Thoughts on shortening motos Thailand?

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3/8/2015 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2015 7:13pm
PabstBR11 wrote:
Normally i always agree with Guyb, But even i could go out there at full sprint till i just die? Everyone can't know there own limits...
Normally i always agree with Guyb, But even i could go out there at full sprint till i just die? Everyone can't know there own limits like RV said? i understand those guys don't have the info the elite guys do. Lots of guys have died in car racing, they don't stop racing?
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It auto racing they also improve the same equipment, and as things like SAFER barriers. In sprint car racing they used to think that racing without...
It auto racing they also improve the same equipment, and as things like SAFER barriers.

In sprint car racing they used to think that racing without roll cages was a good idea. Fortunately they're a little more enlightened now. I think that's an example of not Having to do the same thing forever.
I agree, When safety is in question whatever needs to be done should. Look what happened to Jules bianchi at Suzuka. Without all the athletes there would be nothing to watch. But it's hot over here in the Nationals and I've seen many a moto guys look super gassed but still get the job done.
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3/8/2015 7:42pm
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Does anyone know why last week's race in Qatar took place at night? Whistling
Or why you'd goto somewhere that is in summer, hot as fuck and really high humidity and then try hold a motocross race.
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3/8/2015 8:27pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2015 8:44pm
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Have they ever shortened freestone? Millville? Redbud?




Hahahaha. Here are two pics I took going to River Valley MX and Village Creek last summer. Average summer day for us in Texas is usually 102ish with humidity in the high 80% low 90% range. Come on over and hang with the U.S. guys. Lmfao. I always thought of the GP's as the tough guys on the tough tracks. For like 35 years I've thought that and people always laughed at me. That opinion has changed completely. That track was terrible. Hell I thought it was Shady Grove MX for a minute. (For those of you in the DFW area). Temps only around 100 and fit riders were suffering???? Thai GP. Laughable. (The track and decisions. The riders are badass mf'rs. Nothing but respect for all the guys out there)

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Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot at the thia gp! Photo getting his body and brain back into gear after the 1st Moto win!"

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Big Daddy wrote:
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot...
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot at the thia gp! Photo getting his body and brain back into gear after the 1st Moto win!"

That's Ratters, isn't it?

Looks like they set up a tub with water, like so many do. I've taken an Otto bin, lots of water and ice, to events to sit / stand in after a race. It's bloody wonderful!

Those rooms behind the tub - they were AC'd? Some say it's a good idea to use it (AC'd facilities), other don't.

There's the interview with RV - it surely will be up now on more than just MXGeoffs site, so you don't have to bring 'clicks' to him - that pretty much shows his approval / understanding of the decision. Perhaps even the most dedicated to slagging GPs people might think differently, if they hear their hero not having a problem with it..
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i doubt any of the riders were really complaining about it

after what happened with tixier they had to do something- dudes were DOGGING it at the end of moto2 and that was with the 5 minutes shaved.

err on the side of athlete safety, always.
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Big Daddy wrote:
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot...
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot at the thia gp! Photo getting his body and brain back into gear after the 1st Moto win!"

Bearuno wrote:
That's Ratters, isn't it? Looks like they set up a tub with water, like so many do. I've taken an Otto bin, lots of water and...
That's Ratters, isn't it?

Looks like they set up a tub with water, like so many do. I've taken an Otto bin, lots of water and ice, to events to sit / stand in after a race. It's bloody wonderful!

Those rooms behind the tub - they were AC'd? Some say it's a good idea to use it (AC'd facilities), other don't.

There's the interview with RV - it surely will be up now on more than just MXGeoffs site, so you don't have to bring 'clicks' to him - that pretty much shows his approval / understanding of the decision. Perhaps even the most dedicated to slagging GPs people might think differently, if they hear their hero not having a problem with it..


