich side of the pond they are. Like i said in my previous comment, AMA Series / MXGP got their own style and both are good. It feels to me like this was a good oppurtunity for some european people to smack talk back now when RV is not first in the series, idk why.
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sandtrack315 3/29/2015 7:40pm
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He lost by 4.7 seconds, right?

Maybe my math is wrong but...

(60/4.7)/35.07 = 0.364

So he's about a third of a percent off the leader's pace in his third race in MX-GP, coming through traffic. I would say nothing is wrong with him, he's just racing with the *some of* best in the world in a new situation after a long time off. He will battle for wins the whole season, just as he has been doing.

Today was an awesome race--the top 4 riders finish within 5 seconds of each other after a long moto. I wish they had battled a bit, but that will happen.

Why do people care so much if an American wins? It's not like America gets a big check every time Villapoto wins...it doesn't have any impact on one person on this board. Just enjoy the racing.
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Stefan82 3/29/2015 7:46pm
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Stefan82 wrote:
The MXDN can only be won if you have three good riders and most European nations don't have that so that's why USA is able to...
The MXDN can only be won if you have three good riders and most European nations don't have that so that's why USA is able to dominate if Belgium and France doesn't win it.

Roczen wanted to go there, don't think it was all about the money. For Musquin and Tonus they didn't liked to move up to MXGP so they stayed on 250 bikes and went to the US.
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Grant Langston wanted to come here, Greg Albertyn, Pichon, Vuillemin, Tortelli ,the list goes on and on, money and believe that the best series and racing...
Grant Langston wanted to come here, Greg Albertyn, Pichon, Vuillemin, Tortelli ,the list goes on and on, money and believe that the best series and racing was here, nothing wrong with that, or does that make some europeans upset that americans belive their series is better than the gp? It seems almost to personal? I do personaly dislike the people who trashtalk no matter wich side of the pond they are. Like i said in my previous comment, AMA Series / MXGP got their own style and both are good. It feels to me like this was a good oppurtunity for some european people to smack talk back now when RV is not first in the series, idk why.
Greg Albertijn could've taken some more titles if he would've stayed, I really didn't like it when he left but nowadays you can easily follow all the series while back then I only had Paris Bercy SX once a year where I got to see guys like Stanton, McGrath, Emig, Ward. I'm getting old.

I think most went to challenge themselves against the Americans, probably also the money.
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He lost by 4.7 seconds, right? Maybe my math is wrong but... (60/4.7)/35.07 = 0.364 So he's about a third of a percent off the leader's...
He lost by 4.7 seconds, right?

Maybe my math is wrong but...

(60/4.7)/35.07 = 0.364

So he's about a third of a percent off the leader's pace in his third race in MX-GP, coming through traffic. I would say nothing is wrong with him, he's just racing with the *some of* best in the world in a new situation after a long time off. He will battle for wins the whole season, just as he has been doing.

Today was an awesome race--the top 4 riders finish within 5 seconds of each other after a long moto. I wish they had battled a bit, but that will happen.

Why do people care so much if an American wins? It's not like America gets a big check every time Villapoto wins...it doesn't have any impact on one person on this board. Just enjoy the racing.
and the first moto was by over 20 secoonds right? so whats the fancy math of 20 secons behind the race winner?
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Haha....you looney bastard! LMFAOI!

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