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gharmon 1/10/2015 9:37pm
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I think Tomac has always had maybe a hair more pure outright speed. But like some others mentioned Tomac has a tendency to get bad starts. Had Tomac started 5th-6th I don't think he would have caught a Kroc that had gotten the holeshot. I, like most of you west of the atlantic am pulling for Tomac (since Poto left) but Kenny will be there at the end and I see the large majority of the races wins going to these two guys. They are clearly the fastest!!
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gharmon 1/10/2015 9:42pm
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jamma10 wrote:
Oh you noticed it too... Smile
DownSouth wrote:
The way I saw it was that Eli laid the smack down and Kenny didn't have anything for him tonight. :P I just think it is...
The way I saw it was that Eli laid the smack down and Kenny didn't have anything for him tonight. Tongue

I just think it is funny that just about everyone east of the Atlantic ocean Believes Roczen is the fastest and those of us west of the Atlantic side with Tomac.
jamma10 wrote:
The way I saw it was that Tomac was marginally faster and Kenny, but Tomac also needed that win far more than Kenny did.
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan but I don't like all the chest thumping from either side. Just let the guys race and may the best man win. I truly hope that's Tomac but I wont be talking shit along the way.
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pilotdude 1/10/2015 9:47pm
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pilotdude wrote:
Kroc fans better PRAY he doesn't have a mechanical or crash, because if he does he will be in very deep doo doo.
KlootZak wrote:
Okay, I'll jump. Tomac fans better PRAY he keep getting those starts because track history states otherwise and when Tomac doesn't start well, things will go...
Okay, I'll jump. Tomac fans better PRAY he keep getting those starts because track history states otherwise and when Tomac doesn't start well, things will go south very quick
If Tomac is just close at the start, that will be enough.

He's better.

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DownSouth wrote:
The way I saw it was that Eli laid the smack down and Kenny didn't have anything for him tonight. :P I just think it is...
The way I saw it was that Eli laid the smack down and Kenny didn't have anything for him tonight. Tongue

I just think it is funny that just about everyone east of the Atlantic ocean Believes Roczen is the fastest and those of us west of the Atlantic side with Tomac.
jamma10 wrote:
The way I saw it was that Tomac was marginally faster and Kenny, but Tomac also needed that win far more than Kenny did.
gharmon wrote:
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan...
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan but I don't like all the chest thumping from either side. Just let the guys race and may the best man win. I truly hope that's Tomac but I wont be talking shit along the way.
Nope.....someone else said Tomac has always had Ken Roczen's (KR) number and you see it manifest itself here again. It looked like KR was emboldened from his 450 outdoor title and last week's win so I think he thought the tables are even...so he fought back with more vigor than in previous encounters with ET, but ET appears to know otherwise and it is as it was...ET can beat KR and KR knows it (JMO).
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gharmon 1/10/2015 9:52pm
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pilotdude wrote:
Kroc fans better PRAY he doesn't have a mechanical or crash, because if he does he will be in very deep doo doo.
KlootZak wrote:
Okay, I'll jump. Tomac fans better PRAY he keep getting those starts because track history states otherwise and when Tomac doesn't start well, things will go...
Okay, I'll jump. Tomac fans better PRAY he keep getting those starts because track history states otherwise and when Tomac doesn't start well, things will go south very quick
pilotdude wrote:
If Tomac is just close at the start, that will be enough.

He's better.
in this field the days of people coming from outside the top 10 are gonna be hard with the field we have now. That ride James had last year where he came from like 13th to win are a thing of the past I think.
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pilotdude 1/10/2015 9:54pm
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I said close bud, not outside the top ten.
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I agree that Tomac's starts have always been a problem for him. But I do not agree on the crashes. Last year he crashed and hurt himself a few times. And I assume that's what got him the "crasher" reputation. But if you watched him during 2013 250 MX, he didn't crash. He crashed out of one main event in 2013 250 SX which you could argue cost him the championship. And he didn't really have any issues during his 2012 250 SX championship campaign. So I am assuming the whole crashing thing is purely based off of recent memory, i.e. 2014 SX/MX practice and last weeks main.
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gharmon 1/10/2015 9:56pm
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jamma10 wrote:
The way I saw it was that Tomac was marginally faster and Kenny, but Tomac also needed that win far more than Kenny did.
gharmon wrote:
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan...
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan but I don't like all the chest thumping from either side. Just let the guys race and may the best man win. I truly hope that's Tomac but I wont be talking shit along the way.
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Nope.....someone else said Tomac has always had Ken Roczen's (KR) number and you see it manifest itself here again. It looked like KR was emboldened from...
Nope.....someone else said Tomac has always had Ken Roczen's (KR) number and you see it manifest itself here again. It looked like KR was emboldened from his 450 outdoor title and last week's win so I think he thought the tables are even...so he fought back with more vigor than in previous encounters with ET, but ET appears to know otherwise and it is as it was...ET can beat KR and KR knows it (JMO).
I do think it gets in Kroc's head more than it does Eli but if you guys think this is gonna be easy for Eli I think you're wrong. My prediction is Eli will win like 7 and Kroc will win 5-6. The rest will sprinkle around the other guys and Dungey could very well be there to take the title in the end. That's just my opinion.
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gharmon 1/10/2015 9:56pm
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pilotdude wrote:
I said close bud, not outside the top ten.
Okay. Understood.
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Tokyo_Tiddler 1/10/2015 10:06pm
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It was a good battle between them two. Roczen clearly is comfortable on the RMZ and was riding very smooth. I thought he had the win and an edge over Tomac. We all know that Tomac's unique trait is that he gets stronger as the race goes on. Once he started to pull a little gap on Roczen, I think Roczen was a little (and I mean a little) demoralized which allowed Tomac to pull a bigger gap.

