Question for DC

DA498 wrote:

We need a Florida sand track, I rode the Winter Series back in the day and remember some real sand tracks (southwick is not) I don't...

We need a Florida sand track, I rode the Winter Series back in the day and remember some real sand tracks (southwick is not)

I don't buy into the whole track prep debate as some, these guys know how to ride, its more of familiarity thing to me, Cities, Countries, Food, Weather, Soft, Hard, Wet, Whoops, Jumps, Starts.....

You have the whole package, You Win!

iBobbyb wrote:

we dont have any true hardpack tracks anymore because they suck.

FIREfish148 wrote:

You've never been to washougal I'm assuming. Tell Dungey that hard pack tracks suck...

DC wrote:

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to...

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to work on the tracks other than shape up some nasty jump faces or a berm that extends into the first turn. The mystery to me is how someone doesn't think Unadilla or RedBud or Glen Helen get rough -- they are brutal. But they are also very well prepped and managed before the riders even go out.

Live TV is extremely important to the teams trying to find sponsors, and while our tracks are prepped differently than GP tracks, to say they are all the same is not really accurate. Like the GPs, the same track manager oversees the prep, but unlike the GPs, we do it all in one day, and they have the luxury of two days and much less riders... And the reason we went away from a two-day format is that after 18 weeks of supercross, we would probably see some riders return to "supercross-only" deals, to be painfully honest.

My opinion:

We lost in Lommel because the sand was truly different for our guys, but we still got on the podium, but those German guys were very fast too.

We lost in Germany because Eli Tomac and Justin Barcia had some very untimely crashes, but still got on the podium, but those Belgian guys were very fast too.

We lost in Latvia because Jeremy Martin raced with a broken foot and Eli Tomac and Ryan Dungey had some very untimely crashes, but we still got on the podium, but those French guys were very fast too.

The single thing (besides luck and crashes) that I believe has been hurting our guys is the fact that our series ends mid-August, at the request of teams -- they have to have some kind of break, and it's usually September -- and the inability to draw a lot of fans out during football season. With the MXoN is six weeks later, our guys probably aren't as sharp as they are when our series ends.

DC
MX Sports

FIREfish148 wrote:

You've never been to washougal I'm assuming. Tell Dungey that hard pack tracks suck...

Flatliner wrote:

I don't see that as hard pack in a true sense. I've never ridden it , but I have ridden tracks so hard they may as...

I don't see that as hard pack in a true sense. I've never ridden it , but I have ridden tracks so hard they may as well be concrete, and they didn't look like washougal.

Real hardpack sucks.

NV825 wrote:

Dixon, CA has (or had, not sure if it's still there) a track that should have had a sign at the entrance alerting riders to bring...

Dixon, CA has (or had, not sure if it's still there) a track that should have had a sign at the entrance alerting riders to bring a road tire with them. Also the old Elsinore was hard as hell, but good for the jump faces on the giant jumps.

DC wrote:

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to...

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to work on the tracks other than shape up some nasty jump faces or a berm that extends into the first turn. The mystery to me is how someone doesn't think Unadilla or RedBud or Glen Helen get rough -- they are brutal. But they are also very well prepped and managed before the riders even go out.

Live TV is extremely important to the teams trying to find sponsors, and while our tracks are prepped differently than GP tracks, to say they are all the same is not really accurate. Like the GPs, the same track manager oversees the prep, but unlike the GPs, we do it all in one day, and they have the luxury of two days and much less riders... And the reason we went away from a two-day format is that after 18 weeks of supercross, we would probably see some riders return to "supercross-only" deals, to be painfully honest.

My opinion:

We lost in Lommel because the sand was truly different for our guys, but we still got on the podium, but those German guys were very fast too.

We lost in Germany because Eli Tomac and Justin Barcia had some very untimely crashes, but still got on the podium, but those Belgian guys were very fast too.

We lost in Latvia because Jeremy Martin raced with a broken foot and Eli Tomac and Ryan Dungey had some very untimely crashes, but we still got on the podium, but those French guys were very fast too.

The single thing (besides luck and crashes) that I believe has been hurting our guys is the fact that our series ends mid-August, at the request of teams -- they have to have some kind of break, and it's usually September -- and the inability to draw a lot of fans out during football season. With the MXoN is six weeks later, our guys probably aren't as sharp as they are when our series ends.

DC
MX Sports

moscrop940 wrote:

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much. We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of...

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much.

We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of outdoor motocross and he his kind enough to take a few minutes and give you his views.

Love it DC

brocky2727 wrote:

I wouldn't care too much about the tracks lacking variety or needing difficulty. All we should care about is what produces the best racing. Good competitive...

I wouldn't care too much about the tracks lacking variety or needing difficulty. All we should care about is what produces the best racing. Good competitive racing makes fans happy which get sponsors and grows the sport.

moscrop940 wrote:

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much. We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of...

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much.

We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of outdoor motocross and he his kind enough to take a few minutes and give you his views.

Love it DC

moscrop940 wrote:

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much. We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of...

