Gopro's no longer allowed? FIM says no?

GeorgiePorgie 12/21/2014 2:26pm
12/21/2014 2:26pm
Jeff alessi wrote:
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in...
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in my opinion and it's very apparent. Helmets company's should have an optional product that has a mounting slot for your type of camera in a safe spot!
I can agree with that all day.
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PressPassP 12/21/2014 2:57pm
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One big court case after an unfortunate event could have some dire consequences,the picture of the camera lens on top of the helmet would be the way to go if you could get the stability imo
motokiwi 12/21/2014 2:59pm
12/21/2014 2:59pm
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I am so completely tired of the FIM's bullshit.
Its not bullshit, the FIM are trying to keep everyone safe, weather that be drug testing or gopro's not being allowed on a helmet.

Stop thinking Merica is the bee all and end all, and just except there are some sporting bodies that rule the entire world, for the safety of the entire world. By the sounds of some of you guys, you would think the FIM are trying to take your guns away!
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Markee 12/21/2014 3:14pm
12/21/2014 3:14pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2014 4:39pm
Sawfish wrote:
I am so completely tired of the FIM's bullshit.
motokiwi wrote:
Its not bullshit, the FIM are trying to keep everyone safe, weather that be drug testing or gopro's not being allowed on a helmet. Stop thinking...
Its not bullshit, the FIM are trying to keep everyone safe, weather that be drug testing or gopro's not being allowed on a helmet.

Stop thinking Merica is the bee all and end all, and just except there are some sporting bodies that rule the entire world, for the safety of the entire world. By the sounds of some of you guys, you would think the FIM are trying to take your guns away!
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you?

Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying gopro is a risk they are not willing to take is beyond logic. Its a supercross race designed for high speed, risk and excitement for the entertainment of viewers. Safety is and its progression are great, but 5.75oz is the least of their worries in regards to safety.

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motokiwi 12/21/2014 3:27pm
12/21/2014 3:27pm
Markee wrote:
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you? Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying...
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you?

Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying gopro is a risk they are not willing to take is beyond logic. Its a supercross race designed for high speed, risk and excitement for the entertainment of viewers. Safety is and its progression are great, but 5.75oz is the least of their worries in regards to safety.
Nope it does not offend me, however pretty much every country outside of America accepts that the FIM have obviously done their homework and know what they are talking about..

In my opinion there is a certain arrogance in the USA attitude that thinks no one can tell you what to do, even if its in your best interests... this same attitude comes thru in foreign policy and a number of other things. Im not meaning of offend anyone, just pointing out a perspective from someone living in another country.
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Markee 12/21/2014 4:46pm
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Markee wrote:
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you? Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying...
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you?

Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying gopro is a risk they are not willing to take is beyond logic. Its a supercross race designed for high speed, risk and excitement for the entertainment of viewers. Safety is and its progression are great, but 5.75oz is the least of their worries in regards to safety.
motokiwi wrote:
Nope it does not offend me, however pretty much every country outside of America accepts that the FIM have obviously done their homework and know what...
Nope it does not offend me, however pretty much every country outside of America accepts that the FIM have obviously done their homework and know what they are talking about..

In my opinion there is a certain arrogance in the USA attitude that thinks no one can tell you what to do, even if its in your best interests... this same attitude comes thru in foreign policy and a number of other things. Im not meaning of offend anyone, just pointing out a perspective from someone living in another country.
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? -Thomas Jefferson
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enketchum 12/22/2014 12:13am
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Eddie_E wrote:
An image sensor and lens for these things are smaller than a single "c" size battery. There is no reason that an entire camera body with...
An image sensor and lens for these things are smaller than a single "c" size battery. There is no reason that an entire camera body with battery pack and view screen has to be mounted anywhere on the helmet.
]Everything except the image sensor and lens should be in a pouch sewn into your kidney belt, just like an MP3 player.

Yes, RV, Dungey, Reed, Roczen, Tomac, Canard and all the other top riders are definietely going to wear a kidney belt so they can start using these small cameras

news flash. this isn't 1980. We don't wear kidney belts anymore
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jamma10 12/22/2014 2:25am
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Markee wrote:
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you? Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying...
Life. Liberty and the pre suit of happiness. Does this offend you?