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Tokyo_Tiddler 1/10/2015 10:12pm
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gharmon wrote:
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan...
I agree with this statement. It's way to early to be fighting for wins you don't have to have at this moment. I'm a Tomac fan but I don't like all the chest thumping from either side. Just let the guys race and may the best man win. I truly hope that's Tomac but I wont be talking shit along the way.
rutsmash wrote:
Nope.....someone else said Tomac has always had Ken Roczen's (KR) number and you see it manifest itself here again. It looked like KR was emboldened from...
Nope.....someone else said Tomac has always had Ken Roczen's (KR) number and you see it manifest itself here again. It looked like KR was emboldened from his 450 outdoor title and last week's win so I think he thought the tables are even...so he fought back with more vigor than in previous encounters with ET, but ET appears to know otherwise and it is as it was...ET can beat KR and KR knows it (JMO).
gharmon wrote:
I do think it gets in Kroc's head more than it does Eli but if you guys think this is gonna be easy for Eli I...
I do think it gets in Kroc's head more than it does Eli but if you guys think this is gonna be easy for Eli I think you're wrong. My prediction is Eli will win like 7 and Kroc will win 5-6. The rest will sprinkle around the other guys and Dungey could very well be there to take the title in the end. That's just my opinion.
Sounds plausible. Could be that Roczen gets the 7 wins and Tomac gets 6 and the remainder sprinkled among other riders. By the 4th or 5th race, you have a pretty good sense how the season going to play out and who the contenders for the championship barring that no one gets hurt. This is why I usually get bored of watching SX after 5 races. I never get bored of watching the outdoor MX races... more dynamic.

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chrisbuehler 1/10/2015 10:16pm
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GD2 wrote:
I agree that Tomac's starts have always been a problem for him. But I do not agree on the crashes. Last year he crashed and hurt...
I agree that Tomac's starts have always been a problem for him. But I do not agree on the crashes. Last year he crashed and hurt himself a few times. And I assume that's what got him the "crasher" reputation. But if you watched him during 2013 250 MX, he didn't crash. He crashed out of one main event in 2013 250 SX which you could argue cost him the championship. And he didn't really have any issues during his 2012 250 SX championship campaign. So I am assuming the whole crashing thing is purely based off of recent memory, i.e. 2014 SX/MX practice and last weeks main.
Agreed 100%. Someone just compared him to Stewart. When has Tomac yardsaled like Bubba? He got couple injures getting used to the 450, big deal. His SX was all chopped up last yr. I don't believe we can even say he's a bad starter yet. On a 250'when he was huge on it, yeah. Let's get a full season sample if the 450 gets him starts.
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A lot of Eli's speed comes from pure athleticism. He can just bash through stuff harder than anyone else...and he just keeps coming. He is the best athlete in MX. A number of other riders are probably better technical riders, but Eli can just beat them down.
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mehow2g 1/11/2015 1:34am
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That pass over Roczen was just incredible... that was JS7 like... the balance was insane...

At the end of the Motocross title last year I could see Tomac really getting it together, he will be a champion.
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kongols 1/11/2015 1:45am
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That pass over Roczen was just incredible... that was JS7 like... the balance was insane... At the end of the Motocross title last year I could...
That pass over Roczen was just incredible... that was JS7 like... the balance was insane...

