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3/29/2015 2:15pm
mumhra wrote:
You won't get an apologie from him. He's a sad excuse for a motorcross fan. According to him euro riders are pussies. Sorry, only one pussie...
You won't get an apologie from him. He's a sad excuse for a motorcross fan. According to him euro riders are pussies. Sorry, only one pussie on this board lol.

Anyway, some great races today. I expected Villo to podium today but sadly he didn't. His second moto was a lot better so he is working in the right direction. He will again podium this year and he will also again win some GP's. Maybe he can win the championship. Nothing is lost just yet, but it won't be easy. Cairoli will only get stronger and stronger. His favorite tracks are coming up.
I have no idea what is wrong with Villo but i must agree, something looks off. I still think he should've done some pre-season races. Just to check the competition. When i said so before the championship began everybody kept saying that Ryan does not need those pre-season races. He has never done them in the USA so why should he start doing them now ? Well, it would've helped i think. He could've checked out the real speed of the GP riders instead of sparring against a guy that is barel capabale of a top 20 position. What happened to Ratters ? I still remember him becoming world champion on that KTM125 against a field of 250f's. He was incredible back then.
Erm, Tyla became world champion in 2008, on a fourstroke... 2004 was the last season he rode a 125cc
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3/29/2015 2:20pm
mccread wrote:
RV is fine... he is very fast like he always is when the track is smooth and suits his USA style - wide open. But this...
RV is fine... he is very fast like he always is when the track is smooth and suits his USA style - wide open.

But this is the world championship... every track is different and you are going to different countries every week and it's rougher. Being wide open doesn't always work... you have to be versatile, that's what makes you the best in the world. That's why AC is currently the best... he has all the pieces of the puzzle.

You can never claim a guy winning his own national championship is the best in the world until he does it in the World Championship - it's the toughest outdoor series in the world.

RV can still win this title but he needs to become more versatile with his riding and quickly, his one dimensional style works in the USA or on tracks that suit him but this GP series is the a different ballgame. He is good enough to figure it out and it will make him a better rider but he is 25 points down to Desalle already, he needs to come out swinging next moto!
PabstBR11 wrote:
All this talk of winning AMA championships being 2nd rate to the gp title is crazy to me. I don't think you have to win the...
All this talk of winning AMA championships being 2nd rate to the gp title is crazy to me. I don't think you have to win the gp title on any year to be the best in the world. So whoever won the gp title in the same years rc was winning or Hannah, RJ was better than them since they didn't go over and ride the gps???
h&m_cycle wrote:
The GP'S are WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS PabstBR11
So whoever won the gp title when rc was winning outdoor titles was better since they were the MXGP champ?
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3/29/2015 2:21pm
Insider347 wrote:
Great day of racing. Much respect Nagl, AC, CD, and RV hung in there in 2nd moto. One thing, the GOAT would not allow this to...
Great day of racing. Much respect Nagl, AC, CD, and RV hung in there in 2nd moto.

One thing, the GOAT would not allow this to happen. If he got 4th in moto 1 he would have destroyed any field of riders on this planet In moto 2.
Sidecar wrote:
Who? I don't remember this guy.... What year did he come and race a season in GPs? That's why I DO have a massive amount of...
Who? I don't remember this guy.... What year did he come and race a season in GPs? That's why I DO have a massive amount of respect and admiration for RV.
I guess you failed reading comprehension. I said "IF" fucktard.
I must have missed something because I didn't see AC go to USA for series. What year did he go? I did see him in 07 at Budds and no disrespect to him, but he got waxed by RV.
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3/29/2015 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 2:44pm
PabstBR11 wrote:
All this talk of winning AMA championships being 2nd rate to the gp title is crazy to me. I don't think you have to win the...
All this talk of winning AMA championships being 2nd rate to the gp title is crazy to me. I don't think you have to win the gp title on any year to be the best in the world. So whoever won the gp title in the same years rc was winning or Hannah, RJ was better than them since they didn't go over and ride the gps???
h&m_cycle wrote:
The GP'S are WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS PabstBR11
PabstBR11 wrote:
So whoever won the gp title when rc was winning outdoor titles was better since they were the MXGP champ?
Yes, Pabst, it's the WORLD MOTOCROSS series, not the OUTDOOR U.S. SUPERCROSS series.