3/9/2015 4:07am
hillbilly wrote:
Maybe they shouldn't go to a 3rd world country in a rain forest where its citizens cant afford indoor plumbing or clean water much less admission...
Maybe they shouldn't go to a 3rd world country in a rain forest where its citizens cant afford indoor plumbing or clean water much less admission to a mxgp race.
yeah wait a minute while take a dump in the hole in the ground and wash my hands in the swamp out the back:

then i can explain to you not everyone lives like that hereDizzy
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3/9/2015 4:11am
TripleFive wrote:
Does anyone know why last week's race in Qatar took place at night? Whistling
Just for show, like the F1-race in Bahrain and Singapore. Night races in the Middle East means broadcasting in prime time in Europe. It was around 27°C (80°F) in Qatar during the day, not so high. At night it was around 18°C (65°F), you saw people wearing sweaters and coats.

I saw a picture of Strijbos sitting in a kiddie tub, so they had facilities to cool the riders down. It was just one of those days you can't even come out of your front door without sweating.

Glad to hear everyone is pretty okay after being told not to ride the second race.
3/9/2015 4:23am
philG wrote:
i mat be wrong , but im guessing that trying to get enough ice baths for 2 classes, in the boonies in Thailand might be a...
i mat be wrong , but im guessing that trying to get enough ice baths for 2 classes, in the boonies in Thailand might be a bit difficult.. some freinds are out there for the races , i will get the low down later on about the behind the scenes stuff.. its not about not knowing what you need, its about being able to get it where you are ..

The universal opinion is that the place sucked , and they wont be going back.
there is more ice in thailand than the eskimos have

seriously, there are shops that just sell ice in nearly every town.
getting enough ice would not be a problem

you know they put ice the beer here?Shocked

yes that place sucked but last years didnt.




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3/9/2015 6:11am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2015 6:12am
For all you tough guys (from the vurbmoto interview with RV):

When it was announced that the second race was cut short, some of your ex-colleagues in America from your state were fairly critical of the decision. What did you think of it?
It’s a little bit different. Safety is number one in the entire field of the Lites class and the 450 class. All these guys, and even myself, we’re coming from Europe. It’s 42 degrees there and it’s 100 and something here and high humidity. So we’ve lost a rider a couple years ago in Red Bud. And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there.
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"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there."

So he didn't need the race cut short, the out of shape guys did....I'm with Reed and RC on this. Sorry not sorry....
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3/9/2015 7:33am
Big Daddy wrote:
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot...
Found this on a facebook page tonight. Looks like RV had a little cooldown time after moto 1. Here's the caption with this photo, "Very hot at the thia gp! Photo getting his body and brain back into gear after the 1st Moto win!"

Bearuno wrote:
That's Ratters, isn't it? Looks like they set up a tub with water, like so many do. I've taken an Otto bin, lots of water and...
That's Ratters, isn't it?

Looks like they set up a tub with water, like so many do. I've taken an Otto bin, lots of water and ice, to events to sit / stand in after a race. It's bloody wonderful!

Those rooms behind the tub - they were AC'd? Some say it's a good idea to use it (AC'd facilities), other don't.

There's the interview with RV - it surely will be up now on more than just MXGeoffs site, so you don't have to bring 'clicks' to him - that pretty much shows his approval / understanding of the decision. Perhaps even the most dedicated to slagging GPs people might think differently, if they hear their hero not having a problem with it..
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Is Paulin drinking a Coke?!?!?! Im no Aldon Baker but that seems gnarly!
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Probably his body needed some sugars after such a race.
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[b]"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits...
"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there."

