Redesigned KXF's and RMZ's for 2016?

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#991 3/13/2015 5:03pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda owners crack me up "Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the...
Honda owners crack me up

"Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the other stock bikes, but its really not about power anyway!"
kiwifan wrote:
I havent changed the piston and dont run race fuel ...but believe what you like. Most riders change ignition maps (thats the beauty of FI dude!!!)...
I havent changed the piston and dont run race fuel ...but believe what you like.

Most riders change ignition maps (thats the beauty of FI dude!!!) and pipes anyway no matter what the bike...
What cracks me up is people who can't use the 53 HP the Honda's already have, bagging it and wanting 9 HP more Huh

KTM's are like a women changing clothes. They go from one extreme to the other. IF next yrs KTM 450 is good, It'll be a first for KTM.
There's a lot to be said in developing and refining an already proven platform IMO.



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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda owners crack me up "Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the...
Honda owners crack me up

"Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the other stock bikes, but its really not about power anyway!"
kiwifan wrote:
I havent changed the piston and dont run race fuel ...but believe what you like. Most riders change ignition maps (thats the beauty of FI dude!!!)...
I havent changed the piston and dont run race fuel ...but believe what you like.

Most riders change ignition maps (thats the beauty of FI dude!!!) and pipes anyway no matter what the bike...
#991 wrote:
What cracks me up is people who can't use the 53 HP the Honda's already have, bagging it and wanting 9 HP more :huh: KTM's are...
What cracks me up is people who can't use the 53 HP the Honda's already have, bagging it and wanting 9 HP more Huh

KTM's are like a women changing clothes. They go from one extreme to the other. IF next yrs KTM 450 is good, It'll be a first for KTM.
There's a lot to be said in developing and refining an already proven platform IMO.



In all fairness it's not about the amount of power the Honda makes its the fact it hits a wall around 8k. It just needs to pull all the way through. It's only 2 or 3hp off the RMZ and the KXF. Like I said a remap and cam and you are on par with the other bikes.

The Yamaha makes around 58hp and most feel it's too much.

KTM makes an excellent motorcycle and had won several shootouts over the last few years. I believe the 2016 will set the bar and Japan better take notice. They are pricey but I would consider one if I was in the market.
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nascarnate326 3/13/2015 5:53pm
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and here I am hoping for a KTM SX250 FE......or Yamaha do a FE.
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KTM will have direct injection in 2017 is what the insiders are saying.

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endurox 3/13/2015 6:25pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
kiwifan wrote:
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind of like a kick starter. Yes it works but why.
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TeamGreen wrote:
A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
kiwifan wrote:
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
endurox wrote:
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind...
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind of like a kick starter. Yes it works but why.
I dunno....never had a problem myself....hot or heart rate pinned or not
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Bruce372 3/13/2015 7:07pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda owners crack me up "Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the...
Honda owners crack me up

"Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the other stock bikes, but its really not about power anyway!"
jeff simpson wrote:
People like you crack me up, " well I bought a full titanium bolt kit for $2700, removed every nut, bolt, guard and fastener that wasn't...
People like you crack me up, " well I bought a full titanium bolt kit for $2700, removed every nut, bolt, guard and fastener that wasn't absolutely vital for function, bought offset triple clamps, a lowering link and shaved my seat and now my bikes only 3lbs heavier than the Honda and handles just as good". But it's the horsepower that really matters..
people like me??? LOL. no way i would spend $2700 on titanium, LOL!

