Redesigned KXF's and RMZ's for 2016?

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Edited Date/Time 5/6/2015 7:16am
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics?

The KTM's are surely making a big splash with the new ultra light and redesigned bikes. I surely hope Japan is not just sitting around.

Opinions/Rumors?
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Suzuki 's broke and I'm pretty sure, while they look similar, Kawasaki have been making chassis changes, etc over the course of a few years.

I can't see a massive change any time soon, they'll just push little gimmicks like launch control, hydraulic clutch maybe, etc etc
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I don't really understand when people say the Suzuki's are showing their age. It looks like a modern bike. Changing the plastic shape every 2 to 3 years doesn't make any difference in performance anyways.

Kawasaki's were changed in 2009 and then again in 2012. So my guess would be they will have a different look for 2016. I think I remember reading the Suzuki's will probably get a new look but not till 2017? I don't think Suzuki is broke either.

Kind of unrelated but I wish Cycra would make plastic kits for Suzuki's. Their reasoning for not starting now was because the bikes will change soon but if they made kits now they have a potential customer in anyone that owns a 2008 to 2015 RM-Z! Doesn't make sense to me.
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A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
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I've heard of some changes for the Kawi next year that the race team is pretty excited about, including lighter weight.

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Kawasaki has been testing frames for the last couple of years but they do not want to make the mistake of going too drastic like Honda did in 2009.

Suzuki has a proven platform but regardless the bike is basically the 2008 with some revisions over the years.

I don't look for anything major from Yamaha or even Honda.

I hope the manufacturers follow the trend KTM is setting and shed some weight. It would be nice to see the 250s get lighter so the kids moving up from superminis will have an easier transition. The 125 option is out there but you forced to ride a Yamaha or KTM.
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brocsdad wrote:
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics...
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics?

The KTM's are surely making a big splash with the new ultra light and redesigned bikes. I surely hope Japan is not just sitting around.

Opinions/Rumors?
I am interested in the new RMZ, currently ride Honda, so should be an interesting year. Honda dont have to lose a heck of a lot to match the KTM (well the FE anyway, we shall see if the 2016 is same weight as the FE), but the other two are a little more porkier.
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TeamGreen wrote:
A new Honda?

A new KX450F?

A new RMZ...one? Both?

How many 2016s will have "the button"?
all of the above? ....er I hope lol although electric start is a bit of a gimmick, the bikes are NOT hard to start
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brocsdad wrote:
Kawasaki has been testing frames for the last couple of years but they do not want to make the mistake of going too drastic like Honda...
Kawasaki has been testing frames for the last couple of years but they do not want to make the mistake of going too drastic like Honda did in 2009.

Suzuki has a proven platform but regardless the bike is basically the 2008 with some revisions over the years.

I don't look for anything major from Yamaha or even Honda.

I hope the manufacturers follow the trend KTM is setting and shed some weight. It would be nice to see the 250s get lighter so the kids moving up from superminis will have an easier transition. The 125 option is out there but you forced to ride a Yamaha or KTM.
didnt Honda set the weight loss program not KTM...just that KTM's FE has now gone lighter, they certainly didnt start the trend
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kiwifan wrote:
didnt Honda set the weight loss program not KTM...just that KTM's FE has now gone lighter, they certainly didnt start the trend
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
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kiwifan wrote:
didnt Honda set the weight loss program not KTM...just that KTM's FE has now gone lighter, they certainly didnt start the trend
SLO1667 wrote:
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I...
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
They didn't start it but they have set the bar for sure!
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it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same.

however, its amazing how many parts are updated, yet all the aftermarket parts still bolt up.

i would be surprised if suzuki come out with a new one a year after this new one.
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Bruce372 wrote:
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same. however, its amazing how many parts are...
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same.

however, its amazing how many parts are updated, yet all the aftermarket parts still bolt up.

i would be surprised if suzuki come out with a new one a year after this new one.
Suzuki claims that the 2015 RMZ 450 is all new, so it will be refinements for the next several years.
For Kawasaki, maybe 16 or 17 year we'll see something new. They just don't sell enough bikes to change things any quicker.
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Bruce372 wrote:
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same. however, its amazing how many parts are...
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same.