So he didn't need the race cut short, the out of shape guys did....I'm with Reed and RC on this. Sorry not sorry....
He's speaking in general terms.
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Probably his body needed some sugars after such a race.
Thats what i figured, low blood sugar. That would fill me up drinking a soda after a hellacious race like Thailand.
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Strijbos' thoughts: 6th and 5th in the races yesterday and 5th OA. I did better then last week but sure not good enough. Hope the wrist will be better so i can start to train again like i used to do. The heat was unreal yesterday and i saw many people struggling. But on the other hand to cut the race by 5min is also shit. I mean we are professionals and 30min motos aren't to long. You just have to control yourself for the 30min and not cutting the time, thats my opinion. Glad we made it out safe and ready to do some work before Argentina. Thanks to the team and @yentlhaazen22ks
3/9/2015 11:06am
Strijbos is the first person that was there that i have seen talk out about it, seems like most agreed with the shortening,

I spent a month in Thailand in 2012, around this time of year, its very hot and humid, but no worse than florida in summer, but i think the biggest difference is the fact that its the change, nearly all the Euros have come from winter conditions, and even snow to go into this heat and humidity,
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BD233 wrote:
[b]"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits...
"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there."

So he didn't need the race cut short, the out of shape guys did....I'm with Reed and RC on this. Sorry not sorry....
jamma10 wrote:
He's speaking in general terms.
I took it to mean that it was shortened to help everyone cope with the heat, not just the top guy's .

after viewing the race yesterday, I think it was a good call and the 1st moto should have been 25 min then 2nd 20 min.

Those guy's were beaten down from the heat.
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Strijbos' thoughts: 6th and 5th in the races yesterday and 5th OA. I did better then last week but sure not good enough. Hope the wrist...
Strijbos' thoughts: 6th and 5th in the races yesterday and 5th OA. I did better then last week but sure not good enough. Hope the wrist will be better so i can start to train again like i used to do. The heat was unreal yesterday and i saw many people struggling. But on the other hand to cut the race by 5min is also shit. I mean we are professionals and 30min motos aren't to long. You just have to control yourself for the 30min and not cutting the time, thats my opinion. Glad we made it out safe and ready to do some work before Argentina. Thanks to the team and @yentlhaazen22ks
That is exactly what i said and felt, each guy has to know his limits. Anyone can go out and burn themselves up super fast. Isn't that endurance?
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It was brutally hot on the day, I was sweating sat under an umbrella sipping a cold one and I've lived here several years so I'm used to it.

I'm a huge RC fan, but he never left his comfort zone to race the GP series so he won't know how difficult it is to travel across continents from extreme heat to very cold conditions in such a short period of time. So in this case, he should keep quiet and save his breath for cooling his pies.
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FARANG wrote:
It was brutally hot on the day, I was sweating sat under an umbrella sipping a cold one and I've lived here several years so I'm...
It was brutally hot on the day, I was sweating sat under an umbrella sipping a cold one and I've lived here several years so I'm used to it.

I'm a huge RC fan, but he never left his comfort zone to race the GP series so he won't know how difficult it is to travel across continents from extreme heat to very cold conditions in such a short period of time. So in this case, he should keep quiet and save his breath for cooling his pies.
Reed said the same things as RC, he left his comfort zone and has raced both GP's and US Nationals, think he should keep quiet too? Why cherry-pick RC when he agreed with Reed?
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I've got no real problem with shortening the moto, exactly, but it does bring into question what sort of criteria will be used from here on out. Will they use a heat index to determine exactly how many minutes to reduce the moto? Will they cut both first and second motos? What if the temperature drops low, will there be a point that motos should be shortened to reduce the risk of hypothermia?

Heat exhaustion might be somewhat delayed in someone with a higher aerobic fitness level, but it isn't linear and each person's tolerance would likely be different if they had equal aerobic fitness levels. Heat tolerance has nothing to do with being "tough", either.

But at a certain point you have to let the riders themselves determine when they need to reduce their exertion level. There's no way to regulate the sport of motocross to ensure the "optimum" temperature at which each athlete is able to perform at their highest level with no danger that exertion could harm them. The Lichtle tragedy was just that, a tragedy, but obviously it was a rare event for an MX athlete competing at that level. It was very much the exception rather than the rule, and should be treated as such.
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FARANG wrote:
It was brutally hot on the day, I was sweating sat under an umbrella sipping a cold one and I've lived here several years so I'm...
It was brutally hot on the day, I was sweating sat under an umbrella sipping a cold one and I've lived here several years so I'm used to it.