Assuming risk is most things outside of sitting on your ass. The FIM saying gopro is a risk they are not willing to take is beyond logic. Its a supercross race designed for high speed, risk and excitement for the entertainment of viewers. Safety is and its progression are great, but 5.75oz is the least of their worries in regards to safety.
motokiwi wrote:
Nope it does not offend me, however pretty much every country outside of America accepts that the FIM have obviously done their homework and know what...
Nope it does not offend me, however pretty much every country outside of America accepts that the FIM have obviously done their homework and know what they are talking about..

In my opinion there is a certain arrogance in the USA attitude that thinks no one can tell you what to do, even if its in your best interests... this same attitude comes thru in foreign policy and a number of other things. Im not meaning of offend anyone, just pointing out a perspective from someone living in another country.
Markee wrote:
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have...
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? -Thomas Jefferson
We're talking about a sports governing body taking steps to ensure that helmet protection is not compromised here. There's not need to stash guns under your bed.
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SEEMEFIRST 12/22/2014 3:00am
12/22/2014 3:00am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 3:04am
How many helmet cam videos have you seen where the camera ends up on the ground not attached to the rider any more?

I ride in the woods, and if you go for an off track excursion, blitzing through the trees, a little cigarette pack sized "DOO-DAD" isn't gonna be what hurts you.

If it's really safety, what about those visors? And have you seen the big wad of electronics and the wind screens on the Daakar style bikes? That looks like a safe to face plant into.

It really sounds to me like the FIM doesn't want people making money off their races with helmet footage.
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Markee 12/22/2014 5:14am
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Somebody gets it. ^
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wow123 12/22/2014 7:55am
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Markee wrote:
Somebody gets it. ^
but why you dont get that they could be made much smaller and almost "surface mounted"? but

guess what, NOBODY will see it.

many also dont get, that image stabilization is very good now and getting better so mounting on the bike quite possible

but again, NOBODY will see it.

GooPoo et all want them to be seen.

So there is nothing wrong with FIM forcing them to make a smaller safer product
that will function just aswell, that WONT be seen so much.

and to repeat they have always looked stupid to me, a large square plastic box stuck on top of your head/helmet.
Motor_Centre 12/22/2014 8:42am
12/22/2014 8:42am
" and to repeat they have always looked stupid to me, a large square plastic box stuck on top of your head/helmet. "

Agree they have looked "Wrong" from day 1 !
Motor_Centre 12/22/2014 8:51am
12/22/2014 8:51am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 8:52am
Reminds me of this Movie - Design a camera to go on a round helmet - YES - square box ontop - YES - good idea - Brillliant design - YES good - BUY IT !
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hvaughn88 12/22/2014 9:00am
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Sorry to derail this topic, but I just got a GoPro this weekend (late to the party, I know) and I'm looking for any good tips, tricks, advice for using it. Just to give you an idea of what i'll be doing with it...think more along the lines of recording my kids playing sports and stuff like that. More boring stuff as opposed to Robbie maddison type footage, haha. For some reason, i've never really cared for the riding POV footage. I don't know really know why.

I honestly don't know much about them and I'm not the most technologically savvy. I'm assuming the video editing on my iMac will work well for this? Any advice or must have accessories would be appreciated.
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Markee 12/23/2014 5:40am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Sorry to derail this topic, but I just got a GoPro this weekend (late to the party, I know) and I'm looking for any good tips...
Sorry to derail this topic, but I just got a GoPro this weekend (late to the party, I know) and I'm looking for any good tips, tricks, advice for using it. Just to give you an idea of what i'll be doing with it...think more along the lines of recording my kids playing sports and stuff like that. More boring stuff as opposed to Robbie maddison type footage, haha. For some reason, i've never really cared for the riding POV footage. I don't know really know why.

I honestly don't know much about them and I'm not the most technologically savvy. I'm assuming the video editing on my iMac will work well for this? Any advice or must have accessories would be appreciated.
Gopros Cineform software is great for beginners when it comes to editing. Its free. You also have imovie on your mac as well.

Generally you need to be closer than you think to the subject when using a go pro. imac will do fine if its been purchased in the last 3 years or so.

