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Mr. Info
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I know John does not need me to say he right or wrong and I am not defending him just his actions. First and foremost John is the FIM Referee and is responsible for the 450 class only so anything going on in the 250's is AMA. Second unless you have had to referee a race of any sort you do not let what others say about what they saw or what they think another rider does for what reason.
Friend or not that should never come into play and knowing John he plays by the rules and sometimes you have to make a quick judgment that others might not like. I know because I am an AMA Referee for AMA races and other events at Glen Helen. I have DQ'd friends and others who were not for things they have done. Sorry rules are rules and bending them means there are no rules. And the biggest issue is always what others saw someone do. I can't see it all and I know John can't either but he saw this happen right in front of him and made his decision. Like it or not that's his job not yours. Your responses are made off of your feelings about a rider not by the rules. And again John does not rule on the 250 class as its not an FIM Championship. That's my 2 cents from how I do my job and I know John does his as a true Professional.
Friend or not that should never come into play and knowing John he plays by the rules and sometimes you have to make a quick judgment that others might not like. I know because I am an AMA Referee for AMA races and other events at Glen Helen. I have DQ'd friends and others who were not for things they have done. Sorry rules are rules and bending them means there are no rules. And the biggest issue is always what others saw someone do. I can't see it all and I know John can't either but he saw this happen right in front of him and made his decision. Like it or not that's his job not yours. Your responses are made off of your feelings about a rider not by the rules. And again John does not rule on the 250 class as its not an FIM Championship. That's my 2 cents from how I do my job and I know John does his as a true Professional.
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Rider popularity shouldn't have anything to do with it but the FIM are literally f'ing themselves and our sport. Of course, initial blame falls on the athlete, obviously, but the FIM and their officials aren't helping our sport with some decisions recently. Villo leaves (nothing could be done about that), James is hit with a super harsh penalty...harsher than it should have been for a first offence...and then you take possibly the most popular rider (other than the suspended James) out of any contention for a title, even though it was getting to be long shot from the first two weeks. Still possible, though.
Rules are rules but they seem to be "sometimes" trying to prove they are bad asses and it is biting them in ticket sales and it is never good to basically eliminate the two remaining most popular draws. sure, penalties should be assessed but in both james case and now Chads the penalty was too severe, especially James. In my opinion..
A new officiating process is needed before the sport becomes a joke. Reed was wrong, Gallagher was more wrong.
I wouldn't have any problem with Reed having lost his points for the night, had they waited until the race was over, spoken with both riders, and then made the call. Feld may as well ditch the FIM and the AMA and enforce the rules themselves. They could do no worse.
You can have special rules though and I understand that but just realize that these decisions are hurting them.
Either way, they are separate instances. I'm just saying that the Reed decision seemed a bit much, especially sine it was made on the spot, in the heat of what happened.
How can anyone say it's the right call when it happens more often than not and nothing comes from it.
I posted elsewhere but they've previously made race result altering decisions and then reversed... (Phoenix 2010 CR/JS), a week later(Phoenix 2004 KW/DV), 2 weeks later(Mid 2006 RC fuel), or a month later(Mid2005 Kawi/Yamaha fuel)... So it's not like they've got a track record of being professional, consistent, or anything other than a complete clusterfuck...
edit: looks like Crush was saying pretty much the same thing as I was typing this.
Don't make a non-passing deliberate take out attempt on a non-normal line choice with a rider gathering himself together right in front of the officials and especially right after a collision with that rider.
Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard again, no one knew his mindset, but it was obvious he lost his composure, and sense of rationality for a period of time.
The AMA had an obligation to Canard and the rest of the field to take an obviously unpredictable rider off the track, or else who knows what would have happened if Reed continued to throw his temper tantrum.
Mr Info is dead on correct.
Gimme a break.
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Agree.
I'm sure there are some circumstances where other riders should have been black flagged, McGrath at San Diego was one of them, I was sitting right there and MC should have had his ass flagged.
Point being is that when someone does shit like this, people can get hurt. Im really surprised that it was Chad, the senior star of supercross. He stopped being a professional when he did that and lost his composure.
Accidentally? I was there that evening and earlier in the night James ran MC off the track in the heat race. I would need to see a replay to put this to rest but my memory is James didn't have to do what he did in the heat race.
That's definitely why he fell down, but Chad had no way of knowing Trey was playing with his goggles, and in either case, it's irrelevant.
If Reed had T-Boned him in the next corner, then we can talk about retaliation, or a risk of someone getting hurt or any other such crap. There's a lot pf pussholes here claiming it was some dirty move, it was barely a nudge, and identical if not worse nudges and hits, actual hits that have been deliberate, have multiple times been ignored this season and even that night.
I have spoken with a couple of buddies, one in Florida and another in Connecticut. Florida guy said Reed's line was funny through that section and is why Canard landed on him. He felt Canard's line was appropriate as was the penalty but east coast guy said so freaking way it was all a racing move on Reed's part through that section and faulted Canard so feels the punishment against Reed was too harsh.
What's your take Crush on Chad's line selection though the section he was landed on?
I have no problem with Trey's choice to through it in there, though obviously opens up potential for contact, and really, most normal people try not to land on/run over the guy in front...
I wouldn't argue for a second that what Chad did was right. Clearly it wasn't. People arguing over whether that is right or wrong, it's completely irrelevant.
The issue is the flag.
It was barely a tap.
He wasn't swinging an axe or t-boning Trey or at risk of going after him (Fucking hilarious btw, when Gallagher needs work, there's stand up waiting, clearly).
Trey wouldn't have fallen over if he was faffing with goggles.
The officials literally ignored 3 other take downs that night and at A1 an admitted payback pass.
And past anything else, why black flag anyone on the spot where there is no recourse, and you have a history of fucking up rulings and reversing them at a later date.
A month or so ago they're writing annoyed letters that they get no discussion in the James case, and here they act so there is no chance of the same.
I'm not anti-FIM, how can you be, it is what it is. But clearly the system isn't working. 2004. 2005. 2006. 2010. 2014. 2015.
They're incompetent.
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