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7/29/2014 10:29am
So how does this affect going for MC's 72 SX win record?
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7/29/2014 10:33am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 10:35am
mxb2 wrote:
yea, the police records are all a lie and conspiracy, lmao
Not all, police falsify a lot of records or didn't you know that?, they've sent hundreds of innocent people to jail from doing it. Then you go on to say he wasn't injured while filming "Bubba's World".
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7/29/2014 10:37am
lmfao, poor james, accused wrongly, guess he better sue the police dept then, keep trying to defend his stupid decisions.
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7/29/2014 10:37am
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I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do...
I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do what they want because they don't care? Stewart was gaining a lot of fans back with his attitude and the way he has been racing since he switched to Suzuki, and it's all crashing down now.
I wish people would just take 5 minutes, read the rule & understand it - before making posts like this.

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7/29/2014 10:46am
mxb2 wrote:
yea, the police records are all a lie and conspiracy, lmao
rockbottom wrote:
Not all, police falsify a lot of records or didn't you know that?, they've sent hundreds of innocent people to jail from doing it. Then you...
Not all, police falsify a lot of records or didn't you know that?, they've sent hundreds of innocent people to jail from doing it. Then you go on to say he wasn't injured while filming "Bubba's World".
Injured, or just tired of racing? He had adventures planned. You just need to watch the first minute.

https://youtu.be/dzC8Ka0uL2U
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7/29/2014 10:48am
Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and...
Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and his retirement well before I read it as rumor on Vital....so he has credibility. All though now, RV is actually considering the GPs in Europe. So, there's a lot more he's said, that i haven't read on Vital, but I'll wait to see if that plays out.

Anyway, also don't know if this is a re-post and i'm 99.99% sure DC is aware of it, but he has a business to run so this post may be deleted before it gets traction. Also, Steve Matthes is aware.

Apparently the Stewart family has a "private" / secret nurse at each race. She lost or forgot her credential at Washougal and when she requested a temporary credential, someone asked what exactly she does for the Stewarts. He answer was "I give James fluid IVs between motos at EVERY race."

Shit storm ensues...

Guess we'll see how it all plays out.
Hey. If you can't even get the event facts right in your personal name dropping PR, then how can you expect respect or belief? I really and truly hope you shit heads don't speculate and rumor our sport in the ground.

I'm seeing a lot of fresh meat assholes speculating on things for personal attention and gain. Pathetic.
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7/29/2014 10:53am
TDeath21 wrote:
I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do...
I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do what they want because they don't care? Stewart was gaining a lot of fans back with his attitude and the way he has been racing since he switched to Suzuki, and it's all crashing down now.
Moto75 wrote:
I wish people would just take 5 minutes, read the rule & understand it - before making posts like this.
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
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7/29/2014 10:56am
TDeath21 wrote:
I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do...
I still just don't understand how the hell this happened honestly. Is the Stewart camp really that clueless about the rules? Or do they just do what they want because they don't care? Stewart was gaining a lot of fans back with his attitude and the way he has been racing since he switched to Suzuki, and it's all crashing down now.
Moto75 wrote:
I wish people would just take 5 minutes, read the rule & understand it - before making posts like this.
TDeath21 wrote:
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
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7/29/2014 11:03am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 11:04am
mxb2 wrote:
lmfao, poor james, accused wrongly, guess he better sue the police dept then, keep trying to defend his stupid decisions.
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people have forgotten about that incident anyway except you.
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7/29/2014 11:06am
Moto75 wrote:
I wish people would just take 5 minutes, read the rule & understand it - before making posts like this.
TDeath21 wrote:
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked their head in here yet to state otherwise have they?
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TDeath21 wrote:
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
newmann wrote:
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked...
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked their head in here yet to state otherwise have they?
The rule book doesn't state that you have to have your own medical personnel, but it certainly spells out how a racer can continue to race after receiving IV fluids. It also specifically points out what will get you disallowed for the rest of the event.

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7/29/2014 11:18am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 11:20am
TDeath21 wrote:
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
newmann wrote:
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked...
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked their head in here yet to state otherwise have they?
I originally posted the rule thinking that it said if an IV wasn't approved by the on site medical crew you were done for the day... But thanks to the guys here I have a new understanding of the rules. I think the rules are not congruent with the intent of the series, and they will likely change due to this instance.
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7/29/2014 11:19am
Moto75 wrote:
I wish people would just take 5 minutes, read the rule & understand it - before making posts like this.
TDeath21 wrote:
I understand the rules, better than Stewart does apparently.
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
Between the motos it is. If this weren't a big deal, some credible people wouldn't have come in here and added fuel to the fire. My statement was also talking about the positive drug test in SX as well.
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7/29/2014 11:21am
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
newmann wrote:
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked...
As long as you bring your own medical personnel you are good to go I guess. No one with any authority on the subject has poked their head in here yet to state otherwise have they?
MxKing809 wrote:
I originally posted the rule thinking that it said if an IV wasn't approved by the on site medical crew you were done for the day...
I originally posted the rule thinking that it said if an IV wasn't approved by the on site medical crew you were done for the day... But thanks to the guys here I have a new understanding of the rules. I think the rules are not congruent with the intent of the series, and they will likely change due to this instance.
Completely agree with this.
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7/29/2014 11:25am
Seems like the riders skirt the edge of the rules like most of the factories have skirted the edge (and often broken) the "production rule" on their team bikes for years. Like the old saying goes: "It ain't illegal if you don't get caught."
7/29/2014 11:37am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 11:38am
TripleFive wrote:
Just to throw more fuel on the fire incase it hasn't been mentioned, the Asterisk Medical Unit provides free IVs after the races. Has to be...
Just to throw more fuel on the fire incase it hasn't been mentioned, the Asterisk Medical Unit provides free IVs after the races. Has to be a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring a nurse and flying her to the race each weekend.


