MX vs ATV Supercross?

JonnyDH84
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5/17/2014 3:32pm
JonnyDH84 wrote:
Surely your joking mxgp is a lot better than reflex it isnt perfect but its a lot better.
Not Joking
VET176 wrote:
Well you must be high bro.

MXGP is the best MX game so far. My only bug is the AI needs to be harder.
I agree the ai does need to be harder and online needs fixing.
5/17/2014 6:58pm
Sorry my mistake either way its not the new game lol but my question is how the hell does he have that much speed to clear...
Sorry my mistake either way its not the new game lol but my question is how the hell does he have that much speed to clear all those jumps that smooth
I'd like to know this too. I started playing Untamed a week ago and two problems really stick out and frustrate me:

-The triples are fucking huge and hard to clear, no matter how I set up my bike. I've crashed coming up short on triples many more times than I've made them, so far. Any game that makes a standard boring SX triple that hard to clear clearly doesn't want me playing it anymore. I can oblige.

-The preloading is finicky (at least compared to Unleashed) and stupidly inaccurate. When I preload there's no way to know if I'm going to go two extra feet or twenty. (Which I guess is better than Reflex, where I literally could not tell that preloading was making any difference at all in jump distance.)

-OK, there's a third: The speeds are too high, and I'm thinking the racing will suffer because of it. I see this is a problem with Alive, too, though I haven't played it. "Good racing" is about seeing what the other racer is doing and reacting to it. It doesn't work if you're going too fast to react. I know they want to appeal to the MotorSTORM crowd, but this is motoCROSS. (And the crazy high speeds make the fact that it's so hard to clear the jumps even more ridiculous.)

Other than that I guess it's kinda fun. I know some of these problems were fixed in later games, and maybe I'll lighten up when I get better at it (IF I get better), but I just needed to vent since I spent $20 on this thing and I'd rather be playing Unleashed.
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5/18/2014 9:32am
Use the scrub button.

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5/18/2014 12:21pm
I think you'll see some updated info soon. Smile
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5/18/2014 7:58pm
GuyB, you got me excited now! What do you know?!?!
5/19/2014 12:09am
Ha. Well I fixed my first Untamed problem, not being able to clear the jumps. It's too stupid to even describe, but I will anyway.

With racing games (at least mx games with a clutch) I use a rubber band to hold down the gas on the controller and just pull the clutch in when I need to slow down a bit. Kinda stupid to be holding down a button the whole time, I figure. Well, the damn rubber band was only pulling the trigger down about 90%, and that last 10 gives you a LOT of extra punch.

So yeah, now it's fun again.

Dumbgeon.

Now I got a piece of Scotch tape holding it down.

I guess I'll replace the old complaint with a new one: the bike physics through the whoops looks goofy A.F. and looked better and more natural in Unleashed. Weird how they went backwards in that department.

Can't wait to see the new game. Slower speeds, please! Seems like Reflex was pretty levelheaded with its speed.
5/19/2014 1:13am
It's funny how we have this perfect image of an MX game in our heads but we'll most likely never get it.
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5/19/2014 5:30am
Just an updated reflex with new tracks, graphics, and bikes would make me happy. That and maybe make some of the tracks not deteriorate to the point of having no flow at all after 3-4 laps.
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5/19/2014 7:21am
Like most things released to the public, a mx game will never be perfect for everyone so they have to kinda hit the demographic in the middle.. One that is "all business" and dead accurate would never reach/sell to enough people to be profitable. It would only appeal to us hardcore individuals that ride ourselves and are deep into the sport. I imagine most of video game sales are probably to random kids that just wanna play a fun game anyway.

-Make the game too easy and it's cheesy to us hard core fans
-Make the game extremely technically accurate and it would turn off the regular people who don't take MX so serious

Hell, even as a mx racer and hard core fan of the sport myself I still would like the games to be accurate but fun as opposed to sitting down at the console and it being more like work than fun and really difficult to get a flow going. There are so many sensations to real motocross that can't be felt thru a TV so making a game that allows no error like the real world would be pretty unplayable and not very fun. I'd rather it allow me to make some mistakes and roll with it than fall every 2 seconds.


example:

Imagine if you could get cross-rutted in a game. It would be cool to be so real but you can't feel the balance of the bike thru your couch so it wouldn't be fun to just crash every couple seconds and can't do anything about it.