look @ the UTAH national, it's inside a car track, look @ the Daytona Supercross it's inside a car track

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3/29/2015 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 2:50pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
The GP'S are WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS PabstBR11
PabstBR11 wrote:
So whoever won the gp title when rc was winning outdoor titles was better since they were the MXGP champ?
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yes, Pabst, it's the WORLD MOTOCROSS series, not the OUTDOOR U.S. SUPERCROSS series. look @ the UTAH national, it's inside a car track, look @ the...
Yes, Pabst, it's the WORLD MOTOCROSS series, not the OUTDOOR U.S. SUPERCROSS series.

look @ the UTAH national, it's inside a car track, look @ the Daytona Supercross it's inside a car track

Thats why RC and Everts lined up behind a gate 5 times in the same class and the damnedest thing happened RC spanked Everts every time.... hell two of the races RC was on a turd 03 250 two stroke vs a works 500 four stroke and he still got smoked in his backyard.
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3/29/2015 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 2:48pm
That_Guy wrote:
but can't beat those slow euros
Frog #1 wrote:
He hasn't raced outdoors Nationals since 2013, he traveled to a the GP's for his final year of racing before retirement. He has to deal with...
He hasn't raced outdoors Nationals since 2013, he traveled to a the GP's for his final year of racing before retirement. He has to deal with new everything. Could any of the rider riders in front of him not raced GP's since 2013 come and race that small Nationals series Wink in the US and win? No
The Source wrote:
RV is not racing in the "Natioals" , they have no place in the discussion. You are in the World Championship now.
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop.

Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia, etc.

Even McCread says over and over the two championships are on the same level. Which of course means half of the best riders in the world do not participate in the "world" championship. A championship where in 2014 95% of the top 20 riders were European and 13 of 17 races were in Europe.

It's the European championship, organized by a European company, with 3 or 4 "flyaway" races to generally garbage tracks, where the same 95% European riders ride.

It is the "world" championships in name only, and your weak attempt at trying to make the U.S. nationals look like an inferior series only makes you look like more a fool than you really are.

Which is quite a feat when you think about it.
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RV is doing great while he gets his race legs back under him. He was off bike for awhile. Super proud of his finishes while he works back into it. Can't wait to see him when his physical and mental race prowess gets to 100%. Gonna be super exciting then. Keep it up RV, almost there.
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Look her fellas. I'm American through and through. Once a year I put on my stars and stripes and become a patriotic fantard. That's what MXoN was created for. The rest of the time I'm a fan of MOTOCROSS. I don't recognize nationality. If an American wins that's just a bonus. I just want to see guys riding dirtbikes to the nthdegree. And so far that's what I'm seeing. If you're only rooting for one guy you're probably gonna be disappointed and bitter. Would any of you attend a gp and talk this shit with others in the beer tent? Or would you laugh and hug and be amazed at the spectacle you had just witnessed? Try doing the same here on the board and we can all have a better time. Yes I've been to the GP's. I was there at Farleigh Castle when Brad won for the first time. I was wearing a stars/stripes t-shirt and not only got no grief but couldn't pay for a beer and my back was sore from all the slaps....like I had won the race. We're all in this together fellas....ain't it great!
3/29/2015 2:52pm
Frog #1 wrote:
He hasn't raced outdoors Nationals since 2013, he traveled to a the GP's for his final year of racing before retirement. He has to deal with...
He hasn't raced outdoors Nationals since 2013, he traveled to a the GP's for his final year of racing before retirement. He has to deal with new everything. Could any of the rider riders in front of him not raced GP's since 2013 come and race that small Nationals series Wink in the US and win? No
The Source wrote:
RV is not racing in the "Natioals" , they have no place in the discussion. You are in the World Championship now.
pilotdude wrote:
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop. Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia...
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop.

Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia, etc.

Even McCread says over and over the two championships are on the same level. Which of course means half of the best riders in the world do not participate in the "world" championship. A championship where in 2014 95% of the top 20 riders were European and 13 of 17 races were in Europe.

It's the European championship, organized by a European company, with 3 or 4 "flyaway" races to generally garbage tracks, where the same 95% European riders ride.

