2015 Honda 450

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mxb2 8/20/2014 5:29am
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2strokerider wrote:
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks...
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks are rubbish! that alone is enough of a reason to not get a 450 honda in my opinion

with regards to the factory edition ktm - i think ill just wait till next july for the production model 2016 bike rather than paying 50% more for a factory edition in february!!! more than happy to ride my 2015 ktm 350 in the mean time
15 kawy 450, triple air?
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2strokerider wrote:
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks...
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks are rubbish! that alone is enough of a reason to not get a 450 honda in my opinion

with regards to the factory edition ktm - i think ill just wait till next july for the production model 2016 bike rather than paying 50% more for a factory edition in february!!! more than happy to ride my 2015 ktm 350 in the mean time
I'm on my 2nd season now with the '13 450 Honda. Forks are great, work just fine and are quick and easy to adjust. They've never leaked air or had a blown seal in almost 2 seasons. Rubbish? I don't think so.
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nytsmaC 8/20/2014 5:39am
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2strokerider wrote:
im sure treys forks are exactly the same as the ones you would get on a production bike :whistle: we're talking about production model forks here...
im sure treys forks are exactly the same as the ones you would get on a production bike Whistling

we're talking about production model forks here not factory stuff- if you think the bike you buy from the showroom is anything like the one trey is racing then you are very naive

i havent been impressed with any production level air forks apart from the triple chamber ones- i thought they were great. Almost bought a 450 suzuki because they come with the new triple chamber air forks but ended up with a 350 ktm because i thought it was more fun to ride!
So you've tried the new 2015 KYB air's?
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jtiger12 8/20/2014 5:58am
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The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not valid. The kyb forks are good, you'd know if you had ridden with them before

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TeamGreen 8/20/2014 7:43am
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U think its gna be much more than the regular fe?
It's going to cost plenty to make...quickly.
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TeamGreen 8/20/2014 7:46am
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jtiger12 wrote:
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not...
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not valid. The kyb forks are good, you'd know if you had ridden with them before
Production KYB seal-blowers are pretty good...once you ship'em off to PC, Enzo, MB1, Factory connection...Etc. The forks that Trey ran are quite a bit different internally.

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Bwhite327 8/20/2014 7:52am
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I already have 2015 kx''s in my warehouse. sold one the other day
2strokerider 8/20/2014 8:06am
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jtiger12 wrote:
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not...
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not valid. The kyb forks are good, you'd know if you had ridden with them before
TeamGreen wrote:
Production KYB seal-blowers are pretty good...once you ship'em off to PC, Enzo, MB1, Factory connection...Etc. The forks that Trey ran are quite a bit different internally.

dont tell him that he will be saying 'your opinion is invalid'

Funny when you offer your opinion of a bike you've ridden how irate people get if they dont agree. All the bikes ive ridden with the kyb air forks feel too harsh when i get enough compression on them (either have to run them too soft where they run too low in the stroke or get the harsh feeling) compared to spring forks.
The new triple chamber air forks seem to offer alot more adjustability without having to ship them off to factory connection etc. Managed to get them set up pretty good right away (felt nice and plush on the initial part of the stroke but didnt bottom etc)

personally i think the air forks were a step backwards at first. But these new generation ones seem to be heading in the right direction

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TeamGreen 8/20/2014 8:16am
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jtiger12 wrote:
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not...
The psf forks he used were twin chamber, similar to the production design. Sure they were different inside, just pointing out that your opinion is not valid. The kyb forks are good, you'd know if you had ridden with them before
TeamGreen wrote:
Production KYB seal-blowers are pretty good...once you ship'em off to PC, Enzo, MB1, Factory connection...Etc. The forks that Trey ran are quite a bit different internally.

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dont tell him that he will be saying 'your opinion is invalid' Funny when you offer your opinion of a bike you've ridden how irate people...
dont tell him that he will be saying 'your opinion is invalid'

Funny when you offer your opinion of a bike you've ridden how irate people get if they dont agree. All the bikes ive ridden with the kyb air forks feel too harsh when i get enough compression on them (either have to run them too soft where they run too low in the stroke or get the harsh feeling) compared to spring forks.
The new triple chamber air forks seem to offer alot more adjustability without having to ship them off to factory connection etc. Managed to get them set up pretty good right away (felt nice and plush on the initial part of the stroke but didnt bottom etc)

personally i think the air forks were a step backwards at first. But these new generation ones seem to be heading in the right direction

You, Good Sir, have NAILED IT: HARSH!

PC has my KYBs working like an A-Kit. Literally.

Stock, they were always...no matter what pressure...what settings...harsh...initial thru mid-stroke...HARSH; and, they ATE seals. Not after Bones worked his magic, tho. Anyone that wants to tell me otherwise...or tries to tell me the new Showas aren't better...on the PRODUCTION bikes...HASN'T ridden BOTH.

The Gentleman from Finland has nailed the truth on the Hondas from Day 1. He's a good judge of how they work & feel...and he's honest about the tracks and how the bikes work...during the intros/test rides. He's a good egg.

