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mrquick
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8/9/2014 4:02pm
I just lost a lot of respect for Roger DeCoster. Trey Canard was second behind Dungey in points (KR94 removed) and earned
a shot at going to the mxon. Trey was robbed plain and simple. If Trey said he understood why he wasn't chosen would you expect anything less from Trey? He isn't the type to throw a tantrum over it,,,,he is way too classy for that. Its wrong but there's nothing that can be done about it now.
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8/9/2014 4:11pm
This Trey vs. Tomac argument is fairly simple to end. Just look at Tomac's versus Canard's results since Tomac came back to racing. 'Nuff said
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8/9/2014 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2014 4:49pm
Eli comes back and is not in contention for the championship so he can take a few more chances
than the top three in points. If he wrecks no big deal. If the top three wreck it means something. So
Eli has a somewhat advantage over the others. Nuff said. I do hope Eli does as good this time as his
last MXoN race.
8/9/2014 5:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2014 5:20pm
Kegums in Latvia also draws a lot of comparisons to Milleville. Do the math. RDC does not make the decision based on who earned it, or who deserves it. He make the decision based on who will give the team the best shot at winning. ET has been solidly better than Trey since he came back. Go look at the 12 motos...go look at the lap times. If you add up the moto times, cumulatively over 12 motos...ET is 3 minutes and 7 seconds ahead of Trey. Enough said.

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8/9/2014 5:50pm
Kegums in Latvia also draws a lot of comparisons to Milleville. Do the math. RDC does not make the decision based on who earned it, or...
Kegums in Latvia also draws a lot of comparisons to Milleville. Do the math. RDC does not make the decision based on who earned it, or who deserves it. He make the decision based on who will give the team the best shot at winning. ET has been solidly better than Trey since he came back. Go look at the 12 motos...go look at the lap times. If you add up the moto times, cumulatively over 12 motos...ET is 3 minutes and 7 seconds ahead of Trey. Enough said.
Were you surprised Tomac didn't win today? Scratch that--how surprised were you that Tomac didn't win today? I think I saw a 1-1 as probable, myself.

Interesting that he had the fastest lap of the race in both motos, and not just by a few hundredths. Same with Washougal moto 2, I think.

Fair enough that he goes over the Nard. Even today he was more consistent with a 3-3 than Trey. That's what we need.
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8/9/2014 6:00pm
You can practically see "The Man" wooing Martin with sweet KTM whispers.
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8/10/2014 10:18am
I'm glad everyone thinks this team is the favorite but I'm always a bit more cautious.

I haven't seen this year's track - what's it like?

When I saw the track before last year's race i was a bit concerned. It didn't look like what most US riders were used to. Most US tracks have the SX influence - jumpy, 180 turns, cut and thrust style combined with rhythm sections. Not all, but influenced.

A lot of Euro style tracks are faster, don't have the SX style and put more of a premium on maintaining corner speed and momentum - you can see this in the way CP rides (and everyone likes to remark on how "odd" his style is compared to most others).

Our off-road guys tried to for years to make their style work for events like the ISDT/ISDE until they learned they needed to adapt to the style of the race course. They watched what the Euros who were going fast did to learn the faster way.

Just like riders who don't spend a lot of time on SX tracks don't excel on them, riders who are more experienced on a certain style of track aren't likely to excel on a different one. They may be competitive but not quite good enough to beat those who race those tracks all the time.

Hopefully this track suits the styles of the US riders... IMHO, of course! Grinning
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8/10/2014 10:35am
biker85 wrote:
Belgium: no Desalle
Holland: Herlings?????
Germany: Roczen????
Italy: Cairoli on a 250
France: no musquin, tixier ...

and the winner is???? Team USA?
Even if those guys were all in for the race USA would still be the favorites. Belgium and Germany definitely have a shot because they have some good riders too but come on. Holland and Italy have no shot at beating the USA overall even with herlings and cairoli. People tend to forget this is a team race. One "average" rider can ruin it for the whole team when going up against USA, Belgium and Germany.
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8/10/2014 10:46am
Great team
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8/10/2014 10:47am
I think team Holland could be a big dark horse with Herlings,Coldenhoff and De Reuver. But Herlings will never make it to the MXDN. Only race the last GP if he is able to ride again then.

Nobody will beat team USA this year. Dont matter it they send Tomac or Canard. Even with Shorty they got the job done.
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8/10/2014 11:01am Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 11:05am
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year.