"It can't be proven that he was taking it between motos, be we all know he was" - Matthes
Where did Steve say that? That's the same type of logic used by the RV naysayers when discussing doping. I doubt Matthes would be willing to...
Where did Steve say that?

That's the same type of logic used by the RV naysayers when discussing doping. I doubt Matthes would be willing to carry that train of thought over when discussing that topic.
He said that exact quote on the Washougal wrap up podcast. They discuss this issue pretty substantially.

It's not jut speculation if guys like JT, Matthes, and Weigandt are discussing it without any hesitation as to its veracity.


For the deniers I'll ask it again: if free IV bags and injections are provided by the Asterisk Medical Unit after the race, why would James hire a nurse and fly her to each race every weekend.

We can't prove he was cheating, but all the signs point towards it.
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7/29/2014 11:37am
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
If taken as the result of an emergency medical situation, right?
7/29/2014 11:41am
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
It's not illegal unless it is "medically necessary" to treat a "medical emergency."


I guess James has medical emergencies every weekend.
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TripleFive wrote:
He said that exact quote on the Washougal wrap up podcast. They discuss this issue pretty substantially. It's not jut speculation if guys like JT, Matthes...
He said that exact quote on the Washougal wrap up podcast. They discuss this issue pretty substantially.

It's not jut speculation if guys like JT, Matthes, and Weigandt are discussing it without any hesitation as to its veracity.


For the deniers I'll ask it again: if free IV bags and injections are provided by the Asterisk Medical Unit after the race, why would James hire a nurse and fly her to each race every weekend.

We can't prove he was cheating, but all the signs point towards it.
because he can? because he wants to?

judge, jury and executioners, everything right here........... except for any proof of anything.
7/29/2014 11:51am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 11:58am
What both this and the Adderall incident speak to is the complete lack of professionalism in the JS7 camp.

If JS7 had legitimate prescription for Adderrall, he and his management are irresponsible idiots for not knowing the rules and getting WADA / USADA TUEs.

It is also the dirty little secret of Pro MX that riders get IVs between motos on hot days. It has been going on for a long time. There are even stories of riders training down at RCs ranch administering each other IVs on practice days to aid recovery during and after practices.

Some riders and managers have even suggested that it be sanctioned and managed by MX Sports. NFL players get em at half time. What is the big deal? Do we want to see who the fastest MX racers are....or do we want to see who can recover from dehydration and blood sugar depletion the fastest? Keep in mind that a big factor in recovery is the short period of time allowed due to TV broadcast schedules. How "natural" is that?

That said...it is against the current written rules...and if you are going to 'cheat' (I personally think the no IV rule is STUPID for safety reasons) you damn well better do it right! JS7s camp should have coached their nurse on what they were doing, and how to handle herself in such situations. Just stupid to have her say what she said.

There is no way to prove James cheated, but it sure looks bad. In fact, there is no way to ever catch any rider doing this if they use their head. It is an unenforceable rule. This is another reason it should not exist.
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7/29/2014 11:56am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 11:58am
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
GrapeApe wrote:
If taken as the result of an emergency medical situation, right?
Right.

Which becomes a separate argument & much harder to prove. The IV itself is not against the rules. If his symptoms (weekly..lol) were sufficient to qualify as a medical emergency, would be very subjective to the person diagnosing the condition.

For example. I went to 5 or 6 specialists before deciding on my knee surgery. Of those specialists, I got at least 5 different possible treatments. Which one was right? Probably all of them to a degree.

This is definitely an area where the rules leave room to be manipulated. Probably didn't break the rules, but probably took advantage of them.
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7/29/2014 12:05pm
mxb2 wrote:
lmfao, poor james, accused wrongly, guess he better sue the police dept then, keep trying to defend his stupid decisions.
rockbottom wrote:
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people...
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people have forgotten about that incident anyway except you.
lets push all his bad stuff under the rug, but keep talking about his title from 5 years ago, lmfao,
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7/29/2014 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 12:13pm
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
GrapeApe wrote:
If taken as the result of an emergency medical situation, right?
Moto75 wrote:
Right. Which becomes a separate argument & much harder to prove. The IV itself is not against the rules. If his symptoms (weekly..lol) were sufficient to...
Right.

Which becomes a separate argument & much harder to prove. The IV itself is not against the rules. If his symptoms (weekly..lol) were sufficient to qualify as a medical emergency, would be very subjective to the person diagnosing the condition.

