Adderall in moto, My opinion.

MXD wrote:

It's not as bad as you might think. Despite the common perception, Xanax doesn't just zap you and make you keel over and drool for hours...

It's not as bad as you might think. Despite the common perception, Xanax doesn't just zap you and make you keel over and drool for hours on end. Sure, if you take it and lay on your couch you'll likely fall asleep but if you're up and around, you barely notice that you took it except that your body is loose and relaxed. If you're doing something intense like racing mx, you can't even tell you took it. The ONLY effect it has on me during moto that I can absolutely feel is a dramatic reduction in arm pump. Other than that, nothing. As far as dosage, I usually take .5mg which is pretty small but it's all I need. I talked to my doctor about it and he said it was no big deal. As long as I had adrenaline pumping and I was focused, it would have basically no effect on my concentration until I stopped and relaxed my mind. From what I've felt, his opinion seems spot on.

The Rock wrote:

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking. I'm not one for...

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking.

I'm not one for promoting usage of any chemicals or pharmaceuticals in our sport but your words you barely notice that you took it except that your body is loose and relaxed. remind me of the best I ever rode at Carlsbad circa 1999. Told the story previously but the short version is I was DEAD tired and too tired to walk down the hill to the riders meeting but I was so relaxed I rode the best I ever did. My buddy in Florida after hearing this tale reminded me of the RAW program in the 70s....relax and win. It was weird since I've gotten tired during a moto and gone backwards but this time my pace was the same the entire moto. Started off tired and ended tired but finished well. It was the only time I ever beat Mark Hall of MXA Wrecking Crew fame.

Bottom line is there is a lot to be said to being relaxed on the bike. Ideally you find this zone naturally by not riding over your head and easing your way up to speed but in today's world we want everything NOW.

drmarkr wrote:

Ok.....let's have a short lesson on the performance enhancing effects of some meds being discussed here..... Adderall (or Ritalin, or any other amphetamine analog)......GOOD for SX/MX...

Ok.....let's have a short lesson on the performance enhancing effects of some meds being discussed here.....


Adderall (or Ritalin, or any other amphetamine analog)......GOOD for SX/MX. As I said elsewhere. this is a drug that will decrease reaction time, improve focus and improve hand-eye coordination. It would be a prime med for race day/night performance enhancement.

Xanax.........BAD for SX/MX. Essentially the opposite physiologic effect of amphetamine.

Narcotics..........BAD for SX/MX. See Xanax above.

Beta blockers..........BAD for SX/MX. Won't allow the necessary increase in HR to give the body the cardiac output it desires.


Other questions?

drmarkr wrote:

Ok.....let's have a short lesson on the performance enhancing effects of some meds being discussed here..... Adderall (or Ritalin, or any other amphetamine analog)......GOOD for SX/MX...

Ok.....let's have a short lesson on the performance enhancing effects of some meds being discussed here.....


Adderall (or Ritalin, or any other amphetamine analog)......GOOD for SX/MX. As I said elsewhere. this is a drug that will decrease reaction time, improve focus and improve hand-eye coordination. It would be a prime med for race day/night performance enhancement.

Xanax.........BAD for SX/MX. Essentially the opposite physiologic effect of amphetamine.

Narcotics..........BAD for SX/MX. See Xanax above.

Beta blockers..........BAD for SX/MX. Won't allow the necessary increase in HR to give the body the cardiac output it desires.


Other questions?

TripleFive wrote:

My doctor told me that, in his opinion, there is no objective test for ADD.

GarySemics wrote:

I never heard of Adderall so I did a Google Search. Here's a list of side effects: Side Effects Symptoms Before you decide to take an...

I never heard of Adderall so I did a Google Search. Here's a list of side effects:

Side Effects Symptoms

Before you decide to take an attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder treatment drug, such as Adderall, consider its common side effects including:

• Lack of appetite
• Headache
• Inability to fall asleep and stay asleep
• Dry Mouth
• Abdominal Pain and Discomfort
• Weight Loss
• Restlessness

If you already suffer from gastrointestinal problems, congenital heart defects or thyroid problems, Adderall prescription medication could interfere with your treatment plan for an underlying illness. Not all patients react the same to Adderall, so your doctor will follow you closely with frequent check-ups and routine medical exams.

Hazardous Side Effects

While most patients can tolerate low dosages of Adderall prescription medicine with minimal problems, there are some dangerous or hazardous side effects you should discuss with your doctor before starting a treatment plan. Some hazardous side effects include:

• Dangerous increase in blood pressure
• Tachycardia or a high pulse rate
• Irregular heart rate
• Difficulty breathing
• Chest pain
• Allergic reaction that includes swelling and redness in the eyes or throat
• Migraine headaches
• Syncope or losing consciousness
• Blurry or double vision
• Seizure activity and excessive and uncontrollable shaking
• Extreme nervousness and paranoid delusions
• Mood swings that include hostility and severe aggression
• Depression

I believe and declare that's just another example of there being no easy way in motocross. There's no substitute for hard work and dedication. And now that I'm getting older (60) I can honestly add: there's no substitute for youth!

