Surrender from PulpMX - MXDN

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7/1/2014 1:58pm
I thought The Nations was just supposed to be really fun event that highlights a different country's track (and brings in fobs of people and their loot), a big dose of nationalistic pride., showcases the worlds best racers and is a darn good excuse to drink lots of beer with like minded folks.
7/1/2014 1:58pm
Brent wrote:
No matter, Kenny is going to be the fastest rider, of this I have little doubt. Kroc vs Tony vs Herlings, that is what I want...
No matter, Kenny is going to be the fastest rider, of this I have little doubt.

Kroc vs Tony vs Herlings, that is what I want to see.

Sure id love the USA to win, but Villo is out, even if James rides he is too inconsistent , and well, you know the rest....
peelout wrote:
that's what i want to see, Kenny - Tony - Jeffrey. should be a hell of a race. too bad Villo is hurt as he'd be...
that's what i want to see, Kenny - Tony - Jeffrey. should be a hell of a race. too bad Villo is hurt as he'd be fun to watch in that group as well.

to be honest I couldn't care less if the USA sends a team. we win, we get nothing but shit for a year. we lose, we get nothing but shit for a year.
great to see the riders from each series race each other for one weekend a year- it will be a shame if you guys decide not to race the event. Its a better event with everyone there



7/1/2014 1:58pm
plowboy wrote:
I thought The Nations was just supposed to be really fun event that highlights a different country's track (and brings in fobs of people and their...
I thought The Nations was just supposed to be really fun event that highlights a different country's track (and brings in fobs of people and their loot), a big dose of nationalistic pride., showcases the worlds best racers and is a darn good excuse to drink lots of beer with like minded folks.
exactly!
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7/1/2014 2:05pm
Lamecake wrote:
More excuses please!
IceMan446 wrote:
22 excuses for the USA.

How many for the Netherlands?
Lamecake wrote:
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its...
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its excuses.

Btw; If Coldenhoff is back from injury, I'm pretty confident he'll beat your MX2 champs in Kegums.
That is EXACTLY what myself and Bighead1 are talking about.

It doesn't matter if we win...because we've got 50X more pro riders...anything you Euro's can do to discount our win (or our record) you will do. You refuse to give any respect...so I say we stay home and let you have that race all to yourselves...while we continue to take a good chunk of your MX2 champs and we'll just watch them race our national series while you never get to see any of the top Americans.

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7/1/2014 2:09pm
Lamecake wrote:
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its...
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its excuses.

Btw; If Coldenhoff is back from injury, I'm pretty confident he'll beat your MX2 champs in Kegums.
IceMan446 wrote:
Why doesn't China or India win then? They have 36% of the worlds population combined. Dont blame the size of the country on why we have...
Why doesn't China or India win then? They have 36% of the worlds population combined.

Dont blame the size of the country on why we have so many wins.

More excuses please.
Whatever makes you feel good lol
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7/1/2014 2:20pm
Lamecake wrote:
Whatever makes you feel good lol
What ever excuse you have to find as to why the Americans win more than any other country.

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7/1/2014 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2014 3:13pm
After so many years of US dominance at the MXdN, with their huge and often aloof entourages at the event and the constant ridiculing of the World Championship there has probably been some pent up frustration among Europeans which has spilled over at times. But now Germany and Belgium have stemmed the tide and everyone has had a little bit of fun at the expense of the Americans I think there'll be a bit more mutual respect over the next few years.

It should be a celebration of 'World' Motocross and the more Team USA embraces the event instead of shying away from it the more Europeans will warm to them. The problem now is that they've created this notion that US Nationals are the holy grail of Motocross so now they have that reputation to uphold.
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7/1/2014 2:48pm
What if the US sends the "b-team" and win? Better to live with the hope of that happening than no hope at all.