It is the "world" championships in name only, and your weak attempt at trying to make the U.S. nationals look like an inferior series only makes you look like more a fool than you really are.

Which is quite a feat when you think about it.
Europe isn't a country.
3/29/2015 2:55pm
Dry Paint wrote:
Europe isn't a country.
You could almost believe it was cause of the bullshit hate between AC / RV
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plowboy wrote:
Look her fellas. I'm American through and through. Once a year I put on my stars and stripes and become a patriotic fantard. That's what MXoN...
Look her fellas. I'm American through and through. Once a year I put on my stars and stripes and become a patriotic fantard. That's what MXoN was created for. The rest of the time I'm a fan of MOTOCROSS. I don't recognize nationality. If an American wins that's just a bonus. I just want to see guys riding dirtbikes to the nthdegree. And so far that's what I'm seeing. If you're only rooting for one guy you're probably gonna be disappointed and bitter. Would any of you attend a gp and talk this shit with others in the beer tent? Or would you laugh and hug and be amazed at the spectacle you had just witnessed? Try doing the same here on the board and we can all have a better time. Yes I've been to the GP's. I was there at Farleigh Castle when Brad won for the first time. I was wearing a stars/stripes t-shirt and not only got no grief but couldn't pay for a beer and my back was sore from all the slaps....like I had won the race. We're all in this together fellas....ain't it great!
That is the best post I have read on here for a loooong time. Awesome!

The amount of shit talking, cheap name calling, and butt-hurt shit talking in return in these threads is truly nauseating, from all sides. Pretty sad. No sense in being an A-hole if you don't show it though I guess....
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3/29/2015 3:06pm
Not disagreeing with you buddy but yer not helping the vibe. Rubbing salt is the low road.
3/29/2015 3:13pm
I'm going to catch major shit for this, but I haven't been too impressed with AC. Granted it's only round 3 but he hasn't done anything that puts him apart from the others.
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The Source wrote:
RV is not racing in the "Natioals" , they have no place in the discussion. You are in the World Championship now.
pilotdude wrote:
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop. Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia...
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop.

Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia, etc.

Even McCread says over and over the two championships are on the same level. Which of course means half of the best riders in the world do not participate in the "world" championship. A championship where in 2014 95% of the top 20 riders were European and 13 of 17 races were in Europe.

It's the European championship, organized by a European company, with 3 or 4 "flyaway" races to generally garbage tracks, where the same 95% European riders ride.

It is the "world" championships in name only, and your weak attempt at trying to make the U.S. nationals look like an inferior series only makes you look like more a fool than you really are.

Which is quite a feat when you think about it.
Dry Paint wrote:
Europe isn't a country.
Right. It is a continent. Similar in size and population to the United States.

Genius.
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pilotdude wrote:
Right. It is a continent. Similar in size and population to the United States.

Genius.
Uhm Europe as a whole has a population of over 700 million. You really sound dumb right now, it is a world championship because it goes to tons of different countrys and more than 1 continent.
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This was a great race but a weird track that punished hard when being ridden too hard. I think rv is searching for places to unleash his aggressive riding style which he is a master at. Problem is there are few places like that on gp tracks. Being aggressive in the right way on these tracks is something else. You need to work a lot with your legs and keep your weight as much in the center as possible. Herlings is the best example in my opinion. It is something different than US nationals. It is not easy for RV to learn. This track was new to everyone, but the grip was nothing like AMA so perhaps it was a bigger challenge for Ryan?

AC among others had problem with the grip and therefore confidence. He did good but not great, but he will win many races and is in a good Position leaving the fly aways.

Nagl and Desalle will be strong every weekend. Nagls bike looks incredible good.