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much.

We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of outdoor motocross and he his kind enough to take a few minutes and give you his views.

Love it DC

mark_swart wrote:

/\ Totally!!

Best. Sport. Ever.

DonM wrote:

So True!! And the GP's get Geoff spouting meaningless propaganda.......

jeffro503 wrote:

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread......... Some will say " Why cater to...

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread.........

Some will say " Why cater to the American's.....there are 30 other countries that race it too! " ( MXoN's )........let's not look at it like that. Lets take a step back and look at it as two different series......the AMA nationals and the GP's.

Getting the MXoN's race scheduled so that it makes it a little easier. If there is 6 weeks before the race....why not compromise some how? I can see why some of our guys don't want to do it after racing for 8.5 months strait......then a 6 week break before that race. That schedule sucks for the dudes doing it.

jeffro503 wrote:

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread......... Some will say " Why cater to...

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread.........

Some will say " Why cater to the American's.....there are 30 other countries that race it too! " ( MXoN's )........let's not look at it like that. Lets take a step back and look at it as two different series......the AMA nationals and the GP's.

Getting the MXoN's race scheduled so that it makes it a little easier. If there is 6 weeks before the race....why not compromise some how? I can see why some of our guys don't want to do it after racing for 8.5 months strait......then a 6 week break before that race. That schedule sucks for the dudes doing it.

RY4N37 wrote:

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation...

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation, they can't change they run the AMA series just to give the US MXoN team the best chance to win, and they can't change the way they run the GP's just so everyone has an equal shot at the MXoN.

jeffro503 wrote:

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread......... Some will say " Why cater to...

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread.........

Some will say " Why cater to the American's.....there are 30 other countries that race it too! " ( MXoN's )........let's not look at it like that. Lets take a step back and look at it as two different series......the AMA nationals and the GP's.

Getting the MXoN's race scheduled so that it makes it a little easier. If there is 6 weeks before the race....why not compromise some how? I can see why some of our guys don't want to do it after racing for 8.5 months strait......then a 6 week break before that race. That schedule sucks for the dudes doing it.

RY4N37 wrote:

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation...

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation, they can't change they run the AMA series just to give the US MXoN team the best chance to win, and they can't change the way they run the GP's just so everyone has an equal shot at the MXoN.

jeffro503 wrote:

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out...

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out of thier sails ( the American riders ). If ( and I'm saying IF ) the MXoN's race was a week after our last national.....our boys would still be sharp. And yeah , I know the GP schedule can't change......but what if the nationals AND the GP schedule changed a bit?

Like maybe getting the GP's and nationals to stop their series around a closer time? See what I'm saying? Honestly.....the Nationals start right after the last SX........I think there should be a break in between and then extend the last nationals out a week or two. Get it so we only have like 2 weeks off before the big race.

Just a thought.

jeffro503 wrote:

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread......... Some will say " Why cater to...

One thing to add before the GP guys come in here and flame the shit out of this thread.........

Some will say " Why cater to the American's.....there are 30 other countries that race it too! " ( MXoN's )........let's not look at it like that. Lets take a step back and look at it as two different series......the AMA nationals and the GP's.

Getting the MXoN's race scheduled so that it makes it a little easier. If there is 6 weeks before the race....why not compromise some how? I can see why some of our guys don't want to do it after racing for 8.5 months strait......then a 6 week break before that race. That schedule sucks for the dudes doing it.

RY4N37 wrote:

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation...

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation, they can't change they run the AMA series just to give the US MXoN team the best chance to win, and they can't change the way they run the GP's just so everyone has an equal shot at the MXoN.

jeffro503 wrote:

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out...

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out of thier sails ( the American riders ). If ( and I'm saying IF ) the MXoN's race was a week after our last national.....our boys would still be sharp. And yeah , I know the GP schedule can't change......but what if the nationals AND the GP schedule changed a bit?

Like maybe getting the GP's and nationals to stop their series around a closer time? See what I'm saying? Honestly.....the Nationals start right after the last SX........I think there should be a break in between and then extend the last nationals out a week or two. Get it so we only have like 2 weeks off before the big race.

Just a thought.

RY4N37 wrote:

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation...

The problem is that the MXoN is 1 week after the GP season finishes, so it's as early as it can be. It's a difficult situation, they can't change they run the AMA series just to give the US MXoN team the best chance to win, and they can't change the way they run the GP's just so everyone has an equal shot at the MXoN.

jeffro503 wrote:

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out...

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out of thier sails ( the American riders ). If ( and I'm saying IF ) the MXoN's race was a week after our last national.....our boys would still be sharp. And yeah , I know the GP schedule can't change......but what if the nationals AND the GP schedule changed a bit?

Like maybe getting the GP's and nationals to stop their series around a closer time? See what I'm saying? Honestly.....the Nationals start right after the last SX........I think there should be a break in between and then extend the last nationals out a week or two. Get it so we only have like 2 weeks off before the big race.

