I'm starting to think...

fullfloater wrote:

Anything is possible at this stage, including the money flowing in the opposite direction. What if Stew sued the FIM and anyone involved for a premature...

Anything is possible at this stage, including the money flowing in the opposite direction. What if Stew sued the FIM and anyone involved for a premature suspension and putting an end to his career. Not to mention the damage to his rep and sponsors and the bazillion he stood to make on 7 gear. We already know from reading Vital that it is being unloaded at fire sale prices. At this point, he has a case -- especially if the levels were low and within the prescribed dosage and he was treated differently than *cough* Monster athletes. You've got to admit that the wheels fell right off the bus after the announcement and he may never return.

Hey, guyb left the door open not me.

Fearo wrote:

So if I understand this correctly: Stewart's long-awaited penalty is a 2-year ban from WADA which means no SX in '15 and '16, so he is...

So if I understand this correctly:

Stewart's long-awaited penalty is a 2-year ban from WADA which means no SX in '15 and '16, so he is done? Or does this somehow have something to do with his results from Thunder Valley (USADA)?

ChrisB10 wrote:

How do websites make money? Off of ads from people visiting the site. How many views does this thread have now? What makes the world go...

How do websites make money? Off of ads from people visiting the site. How many views does this thread have now? What makes the world go round? I wonder why GuyB started this thread but gives not a smidge of details about anything just a teaser so every comes on here and goes bat shit crazy.......helloooo

GuyB wrote:

You could go away and promise not to come back and I'd be perfectly okay with it. I don't go fishing just go go fishing. Mostly...

You could go away and promise not to come back and I'd be perfectly okay with it. I don't go fishing just go go fishing.

Mostly, it was a bit of musing on my part last night, how if someone (particularly late in their career) gets tagged with a two-year penalty, that it's pretty much a death sentence for their racing.

Of course, a story like this http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/11/15/wada-doping-ban-now-fou… should just about have riders shaking in their boots that they don't get caught with a banned substance.

mrquick wrote:

It scares me to death the number of people on this forum that's ok with no testing and letting any or all riders to use drugs...

It scares me to death the number of people on this forum that's ok with no testing and letting
any or all riders to use drugs and still ride. That's why this country is in the shape it
is now. I can only imagine how you run your household. How old do you require your children to
be before its ok for them to do drugs? 6? 7? 10? I can't believe what I'm reading. Those that are
really into drugs and think its ok not to test please answer my question.

mrquick wrote:

It scares me to death the number of people on this forum that's ok with no testing and letting any or all riders to use drugs...

It scares me to death the number of people on this forum that's ok with no testing and letting
any or all riders to use drugs and still ride. That's why this country is in the shape it
is now. I can only imagine how you run your household. How old do you require your children to
be before its ok for them to do drugs? 6? 7? 10? I can't believe what I'm reading. Those that are
really into drugs and think its ok not to test please answer my question.

themrtoad wrote:

Good post!

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Robgvx wrote:

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam...

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam Sports to promote SX. Clear Channel weren't going to just roll over so they also said that they would run a series of their own. For a while there were going to be two supercross series the coming year - Clear Channel continuing to run their own series, (without the AMA), and Jam Sports, (the new promoter WITH the AMA) but who didn't have access to the same stadiums that Clear Channel had locked-in.

As I recall the situation Clear Channel prevailed because they played their ace card and went over the AMA's head to hook up with the FIM as the sanctioning body instead of the AMA. Their series became sanctioned by the FIM as a world supercross championship and that's why SX now falls under FIM rules.

The AMA is an affiliate of the FIM. (The FIM is the AMA's boss). Therefore the AMA, who had signed up with Jam Sports as the promoter had to back down because the FIM pulled rank in sanctioning a world supercross series in the US with Clear Channel. The AMA couldn't then sanction a rival series with Jam Sports.

Now, on top of that the Japanese manufacturers also have/had a fiduciary responsibility towards the FIM. The FIM is the acknowledged worldwide governing body for motorcycling. The manufacturers make motorcycles. They therefore were not going to go against the FIM - their trade body, if you like - and go race with a rival series not sanctioned by the FIM, and in fact one which was competing against the FIM's own sanctioned series. To their overall business SX/MX is tiny part and not worth a confrontation with the FIM over.