however, its amazing how many parts are updated, yet all the aftermarket parts still bolt up.

i would be surprised if suzuki come out with a new one a year after this new one.
Cancerman wrote:
Suzuki claims that the 2015 RMZ 450 is all new, so it will be refinements for the next several years. For Kawasaki, maybe 16 or 17...
Suzuki claims that the 2015 RMZ 450 is all new, so it will be refinements for the next several years.
For Kawasaki, maybe 16 or 17 year we'll see something new. They just don't sell enough bikes to change things any quicker.
New frame, new forks, new engine mods....that's pretty significant changes...and to the first reply in this thread......SUZUKI IS NOT BROKE!!Woohoo
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Bruce372 wrote:
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same. however, its amazing how many parts are...
it was an odd feeling trading in a 2009 rmz for a 2015, and they both looked the same.

however, its amazing how many parts are updated, yet all the aftermarket parts still bolt up.

i would be surprised if suzuki come out with a new one a year after this new one.
Cancerman wrote:
Suzuki claims that the 2015 RMZ 450 is all new, so it will be refinements for the next several years. For Kawasaki, maybe 16 or 17...
Suzuki claims that the 2015 RMZ 450 is all new, so it will be refinements for the next several years.
For Kawasaki, maybe 16 or 17 year we'll see something new. They just don't sell enough bikes to change things any quicker.
malachi177 wrote:
New frame, new forks, new engine mods....that's pretty significant changes...and to the first reply in this thread......SUZUKI IS NOT BROKE!!Woohoo
But but but....... they filed bankruptcy!!! lol
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tobz wrote:
Suzuki 's broke and I'm pretty sure, while they look similar, Kawasaki have been making chassis changes, etc over the course of a few years. I...
Suzuki 's broke and I'm pretty sure, while they look similar, Kawasaki have been making chassis changes, etc over the course of a few years.

I can't see a massive change any time soon, they'll just push little gimmicks like launch control, hydraulic clutch maybe, etc etc
Thier 1.7 bill net profit last year which was more than kawie yammie and ktm combined says otherwise
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If they don't change the zooks it won't hurt my feelings any. I get to ride my cheap 09 around and it still looks relevant! Laughing Laughing Tongue
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The biggest improvement they could make would be to stick the old coil sprung forks back in.
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SLO1667 wrote:
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I...
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
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SLO1667 wrote:
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I...
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
Madmax31 wrote:
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is...
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
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SLO1667 wrote:
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I...
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
Madmax31 wrote:
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is...
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
MotoX85 wrote:
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like...
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
You lose credibility when you exaggerate the numbers and state them as facts.
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SLO1667 wrote:
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I...
KTM finally caught up to what Honda started back in 09, yet some internet jockies want to believe that KTM started the movement. Pretty funny. I bet the Honda still feels lighter.

Any big changes to bikes we won't be seeing until 2017-18 so ignore next year folks.
Madmax31 wrote:
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is...
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
MotoX85 wrote:
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like...
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
Umm??....the 2005 - 2008 CRF's were some of the best bikes ever produced. In 2009 they screwed it up! I don't care for some of the newer ones myself , but there are plenty of guys who love their new Honda's. And I think your HP numbers may be off slightly.
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Madmax31 wrote:
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is...
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
MotoX85 wrote:
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like...
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm??....the 2005 - 2008 CRF's were some of the best bikes ever produced. In 2009 they screwed it up! I don't care for some of the...
Umm??....the 2005 - 2008 CRF's were some of the best bikes ever produced. In 2009 they screwed it up! I don't care for some of the newer ones myself , but there are plenty of guys who love their new Honda's. And I think your HP numbers may be off slightly.
He has a history of skewing any type of number or statistic to make Yamaha's look favorable.
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Suzuki has been implementing some serious cost cutting measures across the board. Pulling dealers, etc.
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nytsmaC wrote:
You lose credibility when you exaggerate the numbers and state them as facts.
Our 2015 Honda produced 6 peak horespower less than the Yamaha.
3/12/2015 8:18am
tobz wrote:
Suzuki 's broke and I'm pretty sure, while they look similar, Kawasaki have been making chassis changes, etc over the course of a few years. I...
Suzuki 's broke and I'm pretty sure, while they look similar, Kawasaki have been making chassis changes, etc over the course of a few years.