For example. I went to 5 or 6 specialists before deciding on my knee surgery. Of those specialists, I got at least 5 different possible treatments. Which one was right? Probably all of them to a degree.

This is definitely an area where the rules leave room to be manipulated. Probably didn't break the rules, but probably took advantage of them.
I guess if you have someone that is willing to put their license on the line by declaring a medical emergency after every first moto, it would be pretty hard for the sanctioning body to enforce. I just assume people will tell the truth, like when the nurse told race staff she was there to give Stewart his IV.

With regard to whether the IV is or is not against the rules, I would put it a little differently. As a general rule, IV's between motos disqualify the rider. There is an exception to the general rule if the IV is medically necessary to treat an emergency medical condition.



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7/29/2014 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2014 12:13pm
Moto75 wrote:
if you did, you would know taking an IV on race day is not against the rules.
GrapeApe wrote:
If taken as the result of an emergency medical situation, right?
Moto75 wrote:
Right. Which becomes a separate argument & much harder to prove. The IV itself is not against the rules. If his symptoms (weekly..lol) were sufficient to...
Right.

Which becomes a separate argument & much harder to prove. The IV itself is not against the rules. If his symptoms (weekly..lol) were sufficient to qualify as a medical emergency, would be very subjective to the person diagnosing the condition.

For example. I went to 5 or 6 specialists before deciding on my knee surgery. Of those specialists, I got at least 5 different possible treatments. Which one was right? Probably all of them to a degree.

This is definitely an area where the rules leave room to be manipulated. Probably didn't break the rules, but probably took advantage of them.
A pretty well accepted definition of Medical Emergency is:

"A medical emergency is an injury or illness that is acute and poses an immediate risk to a person's life or long term health."

I think most medical practitioners would find that simple rehydration so as to be able to participate in the next sporting event to be a pretty big stretch of the definition. If the medical situation is such that it poses a threat to life or long term health then participation in moto 2 would probably not be clinically indicated.
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7/29/2014 12:17pm
mxb2 wrote:
lmfao, poor james, accused wrongly, guess he better sue the police dept then, keep trying to defend his stupid decisions.
rockbottom wrote:
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people...
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people have forgotten about that incident anyway except you.
mxb2 wrote:
lets push all his bad stuff under the rug, but keep talking about his title from 5 years ago, lmfao,
So I guess every time we talk about Ron Lechein we should bring up his drug addiction and jail time.
Of coarse not. Some people prefer to focus on positive things, not negative. Everybody makes mistakes.
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rockbottom wrote:
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people...
I never said he was wrongly accused, I said it happens. you're acting like he had everything including a police dog in the car. Most people have forgotten about that incident anyway except you.
mxb2 wrote:
lets push all his bad stuff under the rug, but keep talking about his title from 5 years ago, lmfao,
gsxrcr28 wrote:
So I guess every time we talk about Ron Lechein we should bring up his drug addiction and jail time. Of coarse not. Some people prefer...
So I guess every time we talk about Ron Lechein we should bring up his drug addiction and jail time.
Of coarse not. Some people prefer to focus on positive things, not negative. Everybody makes mistakes.
yea, thats cool, its facts, this is a moto forum. opinions good and bad, not a fairyland where bad stuff does not happen,
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What both this and the Adderall incident speak to is the complete lack of professionalism in the JS7 camp. If JS7 had legitimate prescription for Adderrall...
What both this and the Adderall incident speak to is the complete lack of professionalism in the JS7 camp.

If JS7 had legitimate prescription for Adderrall, he and his management are irresponsible idiots for not knowing the rules and getting WADA / USADA TUEs.

It is also the dirty little secret of Pro MX that riders get IVs between motos on hot days. It has been going on for a long time. There are even stories of riders training down at RCs ranch administering each other IVs on practice days to aid recovery during and after practices.

Some riders and managers have even suggested that it be sanctioned and managed by MX Sports. NFL players get em at half time. What is the big deal? Do we want to see who the fastest MX racers are....or do we want to see who can recover from dehydration and blood sugar depletion the fastest? Keep in mind that a big factor in recovery is the short period of time allowed due to TV broadcast schedules. How "natural" is that?

That said...it is against the current written rules...and if you are going to 'cheat' (I personally think the no IV rule is STUPID for safety reasons) you damn well better do it right! JS7s camp should have coached their nurse on what they were doing, and how to handle herself in such situations. Just stupid to have her say what she said.

There is no way to prove James cheated, but it sure looks bad. In fact, there is no way to ever catch any rider doing this if they use their head. It is an unenforceable rule. This is another reason it should not exist.
You ever mess up at your job before?.
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rockbottom wrote:
You ever mess up at your job before?.
That is an unrealistic argument. You can't compare the two
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mxb2 wrote:
lets push all his bad stuff under the rug, but keep talking about his title from 5 years ago, lmfao,
Where did I say anything about a title 5 years ago?.
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rockbottom wrote:
You ever mess up at your job before?.
Dirty Mike wrote:
That is an unrealistic argument. You can't compare the two
"Job" is the key word. Do they call you an idiot if you do?.

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