Paulin and Rattray can not be happy after 3 rounds. This is not A new environment for them and I certainly expected more from #21.
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3/29/2015 3:31pm
plowboy wrote:
Look her fellas. I'm American through and through. Once a year I put on my stars and stripes and become a patriotic fantard. That's what MXoN...
Look her fellas. I'm American through and through. Once a year I put on my stars and stripes and become a patriotic fantard. That's what MXoN was created for. The rest of the time I'm a fan of MOTOCROSS. I don't recognize nationality. If an American wins that's just a bonus. I just want to see guys riding dirtbikes to the nthdegree. And so far that's what I'm seeing. If you're only rooting for one guy you're probably gonna be disappointed and bitter. Would any of you attend a gp and talk this shit with others in the beer tent? Or would you laugh and hug and be amazed at the spectacle you had just witnessed? Try doing the same here on the board and we can all have a better time. Yes I've been to the GP's. I was there at Farleigh Castle when Brad won for the first time. I was wearing a stars/stripes t-shirt and not only got no grief but couldn't pay for a beer and my back was sore from all the slaps....like I had won the race. We're all in this together fellas....ain't it great!
Yep,that's where its at,accept its damn hard to go anywhere out of your comfortzone,someone's going too be elated one day,disappointed another,the racing has been great,we've have 4 Moto winners,there's a lot of solid guys out there to bring it

I was there too that day actually and looked through all those race tents in awe and hope of catching a glimpse of my heroes and maybe an autograph,Silly heck I would have probably bought you a beer in the tent,of the pub up the hill too but i couldnt see over the bar back then Smile
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Park Boys wrote:
Thats why RC and Everts lined up behind a gate 5 times in the same class and the damnedest thing happened RC spanked Everts every time...
Thats why RC and Everts lined up behind a gate 5 times in the same class and the damnedest thing happened RC spanked Everts every time.... hell two of the races RC was on a turd 03 250 two stroke vs a works 500 four stroke and he still got smoked in his backyard.
please rephrase that man, Rc beat him on a lighter, cheaper, cooler and better sounding bike. It smelled better too.
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Dry Paint wrote:
Europe isn't a country.
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I'm going to catch major shit for this, but I haven't been too impressed with AC. Granted it's only round 3 but he hasn't done anything...
I'm going to catch major shit for this, but I haven't been too impressed with AC. Granted it's only round 3 but he hasn't done anything that puts him apart from the others.
No flack here but you got to see its only round 3. The season is long and the main part of the season kicks in in the middle of the year. AC's strength is he is super consistent and delivers at the right time... he knows how to win a championship. He said it himself in the post race interview, he is not at peak at the moment and why would you want to peak at round 3 when the races are spaced 3-4 weeks apart?
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pilotdude wrote:
Right. It is a continent. Similar in size and population to the United States.

Genius.
Flex wrote:
Uhm Europe as a whole has a population of over 700 million. You really sound dumb right now, it is a world championship because it goes...
Uhm Europe as a whole has a population of over 700 million. You really sound dumb right now, it is a world championship because it goes to tons of different countrys and more than 1 continent.
You sound beyond idiotic, as you usually do. They can have a race on Mars with the same 20 Euro riders and call it the Solar System Championship also. Total the population of the countries of the top 20 GP riders and what do you get?

Moron.

"flying away" to another continent does not make any championship a higher quality just because they are going somewhere else.
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I must say I definitely prefer the commentary on the Eurosport 2 feed over Paul Mailn. Much more entertaining I think someone said Jack Burnicle is...
I must say I definitely prefer the commentary on the Eurosport 2 feed over Paul Mailn. Much more entertaining

I think someone said Jack Burnicle is one of them, who is the other?
I work alongside Jack.
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Good result for waters
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PressPassP wrote:
Yep,that's where its at,accept its damn hard to go anywhere out of your comfortzone,someone's going too be elated one day,disappointed another,the racing has been great,we've have...
Yep,that's where its at,accept its damn hard to go anywhere out of your comfortzone,someone's going too be elated one day,disappointed another,the racing has been great,we've have 4 Moto winners,there's a lot of solid guys out there to bring it

I was there too that day actually and looked through all those race tents in awe and hope of catching a glimpse of my heroes and maybe an autograph,Silly heck I would have probably bought you a beer in the tent,of the pub up the hill too but i couldnt see over the bar back then Smile
I tried to follow Brad back to his pits to get all fanboy goofy but he had to be helped off the bike and back to his tent. That's when I realized how brutal 45 plus 2 was at the world level. I've talked to Roger about that race and he was totally chuffed about Brads win that day. Said he earned it. No excuses or nationalism....just straight talk. That's what I would like to see more of....just fans of the sport.
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3/29/2015 4:20pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 4:22pm
pilotdude wrote:
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop. Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia...
Stop being a total fucking scumbag. Just stop.