Furthermore, I seem to recall reading that the manufacturers also sit on the board of directors of the AMA. That further means that they have a fiduciary responsibility to the AMA, (which is an affiliate of the FIM). So all of this suggests that the FIM (and it's affiliate the AMA) carry a lot of weight, maybe not in MX Sports' non-AMA sanctioned events directly, but certainly in the eyes of the manufacturers and the overall picture.

So, the FIM probably IS, very much, 'shit' behind the scenes.

fanger wrote:

Hows it going to fuck the sport? If the top 5 at the moment all get done, there are 40 more people waiting to take their...

Hows it going to fuck the sport? If the top 5 at the moment all get done, there are 40 more people waiting to take their spots. If they cheat, they don't deserve the factory rides and all the money they make while top 20 guys struggle to make it to the races.... Drug testing will be the best thing for this sport. (Thats if anyone besides stewart gets done.)

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Robgvx wrote:

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam...

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam Sports to promote SX. Clear Channel weren't going to just roll over so they also said that they would run a series of their own. For a while there were going to be two supercross series the coming year - Clear Channel continuing to run their own series, (without the AMA), and Jam Sports, (the new promoter WITH the AMA) but who didn't have access to the same stadiums that Clear Channel had locked-in.

As I recall the situation Clear Channel prevailed because they played their ace card and went over the AMA's head to hook up with the FIM as the sanctioning body instead of the AMA. Their series became sanctioned by the FIM as a world supercross championship and that's why SX now falls under FIM rules.

The AMA is an affiliate of the FIM. (The FIM is the AMA's boss). Therefore the AMA, who had signed up with Jam Sports as the promoter had to back down because the FIM pulled rank in sanctioning a world supercross series in the US with Clear Channel. The AMA couldn't then sanction a rival series with Jam Sports.

Now, on top of that the Japanese manufacturers also have/had a fiduciary responsibility towards the FIM. The FIM is the acknowledged worldwide governing body for motorcycling. The manufacturers make motorcycles. They therefore were not going to go against the FIM - their trade body, if you like - and go race with a rival series not sanctioned by the FIM, and in fact one which was competing against the FIM's own sanctioned series. To their overall business SX/MX is tiny part and not worth a confrontation with the FIM over.

Furthermore, I seem to recall reading that the manufacturers also sit on the board of directors of the AMA. That further means that they have a fiduciary responsibility to the AMA, (which is an affiliate of the FIM). So all of this suggests that the FIM (and it's affiliate the AMA) carry a lot of weight, maybe not in MX Sports' non-AMA sanctioned events directly, but certainly in the eyes of the manufacturers and the overall picture.

So, the FIM probably IS, very much, 'shit' behind the scenes.

hillbilly wrote:

Lol,awful lot of typing there.

Mike goodwin would start his own body, FUFIM.

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Robgvx wrote:

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam...

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam Sports to promote SX. Clear Channel weren't going to just roll over so they also said that they would run a series of their own. For a while there were going to be two supercross series the coming year - Clear Channel continuing to run their own series, (without the AMA), and Jam Sports, (the new promoter WITH the AMA) but who didn't have access to the same stadiums that Clear Channel had locked-in.

As I recall the situation Clear Channel prevailed because they played their ace card and went over the AMA's head to hook up with the FIM as the sanctioning body instead of the AMA. Their series became sanctioned by the FIM as a world supercross championship and that's why SX now falls under FIM rules.

The AMA is an affiliate of the FIM. (The FIM is the AMA's boss). Therefore the AMA, who had signed up with Jam Sports as the promoter had to back down because the FIM pulled rank in sanctioning a world supercross series in the US with Clear Channel. The AMA couldn't then sanction a rival series with Jam Sports.

Now, on top of that the Japanese manufacturers also have/had a fiduciary responsibility towards the FIM. The FIM is the acknowledged worldwide governing body for motorcycling. The manufacturers make motorcycles. They therefore were not going to go against the FIM - their trade body, if you like - and go race with a rival series not sanctioned by the FIM, and in fact one which was competing against the FIM's own sanctioned series. To their overall business SX/MX is tiny part and not worth a confrontation with the FIM over.

Furthermore, I seem to recall reading that the manufacturers also sit on the board of directors of the AMA. That further means that they have a fiduciary responsibility to the AMA, (which is an affiliate of the FIM). So all of this suggests that the FIM (and it's affiliate the AMA) carry a lot of weight, maybe not in MX Sports' non-AMA sanctioned events directly, but certainly in the eyes of the manufacturers and the overall picture.

So, the FIM probably IS, very much, 'shit' behind the scenes.

hillbilly wrote:

Lol,awful lot of typing there.