MDMCG wrote:

I love how everyone gets a medical degree once they start posting on the internet. While there are some doctors on here, there isn't one currently...

I love how everyone gets a medical degree once they start posting on the internet. While there are some doctors on here, there isn't one currently contributing to the thread, as the stuff mentioned above in lots of subjective non-sense.

MD

MDMCG wrote:

I love how everyone gets a medical degree once they start posting on the internet. While there are some doctors on here, there isn't one currently...

I love how everyone gets a medical degree once they start posting on the internet. While there are some doctors on here, there isn't one currently contributing to the thread, as the stuff mentioned above in lots of subjective non-sense.

MD

drmarkr wrote:

I beg your pardon.......

The Rock wrote:

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking. I'm not one for...

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking.

I'm not one for promoting usage of any chemicals or pharmaceuticals in our sport but your words you barely notice that you took it except that your body is loose and relaxed. remind me of the best I ever rode at Carlsbad circa 1999. Told the story previously but the short version is I was DEAD tired and too tired to walk down the hill to the riders meeting but I was so relaxed I rode the best I ever did. My buddy in Florida after hearing this tale reminded me of the RAW program in the 70s....relax and win. It was weird since I've gotten tired during a moto and gone backwards but this time my pace was the same the entire moto. Started off tired and ended tired but finished well. It was the only time I ever beat Mark Hall of MXA Wrecking Crew fame.

Bottom line is there is a lot to be said to being relaxed on the bike. Ideally you find this zone naturally by not riding over your head and easing your way up to speed but in today's world we want everything NOW.

munsch121 wrote:

I have never taken Adderall, but I have taken Provigil.....its like everything is slowed down and suddenly becomes clear, Im not one to promote the usage...

I have never taken Adderall, but I have taken Provigil.....its like everything is slowed down and suddenly becomes clear, Im not one to promote the usage of pharmaceuticals, but it was like a religious experience riding while on Provigil.

StartedTooLate wrote:

Hmmm...sounds enticing.

The Rock wrote:

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking. I'm not one for...

I have never taken Xanax but I've know many who have. From what I've heard that is not fun to stop taking.

I'm not one for promoting usage of any chemicals or pharmaceuticals in our sport but your words you barely notice that you took it except that your body is loose and relaxed. remind me of the best I ever rode at Carlsbad circa 1999. Told the story previously but the short version is I was DEAD tired and too tired to walk down the hill to the riders meeting but I was so relaxed I rode the best I ever did. My buddy in Florida after hearing this tale reminded me of the RAW program in the 70s....relax and win. It was weird since I've gotten tired during a moto and gone backwards but this time my pace was the same the entire moto. Started off tired and ended tired but finished well. It was the only time I ever beat Mark Hall of MXA Wrecking Crew fame.

Bottom line is there is a lot to be said to being relaxed on the bike. Ideally you find this zone naturally by not riding over your head and easing your way up to speed but in today's world we want everything NOW.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

"Slow down to go faster" was what I learned when I was younger but I don't know if that applies in the new hyper speed racing...

"Slow down to go faster" was what I learned when I was younger but I don't know if that applies in the new hyper speed racing world. On the local level it works though, I showed up at our local cow arenacross here in Central Oregon this winter and won the vet moto's 30+and 40+ and my non moto friends couldn't help noticing and mentioning that I looked slower than everyone on the track but somehow I managed to pass everyone and win 3 of the 4 motos I relaxed and slowed down to win

bturner26x wrote:

Is this what going to an AA meeting is like?

bturner26x wrote:

Is this what going to an AA meeting is like?

kawboy388 wrote:

Pretty much,a bunch of people talking about how great it was, when they were on, whatever they were on. I couldn't wait to get a beer...

Pretty much,a bunch of people talking about how great it was, when they were on, whatever they were on.

I couldn't wait to get a beer in me after the two I had to go to.


Yes,they were "court ordered" meetings

Alvear999 wrote:

That is exactly how i feel about it. I feel that a top rider could actually use this stuff to enhance performance, as long as they...

That is exactly how i feel about it. I feel that a top rider could actually use this stuff to enhance performance, as long as they do not build a tolerance to it. If someone takes one adderall a week (raceday) i think it would feel more potent.

I am not trying to brag or be arrogant but I have the speed to run with these guys, I ride with some privateers that have broken top 20 before and can pull away from them at times. (I was Talented, but didnt have the work ethic as a kid. Lots of regrets. ) So I can see where the affects of the drug would help.

I am VERY confident that if I, or one of these riders took adderall before going out there and had similar affects as to what i felt, that they would see a drop in lap times. The amount of focus you get is unreal. You would adapt to lines quicker, think further ahead on the track for passes. ect.

Adderall makes it hard to break concentration from the subject you focused on, and what could be better than that in a race? Nailing lines every lap if your out front, thinking ahead to make passes if you come from behind, or even protecting all the potential pass spots if you know someone is trying to get by.

All that was just about the focus aspect of it. Then theres the energy which would be awesome for the race, but having the major drawback of potentially killing you with a heart attack bc of the heart rates these guys are pumping for 30 min straight