Ryan Villopoto, Ryan Dungey, Eli Tomac, Ken Roczen, James Stewart, Chad Reed, Davi Milsaps, Trey Canard, Justin Barcia, etc.

Even McCread says over and over the two championships are on the same level. Which of course means half of the best riders in the world do not participate in the "world" championship. A championship where in 2014 95% of the top 20 riders were European and 13 of 17 races were in Europe.

It's the European championship, organized by a European company, with 3 or 4 "flyaway" races to generally garbage tracks, where the same 95% European riders ride.

It is the "world" championships in name only, and your weak attempt at trying to make the U.S. nationals look like an inferior series only makes you look like more a fool than you really are.

Which is quite a feat when you think about it.
Blink .....................Woohoo Woohoo
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3/29/2015 4:28pm
PabstBR11 wrote:
So whoever won the gp title when rc was winning outdoor titles was better since they were the MXGP champ?
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yes, Pabst, it's the WORLD MOTOCROSS series, not the OUTDOOR U.S. SUPERCROSS series. look @ the UTAH national, it's inside a car track, look @ the...
Yes, Pabst, it's the WORLD MOTOCROSS series, not the OUTDOOR U.S. SUPERCROSS series.

look @ the UTAH national, it's inside a car track, look @ the Daytona Supercross it's inside a car track

Park Boys wrote:
Thats why RC and Everts lined up behind a gate 5 times in the same class and the damnedest thing happened RC spanked Everts every time...
Thats why RC and Everts lined up behind a gate 5 times in the same class and the damnedest thing happened RC spanked Everts every time.... hell two of the races RC was on a turd 03 250 two stroke vs a works 500 four stroke and he still got smoked in his backyard.
Let's see it then, whole series, give RC a call, tell him to put the fork down
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Let's see it then, whole series, give RC a call, tell him to put the fork down
Ricky did what he needed to do. He retired and now does what he wants to do. Call him the flying fat man if you want to but I'd bet he's still faster than most.
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pilotdude wrote:
Right. It is a continent. Similar in size and population to the United States.

Genius.
Flex wrote:
Uhm Europe as a whole has a population of over 700 million. You really sound dumb right now, it is a world championship because it goes...
Uhm Europe as a whole has a population of over 700 million. You really sound dumb right now, it is a world championship because it goes to tons of different countrys and more than 1 continent.
pilotdude wrote:
You sound beyond idiotic, as you usually do. They can have a race on Mars with the same 20 Euro riders and call it the Solar...
You sound beyond idiotic, as you usually do. They can have a race on Mars with the same 20 Euro riders and call it the Solar System Championship also. Total the population of the countries of the top 20 GP riders and what do you get?

Moron.

"flying away" to another continent does not make any championship a higher quality just because they are going somewhere else.
youre a joke
you talk down about europe and the gp's and say something stupid like europe is same as america when europe has multiple countries langages cultures foods terrains and foods and twice the number of people
thats like saying alabama is one country and kansas is another country
you talk shit on gp racers but RV whos the best in america is stuggling to compete with them and is finishing as far as 20 plus seconds behind the gp riders you take shit on
you ever think if maybe you shoed some respect for gp's and gp riders, the gp fans would show more respect about RVs struggling to be up front but no you would rather talk shit while people laugh at you and your ignorance
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3/29/2015 5:27pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 5:30pm
No flack here but you got to see its only round 3. The season is long and the main part of the season kicks in in...
No flack here but you got to see its only round 3. The season is long and the main part of the season kicks in in the middle of the year. AC's strength is he is super consistent and delivers at the right time... he knows how to win a championship. He said it himself in the post race interview, he is not at peak at the moment and why would you want to peak at round 3 when the races are spaced 3-4 weeks apart?
I agree.
Lost in the self absorbed bickering is the fact that neither Tony nor Ryan ever went 24-0 during an entire series.
Both of them have had season starts were you kind of wonder if they are done. Yet at the end, look who is taking home the hardware. Consistency over the season has always been one of their strong point.
And guess what, 3 races in, you have two cool cats who have been at the front. I'm really impressed by Max.

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