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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda owners crack me up "Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the...
Honda owners crack me up

"Well I changed the cams, piston, ignition, pipe and run race fuel and its every bit as fast as all the other stock bikes, but its really not about power anyway!"
jeff simpson wrote:
People like you crack me up, " well I bought a full titanium bolt kit for $2700, removed every nut, bolt, guard and fastener that wasn't...
People like you crack me up, " well I bought a full titanium bolt kit for $2700, removed every nut, bolt, guard and fastener that wasn't absolutely vital for function, bought offset triple clamps, a lowering link and shaved my seat and now my bikes only 3lbs heavier than the Honda and handles just as good". But it's the horsepower that really matters..
LOL
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kiwifan wrote:
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
endurox wrote:
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind...
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind of like a kick starter. Yes it works but why.
kiwifan wrote:
I dunno....never had a problem myself....hot or heart rate pinned or not
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a hand crank. To say that kicking is not that much harder than the button just proves you are a miserable stubborn old man.
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SLO1667 3/13/2015 8:14pm
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endurox wrote:
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind...
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind of like a kick starter. Yes it works but why.
kiwifan wrote:
I dunno....never had a problem myself....hot or heart rate pinned or not
BobPA wrote:
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a...
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a hand crank. To say that kicking is not that much harder than the button just proves you are a miserable stubborn old man.
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn something.
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Bruce372 3/13/2015 8:19pm
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So where is everyone riding this weekend? Snow is melting, lol.

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kiwifan 3/13/2015 8:24pm
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endurox wrote:
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind...
when you heart rate is pinned and it is hot out, the button is not a gimic. Model T's are started with a hand crank. Kind of like a kick starter. Yes it works but why.
kiwifan wrote:
I dunno....never had a problem myself....hot or heart rate pinned or not
BobPA wrote:
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a...
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a hand crank. To say that kicking is not that much harder than the button just proves you are a miserable stubborn old man.
I did not ever say I was against it dude, just said I manage fine without one, not sure how more clearly I can put it....

Not sure how you get I am an old man when I can happily kick start a bike rather than use a button :-)
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gpracer36 3/13/2015 8:32pm
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haven't 250f lap times beat 450 lap times in both supercross and outdoors? Don't the 450's have more HP? Some of you guys are tards. The Honda 450 is just fine. What is the hp difference between a 250f and a 450? More than 8 hp right? So how do you explain a 250f being faster on the same track than a 450? Get a ficken clue. Its more than peak hp on a motocross track. They are not dragsters. Some of you tards should be banned for being just stupid.
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kiwifan wrote:
I dunno....never had a problem myself....hot or heart rate pinned or not
BobPA wrote:
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a...
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a hand crank. To say that kicking is not that much harder than the button just proves you are a miserable stubborn old man.
SLO1667 wrote:
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn...
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn something.
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks, but if you are riding in the cold a $35 YTX4-LBS would cure the issue instantly. (That's the regular KTM battery btw).

The lithium battery is a dumb idea IMO, they are more of a hassle than they are worth. It's an easy (albeit pricey) way to shed a few pounds, but the charging procedures and temperamental nature are not worth the 3lb savings. I had one in my stand up jet ski for a while and ended up warrantying it, followed instantly by putting it on eBay.
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BobPA wrote:
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a...
I can't believe how much you are consistently against the button. If it is such a gimmick why don't you order your next car with a hand crank. To say that kicking is not that much harder than the button just proves you are a miserable stubborn old man.
SLO1667 wrote:
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn...
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn something.
BobPA wrote:
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks...
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks, but if you are riding in the cold a $35 YTX4-LBS would cure the issue instantly. (That's the regular KTM battery btw).

The lithium battery is a dumb idea IMO, they are more of a hassle than they are worth. It's an easy (albeit pricey) way to shed a few pounds, but the charging procedures and temperamental nature are not worth the 3lb savings. I had one in my stand up jet ski for a while and ended up warrantying it, followed instantly by putting it on eBay.
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
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TeamGreen wrote:
A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
kiwifan wrote:
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
RV had a hell of a time trying to start his 450 in Qatar
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kiwifan 3/13/2015 9:59pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
kiwifan wrote:
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
Juss wrote:
RV had a hell of a time trying to start his 450 in Qatar
He forget to turn the ignition key on
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SLO1667 wrote:
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn...
regarding the button, maybe you should poll the guys that have the new FE before spewing your ongoing diarrhea of the keyboard. you might actually learn something.
BobPA wrote:
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks...
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks, but if you are riding in the cold a $35 YTX4-LBS would cure the issue instantly. (That's the regular KTM battery btw).