It's motocross, anything can happen, all the top teams have had DNF's and crashes over the years, anything can happend, and for as long as you are lining up behind the gate you're in for it.
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7/1/2014 2:59pm
TripleFive wrote:
If tUSA could send AdamC, James, and RV; Belgium and Germany would voluntarily give back their Chamberlain trophies and apologize.
that would probably be a pretty unbeiveable team but I don't think we will ever see it
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7/1/2014 3:05pm
plowboy wrote:
I thought The Nations was just supposed to be really fun event that highlights a different country's track (and brings in fobs of people and their...
I thought The Nations was just supposed to be really fun event that highlights a different country's track (and brings in fobs of people and their loot), a big dose of nationalistic pride., showcases the worlds best racers and is a darn good excuse to drink lots of beer with like minded folks.
it is but then you have guys like mccreed and others who twist it around and turn it into a big shit slinging contest
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7/1/2014 3:39pm
my god.... wheres is the american pride in this sport lol
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7/1/2014 4:05pm
Sounds like a case of 'if you can't win, don't play' to me- terrible attitude! Sore losers



Park Boys wrote:
It could also be that the race is 1 month after our last national, guys are getting ready to go ballz deep in SX mode, which...
It could also be that the race is 1 month after our last national, guys are getting ready to go ballz deep in SX mode, which is part of the reason we never sent a team in 04.
supercross doesnt start till January- all just (poor) excuses because they think they can't win! just like 2004, the race is at lierop so no american...
supercross doesnt start till January- all just (poor) excuses because they think they can't win! just like 2004, the race is at lierop so no american team because they didnt think they could win there

they should send the best team they can, take the huge chip off their shoulder and face the reality that maybe they shouldn't EXPECT to win anymore, and enjoy the race for what it is- just the same as the rest of the world do! At least save the excuses for after the event like the last 2 years that you didnt win!



2004 had RC a guy that smoked Everts in the sand a year before on a two stroke while being way down on power, so to say we were afraid with the goat leading the charge is BS, RC's contract was up at Honda and was switching bikes to Suzuki and Bubba was moving up and wanted to focus SX like RC. We have 22 titles since 82 and didnt send teams in 01, 02 and 04, no one is close in that time frame it's crazy to think that after two victories how much arrogance a lot of Europeans have after the last couple year's. Europe is not a country.... This is America we always expect to win !
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7/1/2014 4:07pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2014 4:10pm
They are all good riders, no matter what series they race. It's not like there is anyone vastly superior to someone from another country.

What irks me is the trolling and baiting from European and British fans on this American -Based message board. Americans are a proud people, and to come here and insult or disrespect the US born racers is nothing more than a display of how ignorant you are.

The same goes for Americans who disrespect the GP riders. Why search out this place if you have only have something bad to say.

Fact: the United States has more wins than any country. It took awhile for the European riders to catch up to what the US riders were doing to go fast, but now they have, and it's great to see. These guys are all pretty close in speed, so there is more of a chance any team with top talent will win, no matter where they were born.

I really like and respect Roczen, Cairoli, Van Horebeek, Canard, Villopoto, etc. because they are great racers, not because of the flag they are born under. Personally, I follow both the AMA and GP series with the same excitement, It's awesome that I can now watch them both every weekend.

So you GP fans who talk shit about US born riders, go fuck yourself. Same for my fellow Americans who do the same to the GP guys.
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7/1/2014 5:39pm
mx836 wrote:
I haven't seen a single post from you with an ounce of intelligence.
+1.
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7/1/2014 5:50pm
I say we should skip it.
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7/1/2014 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2014 5:59pm
I hope we send Canard, Tomac, and Martin (or Webb) as a "B Team" just to see them go and win it. The ONLY thing worse than seeing Team USA lose is seeing that USA didn't even have the nuts to go try it. Hell, send Josh Grant. I have a feeling that dude would go balls out if given the opportunity.
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7/1/2014 6:08pm
always cracks me up to see the Brits talking the most shit about us at MXdN, like they have something extra special to be proud about..

if riders and teams are losing motivation to go to this race after the long season and travel involved, give it a break for a year or two. it wouldn't be the end of the world, it's just one race...
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7/1/2014 7:27pm
Myke wrote:
I say we should skip it.
booo..... MXDN is one of the most important races of year. We should not surrender, lets slay those Euros! Woohoo
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7/1/2014 7:46pm
If DeCoster took RV2,RD5 and JS7 to the mxon this year and Mitch Payton took a second team of TC41,ET3 and BB4 are
you absolutely sure that DeCoster's team would win? I'm sick of hearing our guys being called a "B" team.
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7/1/2014 8:27pm
bd wrote:
booo..... MXDN is one of the most important races of year. We should not surrender, lets slay those Euros! Woohoo
I can think of 100 reasons not to go.