Mike goodwin would start his own body, FUFIM.

Jefro98 wrote:

For what it's worth: At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally...

For what it's worth:

At the Lommel press conference FIM big boss dr. Wolfgang Srb said he was very very surprised a rider who is provisionally suspended by the FIM is still racing the US Nationals.

hillbilly wrote:

Provisional seems the key word ,and Wolfgang surely knows the fim aint shit here.

Robgvx wrote:

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam...

I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam Sports to promote SX. Clear Channel weren't going to just roll over so they also said that they would run a series of their own. For a while there were going to be two supercross series the coming year - Clear Channel continuing to run their own series, (without the AMA), and Jam Sports, (the new promoter WITH the AMA) but who didn't have access to the same stadiums that Clear Channel had locked-in.

As I recall the situation Clear Channel prevailed because they played their ace card and went over the AMA's head to hook up with the FIM as the sanctioning body instead of the AMA. Their series became sanctioned by the FIM as a world supercross championship and that's why SX now falls under FIM rules.

The AMA is an affiliate of the FIM. (The FIM is the AMA's boss). Therefore the AMA, who had signed up with Jam Sports as the promoter had to back down because the FIM pulled rank in sanctioning a world supercross series in the US with Clear Channel. The AMA couldn't then sanction a rival series with Jam Sports.

Now, on top of that the Japanese manufacturers also have/had a fiduciary responsibility towards the FIM. The FIM is the acknowledged worldwide governing body for motorcycling. The manufacturers make motorcycles. They therefore were not going to go against the FIM - their trade body, if you like - and go race with a rival series not sanctioned by the FIM, and in fact one which was competing against the FIM's own sanctioned series. To their overall business SX/MX is tiny part and not worth a confrontation with the FIM over.

Furthermore, I seem to recall reading that the manufacturers also sit on the board of directors of the AMA. That further means that they have a fiduciary responsibility to the AMA, (which is an affiliate of the FIM). So all of this suggests that the FIM (and it's affiliate the AMA) carry a lot of weight, maybe not in MX Sports' non-AMA sanctioned events directly, but certainly in the eyes of the manufacturers and the overall picture.

So, the FIM probably IS, very much, 'shit' behind the scenes.

Robgvx wrote:

Nobody is stopping anyone from starting their own sanctioning body, or indeed running their own series away from the authority of the FIM. DC has done...

Nobody is stopping anyone from starting their own sanctioning body, or indeed running their own series away from the authority of the FIM. DC has done this, kind of, by virtue of the fact that his series is sanctioned by AMA Pro racing, who, despite the name, are evidently unconnected with their namesakes the AMA (who ARE FIM-affiliated). On the face of it this circumvents the existing ruling authority of the AMA and the FIM above them, which is the reason that has been stated for Stewart's continued eligibility in outdoor racing.

However, in any top-tier series the manufacturers will be involved. And those manufacturers, by virtue of their tie-ins and fiduciary responsibilities to the FIM (and in the US, the AMA, which itself is FIM-affiliated), might surely at some point feel pressure from the world governing body to follow their wishes.

(It would be intriguing to see what would happen if someone like Luongo tried to run an FIM (and AMA?) sanctioned series in the US. After all, the outdoor nationals are independent and not connected to the AMA/FIM, right? Just like Clear Channel, could Luongo pull the 'FIM-sanctioned' card to usurp DC and force the manufacturers to ride 'his' FIM/AMA series over the non-sanctioned MXSports series?)

tek14 wrote:

Could be 1-2 years like in other sports. Coming back after that is hard thing to do and not many come back to top again. If...

Could be 1-2 years like in other sports. Coming back after that is hard thing to do and not many come back to top again. If its one year he is half way allready.

Crush wrote:

Agree. The only reason I want James to get pinged and the book thrown at him is so the rest of the people in the sport...

Agree.

The only reason I want James to get pinged and the book thrown at him is so the rest of the people in the sport take notice and the younger guys coming through never feel like they have to or should go outside blood sweat and tears to race.

Sux for him, but no matter who it is, they have to handle it right.

FroDiddy wrote:

James has no one but himself to blame but it still wreaks to lose an Icon of the sport like this. First Fro now James...maybe I'm...

James has no one but himself to blame but it still wreaks to lose an Icon of the sport like this.

First Fro now James...maybe I'm bad luck.

Does this mean a rider could receive a 2 year ban if they test positive for weed? If so, that's ridiculous.