France will be their closest rival. Paulin and Frossard are both capable of some good finishes but their MXdN will ultimately depend on Ferrandis scoring decent points in at least one moto - which he IS capable of doing, despite what some people might think. Personally I don't think they're actually that much weaker for not picking Musquin or Pourcel.
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8/10/2014 11:25am
What's up with Tomacs gear... Anyone else notice it doesn't match???? Pinch Whistling Evil

Just kidding just kidding just kidding!!!!Tongue
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8/10/2014 11:38am
jamma10 wrote:
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year. France will be their closest rival...
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year.

France will be their closest rival. Paulin and Frossard are both capable of some good finishes but their MXdN will ultimately depend on Ferrandis scoring decent points in at least one moto - which he IS capable of doing, despite what some people might think. Personally I don't think they're actually that much weaker for not picking Musquin or Pourcel.
I don't know if our Team is unbeatable; but, I completely agree on France.

There are SO MANY injured GP riders that this year is going to be strange. We should see a few names we didn't expect to see in the points.

Canada may have a good year, too.
8/10/2014 12:02pm
Mr Bean wrote:
I'm glad everyone thinks this team is the favorite but I'm always a bit more cautious. I haven't seen this year's track - what's it like...
I'm glad everyone thinks this team is the favorite but I'm always a bit more cautious.

I haven't seen this year's track - what's it like?

When I saw the track before last year's race i was a bit concerned. It didn't look like what most US riders were used to. Most US tracks have the SX influence - jumpy, 180 turns, cut and thrust style combined with rhythm sections. Not all, but influenced.

A lot of Euro style tracks are faster, don't have the SX style and put more of a premium on maintaining corner speed and momentum - you can see this in the way CP rides (and everyone likes to remark on how "odd" his style is compared to most others).

Our off-road guys tried to for years to make their style work for events like the ISDT/ISDE until they learned they needed to adapt to the style of the race course. They watched what the Euros who were going fast did to learn the faster way.

Just like riders who don't spend a lot of time on SX tracks don't excel on them, riders who are more experienced on a certain style of track aren't likely to excel on a different one. They may be competitive but not quite good enough to beat those who race those tracks all the time.

Hopefully this track suits the styles of the US riders... IMHO, of course! Grinning
What tracks to the gps have that's faster than thevus track? I wld say the complete opposite is true... Gp tracks are slower and more technical with various types of terrain. This all being said I do think USA are def favourites
8/10/2014 12:14pm
Dessale out! But Ken Dedyker back on form last week and we all know how well he done last year!Team Belgium looking very strong, but not sure they've what it will take to beat this team USA! Can't wait!
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8/10/2014 1:09pm
Seems like a strange pick to take Tomac over Canard. Canard is as fast and has a lot more experience on the big bike.
GuyB wrote:
Even Trey said he understood it.
would they bring trey for a backup rider if someone got hurt over there?
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8/10/2014 1:11pm
jamma10 wrote:
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year. France will be their closest rival...
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year.

France will be their closest rival. Paulin and Frossard are both capable of some good finishes but their MXdN will ultimately depend on Ferrandis scoring decent points in at least one moto - which he IS capable of doing, despite what some people might think. Personally I don't think they're actually that much weaker for not picking Musquin or Pourcel.
do the French riders who cometot the us get black balled or something? no doubt marvin and Christophe have ridden all the tracks there and both are riding strong. not to mention pourcell has turned into mike alessi on the starts all season
8/10/2014 1:22pm
MCR wrote:
I think team Holland could be a big dark horse with Herlings,Coldenhoff and De Reuver. But Herlings will never make it to the MXDN. Only race...
I think team Holland could be a big dark horse with Herlings,Coldenhoff and De Reuver. But Herlings will never make it to the MXDN. Only race the last GP if he is able to ride again then.

Nobody will beat team USA this year. Dont matter it they send Tomac or Canard. Even with Shorty they got the job done.
I agree,
but in my dreams there could be a team who will be strong tooTongue aulin,Pourcel,Musquin!!!!
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8/10/2014 1:23pm
zehn wrote:
This Trey vs. Tomac argument is fairly simple to end. Just look at Tomac's versus Canard's results since Tomac came back to racing. 'Nuff said
Yup, pretty simple, Tomac has beat canard almost every moto since returning. It's obvious Tomac was the better pick.
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8/10/2014 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 1:32pm
mrquick wrote:
I just lost a lot of respect for Roger DeCoster. Trey Canard was second behind Dungey in points (KR94 removed) and earned a shot at going...
I just lost a lot of respect for Roger DeCoster. Trey Canard was second behind Dungey in points (KR94 removed) and earned
a shot at going to the mxon. Trey was robbed plain and simple. If Trey said he understood why he wasn't chosen would you expect anything less from Trey? He isn't the type to throw a tantrum over it,,,,he is way too classy for that. Its wrong but there's nothing that can be done about it now.
Consistency is crucial in a team race, and since Tomac has been back he has consistently been better than Trey. And a lot faster than Trey at times.

