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TDeath21 7/27/2014 5:30pm
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If this is true, Stewart is an idiot. Even if he had been doing this for awhile, and even if a lot of top guys do it, if you have this whole positive drug test from Supercross hanging over your head, wouldn't you want to be completely legal and make a strong effort to be completely within the rules?
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GuyB 7/27/2014 5:31pm
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smeg wrote:
So now we have conflicting accounts of what was said. Imagine that! As far as "there would have been a penalty".... LOL... That's one of the...
So now we have conflicting accounts of what was said. Imagine that!

As far as "there would have been a penalty".... LOL... That's one of the problems with this sport. The penalties seem to only apply to certain riders.

THAT"S why I am all over the BS that has been happening. It sucks it's JS because he is somewhat polarizing but nonetheless you get caught breaking rules then you should be fucking punished.
Here's one of the problems with message boards. Speculation runs rampant, and anyone can throw out their opinion.

I spent a little bit of time yesterday confirming that this actually happened, and might have just a bit more first-hand info than the OP. The addition of a couple words in the alleged statement sure make it a lot more interesting.
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Dirty Mike 7/27/2014 5:31pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
There is absolutely zero ways to monitor the top 5 riders from the time they come off after last practice to the time they start the...
There is absolutely zero ways to monitor the top 5 riders from the time they come off after last practice to the time they start the second Moto. Especially with private RVs.

Here is how you deter future cheaters DC, make an example of someone who gets caught.
Wonder if your a James Stewart fan...Dry
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smeg 7/27/2014 5:32pm
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GuyB wrote:
Here's one of the problems with message boards. Speculation runs rampant, and anyone can throw out their opinion. I spent a little bit of time yesterday...
Here's one of the problems with message boards. Speculation runs rampant, and anyone can throw out their opinion.

I spent a little bit of time yesterday confirming that this actually happened, and might have just a bit more first-hand info than the OP. The addition of a couple words in the alleged statement sure make it a lot more interesting.
Fair enough....... So we have two people with a track record of providing legitimate information. Now it is a question of which version of events(nurses statement) do you believe.

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Killuminati225 7/27/2014 5:34pm
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If she did give him IVs between motos. I am sure she is under strict instructions not to say anything. It has to be a misunderstanding or one huge fuck up.
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ando 7/27/2014 5:35pm
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MXD wrote:
There is a big difference between an IV hydration pack which is legal (outside of AMA rules) and has no negative impact on a persons health...
There is a big difference between an IV hydration pack which is legal (outside of AMA rules) and has no negative impact on a persons health and PED's which are illegal and can have negative side effects.
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Adderall is legal outside of AMA rules as well...

What's your point?
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You know my point. You just want to be a witty internet superstar. I won't play along with you.
Hardly.

You made the initial suggestion that IV's should be legal, several people including myself have said that it's a ridiculous suggestion, and now you're not prepared to defend it?

Your original post said that making it legal would be fair for everyone, and now you're saying there would be no negative impacts by allowing IV's. Why are they banned in the first place then?
F150Motocrosser 7/27/2014 5:37pm
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Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and...
Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and his retirement well before I read it as rumor on Vital....so he has credibility. All though now, RV is actually considering the GPs in Europe. So, there's a lot more he's said, that i haven't read on Vital, but I'll wait to see if that plays out.

Anyway, also don't know if this is a re-post and i'm 99.99% sure DC is aware of it, but he has a business to run so this post may be deleted before it gets traction. Also, Steve Matthes is aware.

Apparently the Stewart family has a "private" / secret nurse at each race. She lost or forgot her credential at Washougal and when she requested a temporary credential, someone asked what exactly she does for the Stewarts. He answer was "I give James fluid IVs between motos at EVERY race."

Shit storm ensues...

Guess we'll see how it all plays out.
GuyB wrote:
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville. Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration. Also, from what I understand, it's unclear...
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville.

Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration.