Oviously there are tons of help on youtube.

https://youtu.be/tbtqeCdHgRQ?rel=0
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Kawaboy14 12/23/2014 6:09am
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CR250Rider wrote:
No way a ski helmet and a MX helmet are even close in regard to crash resistance I grow tired of this thing called [i] fim[/i]...
No way a ski helmet and a MX helmet are even close in regard to crash resistance

I grow tired of this thing called fim


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Ditto!
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Motoxtombo 12/23/2014 9:53am
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I hope they figure out a better and smaller camera ,I love the footage we get to see from them but I don't like the Gopro's on top of the helmets for a different reason.
Photos of the riders with a camera on top of a cool painted helmet ruins it for me,I know I'm being picky but its true.Its almost as bad as the yellow track markers getting in the photos at the wrong time at the nationals. Smile
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razi91 12/23/2014 10:14am
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Maybe Bell Helmets did some crash testing with a helmet cam attached? They have integrated camera mounts on their Mountainbike helmets. Maybe someone got information to share on this?

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hvaughn88 12/23/2014 10:15am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Sorry to derail this topic, but I just got a GoPro this weekend (late to the party, I know) and I'm looking for any good tips...
Sorry to derail this topic, but I just got a GoPro this weekend (late to the party, I know) and I'm looking for any good tips, tricks, advice for using it. Just to give you an idea of what i'll be doing with it...think more along the lines of recording my kids playing sports and stuff like that. More boring stuff as opposed to Robbie maddison type footage, haha. For some reason, i've never really cared for the riding POV footage. I don't know really know why.

I honestly don't know much about them and I'm not the most technologically savvy. I'm assuming the video editing on my iMac will work well for this? Any advice or must have accessories would be appreciated.
Markee wrote:
Gopros Cineform software is great for beginners when it comes to editing. Its free. You also have imovie on your mac as well. Generally you need...
Gopros Cineform software is great for beginners when it comes to editing. Its free. You also have imovie on your mac as well.

Generally you need to be closer than you think to the subject when using a go pro. imac will do fine if its been purchased in the last 3 years or so.

Oviously there are tons of help on youtube.

https://youtu.be/tbtqeCdHgRQ?rel=0
thanks, markee! I'll be doing just that and try and get it all figured out.
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Katoomey 12/23/2014 5:03pm
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ML512 wrote:
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to...
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
If they weren't idiots they'd realize the visor is secured to the helmet way more structurally than the 3M tape that hold an action camera on.
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razi91 12/24/2014 2:27am
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ML512 wrote:
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to...
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
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If they weren't idiots they'd realize the visor is secured to the helmet way more structurally than the 3M tape that hold an action camera on.
Shoei/Arai have plastic screws who break away easy. Aluminium screws are dangerous, this is true. Plastic is the way to go!
Motor_Centre 12/24/2014 4:08am
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ML512 wrote:
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to...
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
Katoomey wrote:
If they weren't idiots they'd realize the visor is secured to the helmet way more structurally than the 3M tape that hold an action camera on.
razi91 wrote:
Shoei/Arai have plastic screws who break away easy. Aluminium screws are dangerous, this is true. Plastic is the way to go!
Yes Plus these helmet pass their safety test with those peaks fitted.
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enketchum 1/2/2015 11:24pm
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Saw this in the Pump Up Thread from Anaheim 1 Press Day...

Looks like FIM hasn't made a ruling yet?

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British Cycling banned all types of on board cameras in 2014 whether on the rider or the bike during racing in all cycling disciplines , this appears to be more to do with litigation than safety , as camera footage can be used as evidence when suing somebody . Is the FIM thinking along these lines ? .
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andyyam wrote:
British Cycling banned all types of on board cameras in 2014 whether on the rider or the bike during racing in all cycling disciplines , this...
British Cycling banned all types of on board cameras in 2014 whether on the rider or the bike during racing in all cycling disciplines , this appears to be more to do with litigation than safety , as camera footage can be used as evidence when suing somebody . Is the FIM thinking along these lines ? .
Bingo! I think you are onto something andyyam.
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I think it will be a loss for us viewers...as usual. Who didn't go WHOA when Bam Bam show KRoc his wheel last year?
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bartziokas123 1/5/2015 4:38pm
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looks like you are allowed to wear go pro at supercross. Guys had them at a1
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Falcon 1/5/2015 5:24pm
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bartziokas123 wrote:
looks like you are allowed to wear go pro at supercross. Guys had them at a1
Maybe the AMA or Feld grew some balls and told the FIM to keep their hands off Supercross. A guy can wish.
bartziokas123 1/5/2015 5:47pm
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Falcon wrote:
Maybe the AMA or Feld grew some balls and told the FIM to keep their hands off Supercross. A guy can wish.
I was wondering about that, I would think Gopro pays the AMA a lot of money and would say to the FIM to get bent on that one.

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