I'm a huge RC fan, but he never left his comfort zone to race the GP series so he won't know how difficult it is to travel across continents from extreme heat to very cold conditions in such a short period of time. So in this case, he should keep quiet and save his breath for cooling his pies.
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Reed said the same things as RC, he left his comfort zone and has raced both GP's and US Nationals, think he should keep quiet too...
Reed said the same things as RC, he left his comfort zone and has raced both GP's and US Nationals, think he should keep quiet too? Why cherry-pick RC when he agreed with Reed?
I don't listen to much of what Reed says on Twitter. Great rider, but he seems like a bit of an attention whore sometimes who's just doing it to stir the pot rather than actually believing half of what he puts out there.

I'd listen to RV before I listened to either of these two. He was there racing and experienced the heat and felt the decision was fine. The other 2 are just stoking some kind of "we're tougher than you" agenda from the other side of the world. Pretty childish IMO.
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How many of you guys have actually been to Thailand? It's horrible to even walk around I live in Perth Australia and 100 Fahrenheit has nothing on 100 degrees in Thailand.

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3/9/2015 10:13pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2015 10:14pm
BD233 wrote:
[b]"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits...
"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there."

So he didn't need the race cut short, the out of shape guys did....I'm with Reed and RC on this. Sorry not sorry....
It has nothing to do with the actual heat but more to do with the fact that they have no real chance to get accustomed to it.. I'm sure you're a heat badass but you've dealt with it way more.. you ever go to a colder climate and you're all rugged up and still cold but there's dudes running around in t-shirts?

No RV didn't need it cut short, obviously neither did Cairoli or Desalle or any of the other 'pussies' the guys you, RC and Reed are criticising it was the the guys that don't have the same awareness of their bodies as the top guys.. What you're saying is they only need to worry about the top guys everyone else can just die or whatever?

Edited to fix my atrocious grammar haha
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I'm OK with it. 25 minutes +2 is long enough in 112 degree weather.

They may have saved a life or 2.


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Berm wrote:
Reed said the same things as RC, he left his comfort zone and has raced both GP's and US Nationals, think he should keep quiet too...
Reed said the same things as RC, he left his comfort zone and has raced both GP's and US Nationals, think he should keep quiet too? Why cherry-pick RC when he agreed with Reed?
How many times did Reed ride in Thailand when he was in the GP's?
3/9/2015 10:25pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Probably his body needed some sugars after such a race.
There has to be better ways to ingest sugar than drinking a coke. How about fruit?

Seems like a huge misstep to me, but what do I know!?
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BD233 wrote:
[b]"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits...
"And it’s so much you have to necessarily worry about the top guys, but anybody anywhere outside the top ten that might not know their limits or anything… I think it’s a safety thing. Five minutes basically was about three laps. That’s really not going to do a whole lot. I think that was a decent call, being that we all came from Europe and the extreme temperature that we just came to from there."

So he didn't need the race cut short, the out of shape guys did....I'm with Reed and RC on this. Sorry not sorry....
jemcee wrote:
It has nothing to do with the actual heat but more to do with the fact that they have no real chance to get accustomed to...
It has nothing to do with the actual heat but more to do with the fact that they have no real chance to get accustomed to it.. I'm sure you're a heat badass but you've dealt with it way more.. you ever go to a colder climate and you're all rugged up and still cold but there's dudes running around in t-shirts?

No RV didn't need it cut short, obviously neither did Cairoli or Desalle or any of the other 'pussies' the guys you, RC and Reed are criticising it was the the guys that don't have the same awareness of their bodies as the top guys.. What you're saying is they only need to worry about the top guys everyone else can just die or whatever?

Edited to fix my atrocious grammar haha
Not sure I agree completely with the "no real chance to get accustomed to it" deal, especially with the smaller, generally supported gates like we are seeing for "fly away " races. RV moved over 3000 miles from his original home to train in heat and humidity, I'm pretty sure the GP regulars could mostly find some hot and humid training grounds around 3000 miles away........

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