Also, from what I understand, it's unclear whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery.
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Few times I took adderall I got super dehydrated. That was my least favorite part about it.
I'm prescribed to adderall and take it daily.. My Rx bottle doesn't say adderall, it says AMPHETAMINE SALT. It'll give me dry mouth sometimes if I'm not drinking fluids for awhile but by no means would I say it makes me feel any more susceptible to becoming "dehydrated" when I ride or exert intense physical activity. That's just my personal experience though..
vanillaice782 7/27/2014 5:39pm
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We call the cops on people who leave the hospital with an IV. It's kind of a big deal to just have someone start one on you outside of the hospital. Even of this person is allegedly a nurse they're definitely losing their license.
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FIREfish148 7/27/2014 5:40pm
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I smell some bullshit... Did someone step in bullshit and drag it in here?
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GuyB 7/27/2014 5:41pm
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FIREfish148 wrote:
I smell some bullshit... Did someone step in bullshit and drag it in here?
Which part are you referencing? Or maybe you should just check the bottom of your shoes? Wink
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ando 7/27/2014 5:41pm
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FIREfish148 wrote:
I smell some bullshit... Did someone step in bullshit and drag it in here?
Couldn't be bothered reading the thread, eh?
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rcm406 7/27/2014 5:42pm
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Either James is an idiot and is so far out of the loop on day to day operations of his brand(business) or he has that "Lance Armstrong" arrogance and just doesn't give a fuck!
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JW381 7/27/2014 5:43pm
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GuyB wrote:
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville. Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration. Also, from what I understand, it's unclear...
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville.

Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration.

Also, from what I understand, it's unclear whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery.
JW381 wrote:
Few times I took adderall I got super dehydrated. That was my least favorite part about it.
F150Motocrosser wrote:
I'm prescribed to adderall and take it daily.. My Rx bottle doesn't say adderall, it says AMPHETAMINE SALT. It'll give me dry mouth sometimes if I'm...
I'm prescribed to adderall and take it daily.. My Rx bottle doesn't say adderall, it says AMPHETAMINE SALT. It'll give me dry mouth sometimes if I'm not drinking fluids for awhile but by no means would I say it makes me feel any more susceptible to becoming "dehydrated" when I ride or exert intense physical activity. That's just my personal experience though..
That's good, glad to hear it, but I promise you that it can cause dehydration. It's a stimulant, virtually any stimulant can cause dehydration.
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MxKing809 7/27/2014 5:50pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
There is absolutely zero ways to monitor the top 5 riders from the time they come off after last practice to the time they start the...
There is absolutely zero ways to monitor the top 5 riders from the time they come off after last practice to the time they start the second Moto. Especially with private RVs.

Here is how you deter future cheaters DC, make an example of someone who gets caught.
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Wonder if your a James Stewart fan...Dry
Ya know what..... I used to be. I would root for him over anyone else. Then the excuses and diva crept in. When he got arrested for impersonating a police officer I was done.... Seacrest Out! The man is by far the most naturally talented person to ever grace a dirtbike, but you're right..... I would rather see other people win.
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MXD 7/27/2014 5:50pm
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ando wrote:
Adderall is legal outside of AMA rules as well...

What's your point?
MXD wrote:
You know my point. You just want to be a witty internet superstar. I won't play along with you.
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Hardly. You made the initial suggestion that IV's should be legal, several people including myself have said that it's a ridiculous suggestion, and now you're not...
Hardly.

You made the initial suggestion that IV's should be legal, several people including myself have said that it's a ridiculous suggestion, and now you're not prepared to defend it?

Your original post said that making it legal would be fair for everyone, and now you're saying there would be no negative impacts by allowing IV's. Why are they banned in the first place then?
Here is my point. IV's have zero negative effect on the body but they DO give someone an advantage over someone who does not have one. PED's (generally speaking) are illegal and in every case that I can think of (even when they are prescription drugs) they have a negative effect on the body and can be dangerous. If that is the case, I was merely suggesting that IVs be legal and available to everyone. I don't know how that would work logistically. I agree that you can't have 10 year old kids walking around the pits and have privateers sitting under 10x10 ez ups with needles sticking out of their arm. Maybe MX Sports can regulate it somehow and administer them through the Onsite medical staff for a small fee. I don't know how it would work. I was simply suggesting that if they are safe, legal and some are already doing it, why not make it legal and available to everyone.