The lithium battery is a dumb idea IMO, they are more of a hassle than they are worth. It's an easy (albeit pricey) way to shed a few pounds, but the charging procedures and temperamental nature are not worth the 3lb savings. I had one in my stand up jet ski for a while and ended up warrantying it, followed instantly by putting it on eBay.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup...
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.

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SLO1667 3/13/2015 10:23pm
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BobPA wrote:
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks...
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks, but if you are riding in the cold a $35 YTX4-LBS would cure the issue instantly. (That's the regular KTM battery btw).

The lithium battery is a dumb idea IMO, they are more of a hassle than they are worth. It's an easy (albeit pricey) way to shed a few pounds, but the charging procedures and temperamental nature are not worth the 3lb savings. I had one in my stand up jet ski for a while and ended up warrantying it, followed instantly by putting it on eBay.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup...
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
Skippie wrote:
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out...
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's, spends more time trying to keep the battery charged and "ready" and it's something that I never need or want to worry about.

For MX, I don't see many guys stalling and most bikes start with a kick or two from what I've observed, so I suppose view the "button" as more of a hassle than a value in the rhelm of the MX world at least. What a do know is that I never met a KTM rider that hasn't bragged about their button....As I see them push starting their bikes.
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BobPA wrote:
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks...
I actually did read the post about the cold start procedure, but it is not for every type of starting, just for under 40 degrees...kinda sucks, but if you are riding in the cold a $35 YTX4-LBS would cure the issue instantly. (That's the regular KTM battery btw).

The lithium battery is a dumb idea IMO, they are more of a hassle than they are worth. It's an easy (albeit pricey) way to shed a few pounds, but the charging procedures and temperamental nature are not worth the 3lb savings. I had one in my stand up jet ski for a while and ended up warrantying it, followed instantly by putting it on eBay.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup...
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
Skippie wrote:
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out...
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.
For an off-road bike e-atart is nice to have in some situations I'm sure. For a MX bike I prefer to not have one.

I wouldn't pay extra for it if it were an option. In fact I'd probably pass on it if it were a free upgrade.

Some guys love them, I'd rather keep it simple and light.
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SLO1667 wrote:
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup...
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
Skippie wrote:
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out...
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's...
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's, spends more time trying to keep the battery charged and "ready" and it's something that I never need or want to worry about.

For MX, I don't see many guys stalling and most bikes start with a kick or two from what I've observed, so I suppose view the "button" as more of a hassle than a value in the rhelm of the MX world at least. What a do know is that I never met a KTM rider that hasn't bragged about their button....As I see them push starting their bikes.
I have never had a problem with a battery, 155 or so hours in 4 years. Charging the battery is literally never an issue. I don't know who you see pushing these KTM's around or having to charge their battery everyday, but I'm gonna have to say pics/video or it didn't happen. How often do you have to charge the battery in your car? I had to bump start my bike once because I yard saled and it tore the starter button off the bars, but that's a different story.
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Skippie wrote:
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out...
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's...
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's, spends more time trying to keep the battery charged and "ready" and it's something that I never need or want to worry about.