I can't see a massive change any time soon, they'll just push little gimmicks like launch control, hydraulic clutch maybe, etc etc
SUZUKI is far from broke, actually they are doing just fine! Get some knowledge about the situation before posting up garbage~
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brocsdad wrote:
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics...
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics?

The KTM's are surely making a big splash with the new ultra light and redesigned bikes. I surely hope Japan is not just sitting around.

Opinions/Rumors?
As for the original questions:

Kawasaki usually goes 450 first, there's a high chance of a new frame and even a major engine overhaul for 16. They've had a "light" test bike for a few years now. I actually thought it was coming for 15, but was pushed back do to some continued development with the engine.

As for Suzuki, one more year on the current 450 platform, finally an overhaul for 17. The 250 will have new suspension components for 16 (not Showa SFF TAC), not sure if it's gaining anything else beyond that.

I've been hearing rumblings of an all new Honda 250F engine within the next year or two... had a few people over there admit they hit the wall with what they will do with that engine for a consumer.
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Madmax31 wrote:
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is...
Honda invented lite bikes...hmm. How about they work on a clutch that will last a moto, find 5-8 HP. LOL! That CRF pile of shit is a joke!
MotoX85 wrote:
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like...
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
nytsmaC wrote:
You lose credibility when you exaggerate the numbers and state them as facts.
Not real hard, but if you want something quick to go on, I think MXA printed their dyno results. How's those for facts even though that's not were I got my info.
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MotoX85 wrote:
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like...
ITs amazing isn't, My goodness Hondas have not been worth a shit since before 07 more like the 2005 and they still worship this junk like it is the only thing out there.

You better be light when you give up 8 hp on every other 450 bike out there and 5 hp in the 250 class.
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm??....the 2005 - 2008 CRF's were some of the best bikes ever produced. In 2009 they screwed it up! I don't care for some of the...
Umm??....the 2005 - 2008 CRF's were some of the best bikes ever produced. In 2009 they screwed it up! I don't care for some of the newer ones myself , but there are plenty of guys who love their new Honda's. And I think your HP numbers may be off slightly.
nytsmaC wrote:
He has a history of skewing any type of number or statistic to make Yamaha's look favorable.
That's funny you say that, I have 3 Kawasaki's, 2 Hondas along with 6 Yamahas in my garage, and I have owned KTM's in the past, but you are correct I do favor Blue.
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brocsdad wrote:
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics...
It's no secret the KXF's and the RMZ's are showing their age. With that said has anyone heard anything about redesigned bikes for 2016? Spy pics?

The KTM's are surely making a big splash with the new ultra light and redesigned bikes. I surely hope Japan is not just sitting around.

Opinions/Rumors?
I will say this. I used to be the biggest Suzuki fan ever..... When they paid out the ass for contingencies. Lol That being said the new fe KTM is definitely setting a new bar. With the light weight and electric start. IDC who you are the e start isn't a gimmick, people that say it is just a gimmick are jealous there bike doesn't have that feature and is still heavier and down on power.
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The Japanese manufacturers suffer from incumbent inertia. Meaning they are slow to change and respond to market needs. Each bike is considered a platform and they have to figure on "X" amount of years of only making incremental changes after a major change. The years following a major release recover the capital costs required to re-tool for manufacturing and process changes. They are driven by profit margins and unit sales and that's the bottom line.

KTM on the other hand.....they ain't got no time for that. They are a smaller company focused on claiming a market share and they will do whatever it takes to win. In my opinion, this is why KTM has closed the gap so quickly on all the other bikes. KTM is always quicker to the market with changes year after year. If KTM continues down this path for the next decade, it's going to be really hard for the Japanese companies to mirror the flexibility KTM is showing.

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