I'm jus' knowin'...
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While I was able to get my 2013 KYB air forks on my KX450F working well after a trip to Enzo, the 2015 TAC fork on my bike now works awesome straight from the box. After finding the right pressures, it works better than any modified fork I've had before. I'm almost afraid to send them anywhere for fear of going backwards, so at this point they will stay stock and adjust what I have. I'm really critical of suspension and hard to satisfy, but I'm happy. Everyone has their "perfect" when it comes to suspension and maybe Kawasaki hit on my perfect stock.
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MC752 8/20/2014 11:37am
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Team Green.... Seems like you're in the know, have you heard anything on the yellow 450 as far as ride reports?
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gsxr6 8/20/2014 1:11pm
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Cmon Manny just post up a pic. Whatever it is u can't say , is the excitement we need right now lol.
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TeamGreen 8/20/2014 4:22pm
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MC752 wrote:
Team Green.... Seems like you're in the know, have you heard anything on the yellow 450 as far as ride reports?
I've seen some testing, even today; but, I haven't heard any feed back...keep an eye out...there should be some reports soon.
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Should be showing up early September
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2strokerider wrote:
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks...
the triple chamber air forks are great (only available on the suzuki and the 250 honda- not the 450 honda) - all the other air forks are rubbish! that alone is enough of a reason to not get a 450 honda in my opinion

with regards to the factory edition ktm - i think ill just wait till next july for the production model 2016 bike rather than paying 50% more for a factory edition in february!!! more than happy to ride my 2015 ktm 350 in the mean time
so you have ridden the 2015 450 to make that statement that they are rubbish?......shessshhhh what a idiot
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druu58 9/9/2014 4:48pm
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So 15 CRF 450 at Zaca intro. Is it any good? Thinkn bout that or Kymco scooter.
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MXA was not there it was Sunday. Their racing on Saturday. Wrong day I guess for them to have a new bike out. And if I am correct that photo was not from this past Sunday but since I am never correct who cares.
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MXA was not there it was Sunday. Their racing on Saturday. Wrong day I guess for them to have a new bike out. And if I...
MXA was not there it was Sunday. Their racing on Saturday. Wrong day I guess for them to have a new bike out. And if I am correct that photo was not from this past Sunday but since I am never correct who cares.
the intro was today, as in a couple hours ago and MXA is there
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JLO42 9/9/2014 7:56pm
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Ask trey how bad those KYB's are
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bvm111 9/9/2014 8:14pm
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JLO42 wrote:
Ask trey how bad those KYB's are
Ping mentioned during the YZ450 intro video on RacerX that Trey is actually running the KYB SSS forks that come on the YZs ....I thought that was interesting considering how we are having these air forks shoved down our throats!!!
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kiwifan 9/9/2014 10:33pm
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JLO42 wrote:
Ask trey how bad those KYB's are
bvm111 wrote:
Ping mentioned during the YZ450 intro video on RacerX that Trey is actually running the KYB SSS forks that come on the YZs ....I thought that...
Ping mentioned during the YZ450 intro video on RacerX that Trey is actually running the KYB SSS forks that come on the YZs ....I thought that was interesting considering how we are having these air forks shoved down our throats!!!
I dont think you need to get hung up whether a factory team runs the same 'type' of suspension that you get on your shop bike or not.

You have a choice, if you want air forks buy a Kawasaki, Suzuki or a Honda, if you dont then buy a Yamaha or KTM ......if fork suspension performance is your #1 reason. And thats not saying the 2015 air forks are crap, clearly they are not.
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bvm111 9/9/2014 10:41pm
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Not hung up at all... Just thought it was interesting that he is running what has traditionally been a Yamaha only front fork. I would have been just as intrigued if he showed up with Ohlins on his Honda.... That is all.

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JLO42 wrote:
Ask trey how bad those KYB's are
bvm111 wrote:
Ping mentioned during the YZ450 intro video on RacerX that Trey is actually running the KYB SSS forks that come on the YZs ....I thought that...
Ping mentioned during the YZ450 intro video on RacerX that Trey is actually running the KYB SSS forks that come on the YZs ....I thought that was interesting considering how we are having these air forks shoved down our throats!!!
Heard the same thing - Ping was championing the YZF fork too. Sounds like a few pros prefer the feel of the spring fork.
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kiwifan 9/10/2014 3:00am
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bvm111 wrote:
Not hung up at all... Just thought it was interesting that he is running what has traditionally been a Yamaha only front fork. I would have...
Not hung up at all... Just thought it was interesting that he is running what has traditionally been a Yamaha only front fork. I would have been just as intrigued if he showed up with Ohlins on his Honda.... That is all.

I call it rider preference...it does not mean the stock suspension is not good for us mere mortals....
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Mere mortals or not, I can't imagine too many people would be checking three separate air pressures before every time they ride. The pressures will fluctuate, and a 2lb difference equals a spring rate. That's huge! Personally, I hope KTM and Yamaha stick with the springs.....
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MBR 9/10/2014 4:19am
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hellion wrote:
Mere mortals or not, I can't imagine too many people would be checking three separate air pressures before every time they ride. The pressures will fluctuate...
Mere mortals or not, I can't imagine too many people would be checking three separate air pressures before every time they ride. The pressures will fluctuate, and a 2lb difference equals a spring rate. That's huge! Personally, I hope KTM and Yamaha stick with the springs.....
CRF450R has only one air chamber to check per fork leg, so total of two air pressures to check.

CRF250R has also only two pressures to check as the pressure chambers are only in left fork leg (plus atmospheric pressure in outer chamber similar way than in spring forks). Seems also that somehow pressure CRF250R doesn't change that much during the day (maybe because the pressure is so much higher).

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