At the end of the Motocross title last year I could see Tomac really getting it together, he will be a champion.
Tomac was not that good at the end of motocross season last year. It was Canard who was on fire.
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It is funny with this KR vs ET thing. It seems to me that when Eli are fighting KR, he always seems to give it a little more, than if he is fighting with ex. Cannard, dungey or bagget. I saw the same with Barcia in 13/14 when he raced KR, he always looked like to give it a little extra. Its like if Cannard passes ET or Barcia, they accept it better, but if it is Kroc, it ligts a fire in them.. Just my own observation.
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PressPassP 1/11/2015 4:09am
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DownSouth wrote:
Lots of guys with GBR, DEU, FIN, and SWE as their locations are about to show up and say that Roczen was just riding for points.
In response to the predictable anti-Euro/Roczen jibe when he gets beat,by the usual pro US/anti-Roczen glory nuthuggers,Tomac was faster,Roczen gave it up a couple of laps after being passed

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MotoMan12345 1/11/2015 4:51am
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Samuel wrote:
Where's the asshole that said "Tomac's a 6-8th place guy, if he can stay up."?
I know right!!
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S.Loyer 1/11/2015 4:54am
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We had one round where Tomac is the fucking man (As I expected he would be) so we just assume he is gonna be the fastest most consistent every round now?

Naahhhhh. Lets give it more than two races.

But Markit, you should never show your face here again you think a guy who posted these results ----



the last 12-13 races is a top 6-8 results rider? 100% Healed and with loads of seat time? Did you know JS and RV isn't racing
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zook11 wrote:
is clearly the fastest rider in the 450 class. Roczen was trying like hell to beat him but got worked.
WFO! wrote:
Just like the outdoors in the past between these two.....Eli has always had Roxy's number. Really.
I agree and in more then one way. I think Tomac is mentally stronger also.
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joeellis 1/11/2015 7:16am
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I for one am loving the possibility of several more years of battles between KRoc and Eli. Regardless of who wins, these are two bad asses on two wheels and we are all lucky to get to see their battles. I feel that they are so close that it just depends on the week, the track, who's feeling it on a particular weekend. This is so much fun and we have others that are going to be in the fights too. To top it off, they are both top notch guys. MX/Supercross need these two and the others to promote and advance this great sport and they are doing so admirably.

Maybe my comments aren't brutal as most would like, but share your opinions and realize we are the one's that are going to benefit from these battles!
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Pumpkin37 1/11/2015 7:22am
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DownSouth wrote:
Lots of guys with GBR, DEU, FIN, and SWE as their locations are about to show up and say that Roczen was just riding for points.
I don't understand your illogical notion that nationalism has anything do with these racers. They don't care. Most people don't care. Ken was fast, Eli was fast, both will be fast for a long time and probably trading wins often. I'm an American who's been living in London for several years which has been a great way to experience both the racing and the fans. No need to stir the pot as you've done.
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DonM 1/11/2015 7:29am
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jamma10 wrote:
The way I saw it was that Tomac was marginally faster and Kenny, but Tomac also needed that win far more than Kenny did.
pilotdude wrote:
Marginally faster.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
jamma10 wrote:
His best lap time in the main was 0.259 faster than Roczens.
That's just comparing 1 lap....last I checked it's a 20 lap race, you might want to compare the other 19....Give credit where credit is due, last night Tomac was quite a bit faster than Ken...but it's only one race, on to next weekend...
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zook11 1/11/2015 8:25am
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visser62 wrote:
Oh, and zook, it's good to see that now that RV is retired, you can still just latch onto whoever is winning.
jamma10 wrote:
I was thinking exactly the same.

Glory seekers - especially those quick to gloat - are the worst type of fans.
I've always been a fan of tomac and was RVs biggest fan in 09 when he was getting 4ths and 5ths. Morans

And of course I want the American to win, which he did, dominating roczen. Wink
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gharmon 1/11/2015 11:48am
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Guys this is not domination. Do you not remember RC, JS, RV and the like winning by over 30 seconds at times and could have been more if they hadn't backed it down. Now that was domination. 6 seconds is not!!
BristolBlue 1/11/2015 12:03pm
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Has everyone forgot last week already? Didn't Roczen win?
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jeffro503 1/11/2015 1:09pm
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I'm a huge Tomac fan and it was great to see him win it last night. With that being said.....I am not taking anything away from Kenny. The dude will be rock solid all year.

I think they'll both have their good nights and bad nights. To much of a fan of BOTH guys. And as a fan.....it was really cool seeing them go at it. The roles could completely reverse next weekend. I'm all good about it too.
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SF45 1/11/2015 1:26pm
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Roczen has reason to be concerned.

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