For MX, I don't see many guys stalling and most bikes start with a kick or two from what I've observed, so I suppose view the "button" as more of a hassle than a value in the rhelm of the MX world at least. What a do know is that I never met a KTM rider that hasn't bragged about their button....As I see them push starting their bikes.
BobPA wrote:
I have never had a problem with a battery, 155 or so hours in 4 years. Charging the battery is literally never an issue. I don't...
I have never had a problem with a battery, 155 or so hours in 4 years. Charging the battery is literally never an issue. I don't know who you see pushing these KTM's around or having to charge their battery everyday, but I'm gonna have to say pics/video or it didn't happen. How often do you have to charge the battery in your car? I had to bump start my bike once because I yard saled and it tore the starter button off the bars, but that's a different story.
Anyone have a pic of RD trying to push start his KTM? lol
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SLO1667 wrote:
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup...
I guess I find it hard to believe that someone puts down 10K and the fucking thing won't start and there's no kickstarter as a backup. Not sure I see the value in that model.
Skippie wrote:
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out...
Actually it will start, just when it's cold out it's a little difficult, same as kicking your bike for 5 minutes when it's 20 degrees out. Trust me when your 70miles into a technical single track ride, on a hill so steep you can barely walk up it, with a fallen tree ahead of you, that magic little button is your best friend.
SLO1667 wrote:
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's...
I guess hundreds of scenario's could be identified, and yes, I'm sure it's nice to have in those situations, but everyone that I know with KTM's, spends more time trying to keep the battery charged and "ready" and it's something that I never need or want to worry about.

For MX, I don't see many guys stalling and most bikes start with a kick or two from what I've observed, so I suppose view the "button" as more of a hassle than a value in the rhelm of the MX world at least. What a do know is that I never met a KTM rider that hasn't bragged about their button....As I see them push starting their bikes.
Had a KTM with E-start for 2 years. Never had a problem, went 6 months without riding and plugged the battery in for 10 minutes and it was good to go the rest of the season. Before that had a Kawi KLX with electric start (with a kick start as well), also with that never once had problems in the 3 years I had that bike. The only time the lithium battery in the new ones has trouble starting is when it's really cold out, which is the same with a kickstarter.
And @Juss how many times on live TV have we watched a guy crash, get up and then try to kick his bike over for the next few laps unsuccessfully? All the guys saying E-start is unreliable and too complicated are the guys who don't have it.
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E-start is like air forks. Everyone who doesn't have them hates them because of all the "problems". But 99% of those who own them are not experiencing these "problems".
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mx317 3/14/2015 5:36am
3/14/2015 5:36am
Juss wrote:
Anyone have a pic of RD trying to push start his KTM? lol
There is a video of him trying to kickstart his RMZ 450 and entering the race almost a lap down a few years ago.
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mx317 3/14/2015 5:37am
3/14/2015 5:37am
Justin345 wrote:
E-start is like air forks. Everyone who doesn't have them hates them because of all the "problems". But 99% of those who own them are not...
E-start is like air forks. Everyone who doesn't have them hates them because of all the "problems". But 99% of those who own them are not experiencing these "problems".
Good post
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wfo250 3/14/2015 7:07am
3/14/2015 7:07am
With technology comes cost.
Need examples? 2 stroke vs 4
Stroke and $ 10, 000 KTM
SXF 450. Techs nice but not
necessry
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Skippie 3/14/2015 8:04am
3/14/2015 8:04am
wfo250 wrote:
With technology comes cost.
Need examples? 2 stroke vs 4
Stroke and $ 10, 000 KTM
SXF 450. Techs nice but not
necessry
A decent education and writing skills should be necessary to post though.
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SLO1667 3/14/2015 8:16am
3/14/2015 8:16am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2015 8:17am
Fucking classic.

Again, I've seen more problems with KTM estart/battery issues than not. I don't have to worry about a "cold" battery or having to recharge on my Japanese bike. I'm not against e-start at all, but the current generation of non-KTM bikes have always been reliable in the starting department so I just don't see the need.



http://motocrossactionmag.com/Uploads/Public/Images/.JB/Mid-Week%20Repo…
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bama205 3/14/2015 8:18am
3/14/2015 8:18am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2015 8:19am
Most of y'all would get smoked by a decent rider on a mid 2000's two stoke anyway. But so long as you have the latest stuff and best bike you know it's doing it's part

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