Just a thought.

iBobbyb wrote:

DC said, in this thread, that the ama season ends when it does because thats when the teams wanted it to end. if they started it...

DC said, in this thread, that the ama season ends when it does because thats when the teams wanted it to end. if they started it later and ended it later, there really wouldnt be an off season. just two short breaks a year.

jeffro503 wrote:

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out...

I totally get what you're saying....I do. It's been this way for quite some time , but that long break seems to take the wind out of thier sails ( the American riders ). If ( and I'm saying IF ) the MXoN's race was a week after our last national.....our boys would still be sharp. And yeah , I know the GP schedule can't change......but what if the nationals AND the GP schedule changed a bit?

Like maybe getting the GP's and nationals to stop their series around a closer time? See what I'm saying? Honestly.....the Nationals start right after the last SX........I think there should be a break in between and then extend the last nationals out a week or two. Get it so we only have like 2 weeks off before the big race.

Just a thought.

iBobbyb wrote:

DC said, in this thread, that the ama season ends when it does because thats when the teams wanted it to end. if they started it...

DC said, in this thread, that the ama season ends when it does because thats when the teams wanted it to end. if they started it later and ended it later, there really wouldnt be an off season. just two short breaks a year.

jeffro503 wrote:

Extending the break between SX and when the nationals start by two weeks.....would help tremendously! That's a longer break in between , more time to get...

Extending the break between SX and when the nationals start by two weeks.....would help tremendously! That's a longer break in between , more time to get testing done for the outdoors AND get our riders to be more sharp and in better shape for the MXoN's race.

That's what seems to kill us. It's not just the American riders....but guys like Roczen , Musquin , Tonus ect.....it could really help their teams out as well. This isn't an American rider ploy.....it's a ploy for the AMA riders.....no mater what country they come from.

IceMan446 wrote:

I think they should alternate the location of the MXoNs every other year. One year a track from the US series, the next year a track...

I think they should alternate the location of the MXoNs every other year.

One year a track from the US series, the next year a track from the GP series.

Only real way to make things even.

When you go ten years between having a MXoNs on American soil its a bit lopsided IMO

DC wrote:

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to...

When you have four motos running live, back to back to back to back, and no breaks in between, there's not a lot of time to work on the tracks other than shape up some nasty jump faces or a berm that extends into the first turn. The mystery to me is how someone doesn't think Unadilla or RedBud or Glen Helen get rough -- they are brutal. But they are also very well prepped and managed before the riders even go out.

Live TV is extremely important to the teams trying to find sponsors, and while our tracks are prepped differently than GP tracks, to say they are all the same is not really accurate. Like the GPs, the same track manager oversees the prep, but unlike the GPs, we do it all in one day, and they have the luxury of two days and much less riders... And the reason we went away from a two-day format is that after 18 weeks of supercross, we would probably see some riders return to "supercross-only" deals, to be painfully honest.

My opinion:

We lost in Lommel because the sand was truly different for our guys, but we still got on the podium, but those German guys were very fast too.

We lost in Germany because Eli Tomac and Justin Barcia had some very untimely crashes, but still got on the podium, but those Belgian guys were very fast too.

We lost in Latvia because Jeremy Martin raced with a broken foot and Eli Tomac and Ryan Dungey had some very untimely crashes, but we still got on the podium, but those French guys were very fast too.

The single thing (besides luck and crashes) that I believe has been hurting our guys is the fact that our series ends mid-August, at the request of teams -- they have to have some kind of break, and it's usually September -- and the inability to draw a lot of fans out during football season. With the MXoN is six weeks later, our guys probably aren't as sharp as they are when our series ends.

DC
MX Sports

moscrop940 wrote:

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much. We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of...

DC responding in this chat room is exactly why I love our sport so much.

We have the guy who, in essence, is the head of outdoor motocross and he his kind enough to take a few minutes and give you his views.

Love it DC

scott_nz wrote:

it should be in america no more than every 5 years, it has not been to the southern hemisphere since 1992, and that was the only...

it should be in america no more than every 5 years, it has not been to the southern hemisphere since 1992, and that was the only time,

gharmon wrote:

You know he only comes here cause he lost a bet right? It's not because he wants to talk to us and be a normal guy...

You know he only comes here cause he lost a bet right? It's not because he wants to talk to us and be a normal guy!! But hey DC we appreciate the hell out of it. Im visiting a new venue this year in your series. Well it's new to me!! Unadilla!!!

Thanks for taking the time Davie!!

DC wrote:

NV825, we have already discussed this with Roger and other team managers and I think you will see most events revert to the 250s going first...

NV825, we have already discussed this with Roger and other team managers and I think you will see most events revert to the 250s going first, 450s second, in 2015 and beyond. We have a meeting at Daytona tomorrow to discuss it more. But the live window for NBC Network races might mean something different for select events. We will know more next week.

I can tell you both Hangtown and Glen Helen will be starting at 2 pm rather than 1 pm so all four motos can air live, which is a great change from getting bumped back by the NHL Playoffs in the two early rounds...

DC
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