I'm not lobbying for it so I don't have all the answers. It was just a thought.
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Myke 7/27/2014 5:53pm
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Wow. Stewart needs to make a public statement about all this so it does not keep spiraling downward.
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olds cool 7/27/2014 5:57pm
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So there's a chance Tony Alessi was right??? Silly
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smeg 7/27/2014 5:59pm
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olds cool wrote:
So there's a chance Tony Alessi was right??? Silly
That's a scary thought............Blink

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GuyB 7/27/2014 6:00pm
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olds cool wrote:
So there's a chance Tony Alessi was right??? Silly
About what?
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hvaughn88 7/27/2014 6:02pm
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olds cool wrote:
So there's a chance Tony Alessi was right??? Silly
Throw enough darts and you're liable to pop a balloon every now and then, haha
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JW381 7/27/2014 6:03pm
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olds cool wrote:
So there's a chance Tony Alessi was right??? Silly
hvaughn88 wrote:
Throw enough darts and you're liable to pop a balloon every now and then, haha
The sun shines on even a dog's ass eventually
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IWreckALot 7/27/2014 6:11pm
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Whoever said that administering an iv outside of a hospital is close to right. Ambulances and I'd imagine the asterisk medical unit are allowed to administer also. The concern is sanitation. An RV is not medically sanitary. Also, one of my buds wife is a nurse. We've tried repeatedly to get her to give an iv before or after a race and she says no because she'll lose her license. That's probably why administering an iv in a mobile is forbidden.

Dehydration causes some psychological and physical issues that don't go away immediately when you are rehydrated. My kidneys temporarily shut down and it took about 24 hours to start functioning again. You simply can't have riders making bad decisions with partially functioning organs racing a Moto.

All reasons the rule are in place.

Smeg clearly has an agenda against James. If it were any other rider, and there wasn't sufficient evidence, and you clearly don't know exactly what was said by whom, you wouldn't be pushing for a penalty.
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bish153 7/27/2014 6:19pm
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This was a setup. Someone knew what she did and had her stopped and confronted, to see what she would say. Guess what, she said what they were looking for. It seems there is a group that wants James out of the sport, and I think they are powerful enough to do it. It's gonna be a sad day when he packs up. If I were him, I would have already told everyone to fuck off and went home.
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hvaughn88 7/27/2014 6:19pm
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I worked for a surgeon when I was in college and I took advantage of getting him to give me an IV after a few nights of a beverage or 12 too many, haha.
rocketsocks26 7/27/2014 6:21pm
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Wow! This site "vital mx" is just coming pathetic. Its amazing how people are so judgemental and gossipy without knowing the truth.im sure use all watch tmz and buy "ok" magazine. The sport of mx is becoming real corny if its gna be like this.
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Bob693 7/27/2014 6:21pm
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I have a hard time believing the nurse wouldn't know they would need to keep it quiet. To walk up and say you need in to give James his IV just sounds like BS.
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JA946 7/27/2014 6:22pm
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4-ERA wrote:
I can't imagine someone paying a nurse to fly all over the country each week just to do something as easy as starting an IV. There's...
I can't imagine someone paying a nurse to fly all over the country each week just to do something as easy as starting an IV.

There's nothing to it. Anyone who really wanted to cheat that bad could learn to do it with a 5 minute youtube video.

This has got to be BS.
Here's some facts....

An EMT can give an IV - even without a doctor telling them to.

A Nursing assistant or PCT can NOT give an IV.

A Registered Nurse can give an IV.

A LPN can NOT give an IV, unless they are certified, but this is a state by state qualification.

These guys are getting paid millions, paying a nurse 75K plus travel is not out of the question to give fluids.
TripleFive 7/27/2014 6:24pm
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Why would someone be in such rush after the motos are over to hydrate intravenously?

Hurry, James has a race next weekend!

James is hiring and flying a nurse to the track each week to give him an IV immediately after the races are finished?

Does this make sense to anyone?
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firemedic301 7/27/2014 6:24pm
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vanillaice782 wrote:
We call the cops on people who leave the hospital with an IV. It's kind of a big deal to just have someone start one on...
We call the cops on people who leave the hospital with an IV. It's kind of a big deal to just have someone start one on you outside of the hospital. Even of this person is allegedly a nurse they're definitely losing their license.
IV's are started 1000's of times a day outside of hospitals with no problems. I start IV's on myself all the time, no big deal. Just Saline, Electrolytes, Vitamins. Just my .02 cents. And for the record I saw a few IV's started on riders at Glen Helen years ago at a race that was super hot 95' if I remember.
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hvaughn88 7/27/2014 6:26pm
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TripleFive wrote:
[b]Why would someone be in such rush after the motos are over to hydrate intravenously?[/b] Hurry, James has a race next weekend! James is hiring and...
Why would someone be in such rush after the motos are over to hydrate intravenously?

Hurry, James has a race next weekend!

James is hiring and flying a nurse to the track each week to give him an IV immediately after the races are finished?

Does this make sense to anyone?
It does seem odd. Granted, we don't know all the details, but if thats the case...it is pretty odd.

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