Dammit we need to be there.
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7/1/2014 10:06pm
Lamecake wrote:
More excuses please!
IceMan446 wrote:
22 excuses for the USA.

How many for the Netherlands?
Lamecake wrote:
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its...
How many residents in the USA? Always bragging about how you win with 50x more pro riders than any other county, and if you loose its excuses.

Btw; If Coldenhoff is back from injury, I'm pretty confident he'll beat your MX2 champs in Kegums.
more excuses please! lamecake lol. hypocritical much
7/1/2014 10:27pm
Well NZ has fuck all people let alone MX pros and we have been on the podium before......
7/2/2014 12:10am
keep the excuses coming this is great!

At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all their lives- if your ego can't take a couple of losses then take your ball home and don't play?

parkboys- the americans didnt come to lierop on 04 because RC didnt think he could beat everts there (after just switching teams supposedly) or that the team could win there. Yet he raced the US open the following week...


there's always plenty of excuses on your part! just bring what you got and race! no excuses afterwards. Enjoy the MX des nations for what it is/ should be- a celebration of world motocross, the biggest race in the world. The only opportunity fans at both side of the pond get to see the guys from each series go head to head!

It's not the end of the world if your team don't win, or if the gp riders have the upperhand one year- that should be motivation to go next year and ride better, not to decide not to take part in the event (can't win don't play)

I for one will be very disappointed not to see an American team at the mx des nations, it's a better event with you guys there regardless of the result
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7/2/2014 4:37am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2014 4:38am
keep the excuses coming this is great! At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all...
keep the excuses coming this is great!

At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all their lives- if your ego can't take a couple of losses then take your ball home and don't play?

parkboys- the americans didnt come to lierop on 04 because RC didnt think he could beat everts there (after just switching teams supposedly) or that the team could win there. Yet he raced the US open the following week...


there's always plenty of excuses on your part! just bring what you got and race! no excuses afterwards. Enjoy the MX des nations for what it is/ should be- a celebration of world motocross, the biggest race in the world. The only opportunity fans at both side of the pond get to see the guys from each series go head to head!

It's not the end of the world if your team don't win, or if the gp riders have the upperhand one year- that should be motivation to go next year and ride better, not to decide not to take part in the event (can't win don't play)

I for one will be very disappointed not to see an American team at the mx des nations, it's a better event with you guys there regardless of the result
All of this.

The US MX world didn't end after the USA lost last year, and I certainly don't think the year since has been a world of shit talk on them. You guys talking lose-lose are out of touch - things will be OK even if you don't win. Don't be so scared.

Every other country that is there still shows up (except for our lame-ass one when politics gets in the way) even though very few of them have any realistic chance of winning. And chest pounding is lame no matter who does it...
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7/2/2014 4:48am
Brent wrote:
No matter, Kenny is going to be the fastest rider, of this I have little doubt. Kroc vs Tony vs Herlings, that is what I want...
No matter, Kenny is going to be the fastest rider, of this I have little doubt.

Kroc vs Tony vs Herlings, that is what I want to see.

Sure id love the USA to win, but Villo is out, even if James rides he is too inconsistent , and well, you know the rest....
peelout wrote:
that's what i want to see, Kenny - Tony - Jeffrey. should be a hell of a race. too bad Villo is hurt as he'd be...
that's what i want to see, Kenny - Tony - Jeffrey. should be a hell of a race. too bad Villo is hurt as he'd be fun to watch in that group as well.

to be honest I couldn't care less if the USA sends a team. we win, we get nothing but shit for a year. we lose, we get nothing but shit for a year.
How cool would it be to see all healthy, good starts, battle. Kenny, Bubby, RV, Jeffery, Tony, & DeSalle.
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7/2/2014 5:49am
I think Stewart still needs to prove he can stay upright and be near the front every moto. I do agree that Roger should be above...
I think Stewart still needs to prove he can stay upright and be near the front every moto.