Tomac can compete with Roczen and beat him, Trey hasnt shown he can don that on a regular basis.

Its a team event, the guys on the team are the one that will give us the best shot to win.
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8/10/2014 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 2:41pm
jamma10 wrote:
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year. France will be their closest rival...
They may as we'll start engraving the trophy now, I don't see anyone else beating the US team this year.

France will be their closest rival. Paulin and Frossard are both capable of some good finishes but their MXdN will ultimately depend on Ferrandis scoring decent points in at least one moto - which he IS capable of doing, despite what some people might think. Personally I don't think they're actually that much weaker for not picking Musquin or Pourcel.
bsharkey wrote:
do the French riders who cometot the us get black balled or something? no doubt marvin and Christophe have ridden all the tracks there and both...
do the French riders who cometot the us get black balled or something? no doubt marvin and Christophe have ridden all the tracks there and both are riding strong. not to mention pourcell has turned into mike alessi on the starts all season
Well a year or two ago it was reported that Pourcel came out and said that he was not interested in representing France anymore. So there's that, and the fact he doesn't have a very good relationship with Paulin who is probably regarded as their team leader these days. Maybe he has some influence as to who is chosen.

Musquin on the other hand has obviously missed a great deal of this season with injury and is only just starting to come back into form now. He's been fairly average for most of the outdoor series and he didn't have particularly good results the last time he represented France at Lommel in 2012 either.

Obviously logistically it's much easier to choose a rider based in Europe so unless there is a certain US based rider that simply cannot be left out I think they'll opt for guys racing GPs more often than not. Probably even stranger than omitting CP and Musquin was their decision to opt for Ferrandis over Tixier who is ahead in the MX2 standings. The only reasoning for that I can think of is that Tixier was fairly underwhelming when he raced for France last year and they think Ferrandis has more fire and determination in him..
8/10/2014 1:27pm
Tough choices but you only get three. The vanilla crew should get it done this year.
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8/10/2014 1:34pm
biker85 wrote:
Belgium: no Desalle
Holland: Herlings?????
Germany: Roczen????
Italy: Cairoli on a 250
France: no musquin, tixier ...

and the winner is???? Team USA?

Yeap, team USA by a mile.

For the podium, it is still quite open, Australia, UK, Italy, France, Belgium and possibly Germany have all good teams; but that will not be enough, there is always 1 or 2 guys in each of these teams not able to run the pace upfront.

Here I would not be surprised to see the USA go 1-4, 1-3 and 1-2 ! (if Martin gets the good spot on the grid)
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8/10/2014 1:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 1:37pm
zehn wrote:
This Trey vs. Tomac argument is fairly simple to end. Just look at Tomac's versus Canard's results since Tomac came back to racing. 'Nuff said
zook11 wrote:
Yup, pretty simple, Tomac has beat canard almost every moto since returning. It's obvious Tomac was the better pick.
No doubt. I think this is also Tomac's year to prove what he is capable of on the 450 after being knocked out of SX and a good portion of the MX season. I like the fact that he seems to be riding with a chip on his shoulder. He should also be fresher than Canard because he hasn't been ground down the entire year with the ridiculous schedule these guys ride. I predict a podium or win for Tomac in the Open class at MXoN.
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8/10/2014 2:04pm
I think they have picked the perfect team. I'd have liked to seen Trey go also but Eli is a better pick. Shame it's not a 4 person team.
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8/10/2014 5:30pm
I wish Mitch Peyton would take a second team for the USA . Canard Short and Baggett and beat DeCoster's butt.
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8/10/2014 5:43pm
mrquick wrote:
I wish Mitch Peyton would take a second team for the USA . Canard Short and Baggett and beat DeCoster's butt.
You obviously have an issue with the one person that has managed every single US MXDN win....Pretty sure you have more experience in choosing a team...
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8/10/2014 6:01pm
mrquick wrote:
I wish Mitch Peyton would take a second team for the USA . Canard Short and Baggett and beat DeCoster's butt.
DonM wrote:
You obviously have an issue with the one person that has managed every single US MXDN win....Pretty sure you have more experience in choosing a team...
Roy Jansen was manager for one winning team I believe. Still, even though I might be the biggest DeCoster fan on here, it should be based on points.
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8/10/2014 6:10pm
So a rider that comes back from an injury and has out performed everyone but Dungey shouldn't even be considered for the Team? It has never been by points, but typically those that are on the team are in the points.

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