I do agree that Roger should be above favoritism except where it's based on performance. Until 7 proves otherwise, he hasn't made Roger make that decision - with or without drug issues.
I'm on board with Braaappp on this one.
And for a 250 rider I wouldn't hesitate to send Webb. He is showing determination and speed at every race and type of track surface he's seen. He charges 100 percent of the time and doesn't seem intimidated by anyone. Decoster could do worse by not picking Webb.
Oh, and I'm not saying Martin or Baggett doesn't deserve the shot but I am liking the idea of sending a so called. "B" team. Reminds me of '82. They won't have the pressure of an "A" team that's for sure.
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7/2/2014 6:12am
Brent wrote:
They are all good riders, no matter what series they race. It's not like there is anyone vastly superior to someone from another country. What irks...
They are all good riders, no matter what series they race. It's not like there is anyone vastly superior to someone from another country.

What irks me is the trolling and baiting from European and British fans on this American -Based message board. Americans are a proud people, and to come here and insult or disrespect the US born racers is nothing more than a display of how ignorant you are.

The same goes for Americans who disrespect the GP riders. Why search out this place if you have only have something bad to say.

Fact: the United States has more wins than any country. It took awhile for the European riders to catch up to what the US riders were doing to go fast, but now they have, and it's great to see. These guys are all pretty close in speed, so there is more of a chance any team with top talent will win, no matter where they were born.

I really like and respect Roczen, Cairoli, Van Horebeek, Canard, Villopoto, etc. because they are great racers, not because of the flag they are born under. Personally, I follow both the AMA and GP series with the same excitement, It's awesome that I can now watch them both every weekend.

So you GP fans who talk shit about US born riders, go fuck yourself. Same for my fellow Americans who do the same to the GP guys.
Great post
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7/2/2014 6:17am
the americans didnt come to lierop on 04 because RC didnt think he could beat everts there

Serious question...Are you high?
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7/2/2014 6:43am
keep the excuses coming this is great! At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all...
keep the excuses coming this is great!

At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all their lives- if your ego can't take a couple of losses then take your ball home and don't play?

parkboys- the americans didnt come to lierop on 04 because RC didnt think he could beat everts there (after just switching teams supposedly) or that the team could win there. Yet he raced the US open the following week...


there's always plenty of excuses on your part! just bring what you got and race! no excuses afterwards. Enjoy the MX des nations for what it is/ should be- a celebration of world motocross, the biggest race in the world. The only opportunity fans at both side of the pond get to see the guys from each series go head to head!

It's not the end of the world if your team don't win, or if the gp riders have the upperhand one year- that should be motivation to go next year and ride better, not to decide not to take part in the event (can't win don't play)

I for one will be very disappointed not to see an American team at the mx des nations, it's a better event with you guys there regardless of the result
Did you happen to miss the MXON from 2003 IN BELGIUM? You can't be serious in thinking that RC was dodging Everts.
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7/2/2014 7:19am
keep the excuses coming this is great! At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all...
keep the excuses coming this is great!

At the end of the day, its a motocross race- on dirtbikes. These guys have been racing them all their lives- if your ego can't take a couple of losses then take your ball home and don't play?

parkboys- the americans didnt come to lierop on 04 because RC didnt think he could beat everts there (after just switching teams supposedly) or that the team could win there. Yet he raced the US open the following week...


there's always plenty of excuses on your part! just bring what you got and race! no excuses afterwards. Enjoy the MX des nations for what it is/ should be- a celebration of world motocross, the biggest race in the world. The only opportunity fans at both side of the pond get to see the guys from each series go head to head!

It's not the end of the world if your team don't win, or if the gp riders have the upperhand one year- that should be motivation to go next year and ride better, not to decide not to take part in the event (can't win don't play)

I for one will be very disappointed not to see an American team at the mx des nations, it's a better event with you guys there regardless of the result
Lol RC afraid of Everts, tell me how Everts did against RC once RC moved up to the big bikes? Oh Yeah he never beat him... RC smoked Everts in 03 and 05 so keep fishing.... Oh and the guy that beat Everts for three titles straight never won a race over RC and Tortelli won 3 races total against RC so please tell me again how RC was afraid of guy that could not beat him?

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