I thought alive was pretty darn good. My only complaints are the indoor tracks being more AX than SX and I wish somehow like in road racing games we could get real MX tracks in MX games. I wanna race Glen Helen or Red Bud or Budds Creek the same way we can race Laguna Seca or Suzuka in other video games. I also would like to be able to mod and tweak the bikes settings more like Gran Turismo.
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5/19/2014 8:31am
Flip109 wrote:
Just an updated reflex with new tracks, graphics, and bikes would make me happy. That and maybe make some of the tracks not deteriorate to the...
Just an updated reflex with new tracks, graphics, and bikes would make me happy. That and maybe make some of the tracks not deteriorate to the point of having no flow at all after 3-4 laps.
I completely agree!
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5/26/2014 8:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 8:57pm
Looks good
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5/27/2014 9:48am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 9:49am
Here's a video with some photos of Supercross.
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5/27/2014 10:41am
gsxr6 wrote:
Use the scrub button.
Any game with a scrub button is terrible.
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5/27/2014 10:48am
I dont see anything??
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5/27/2014 12:12pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 12:13pm
I dont see anything??
mysteriously disappeared????????????
watched it earlier..
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5/27/2014 3:18pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 5:25pm
The embedding is not working it seems.
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5/27/2014 3:43pm
SKlein wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s-xsSUzerI
confused because these aren't pictures, it's video, and what is he playing? this isn't on Alive or Reflex but looks like an ATV vs. game. whaddup?
confused because these aren't pictures, it's video, and what is he playing? this isn't on Alive or Reflex but looks like an ATV vs. game. whaddup?
it's Reflex on PC with a custom track and every now and then there's a picture of the same pictures in this thread in the upper right corner of the video
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5/27/2014 4:33pm
Surely you bro's checked out Facebook Smile

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Chad McCan wrote:
Surely you bro's checked out Facebook :) [img]https://i.imgur.com/eTDHWCn.png[/img]
Surely you bro's checked out Facebook Smile




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5/27/2014 6:37pm
That's it some pictures? it's an insult, back when MXM came out almost 20 years ago!!! We had dreams as moto gamers what the hell happen? Consoles, consoles ruined it. I guess it's back to MXSim I got Internet but I stink so bad, I can't even ride the SX tracks. MXGP dang.
5/28/2014 4:26pm
I'll believe it when I see it. Almost nobody has even heard of Nordic. They acquired Jowood out of BK and Jowood was a horrible publisher. An unknown publisher, a C-tier one at that, buys the THQ IP because....wait for it: nobody wanted it.

I hope they release it, but it's going to be a financial disaster for them. Fact it, it's old IP that nobody wanted and their best bet is to sell it to a developer.

Motocross / supercross is a niche within a niche. The game is how far overdue? That tells me they don't have the budget to make it let alone market it. I'll be sure to visit them at E3 this year assuming they have a booth.
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5/28/2014 7:12pm
I'll believe it when I see it. Almost nobody has even heard of Nordic. They acquired Jowood out of BK and Jowood was a horrible publisher...
I'll believe it when I see it. Almost nobody has even heard of Nordic. They acquired Jowood out of BK and Jowood was a horrible publisher. An unknown publisher, a C-tier one at that, buys the THQ IP because....wait for it: nobody wanted it.

I hope they release it, but it's going to be a financial disaster for them. Fact it, it's old IP that nobody wanted and their best bet is to sell it to a developer.

Motocross / supercross is a niche within a niche. The game is how far overdue? That tells me they don't have the budget to make it let alone market it. I'll be sure to visit them at E3 this year assuming they have a booth.
Dude, are you always this negative? Give them a chance before you jump off the cliff.
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5/28/2014 8:28pm
JEllis wrote:
Hello everyone, I've been looking around for information recently and I decided to come on here and find out if people are actually excited for this...
Hello everyone, I've been looking around for information recently and I decided to come on here and find out if people are actually excited for this title? I know MXGP has dropped recently and opinions have been kind of varied.

If you haven't heard any news below I'll link a video discussing some recently released info. Anyways are you excited for a new MX game to release? What are you most excited about and do you think Nordic will create the best MvA yet or is this going to be lacking something?

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KekZAZmqQJY

Look forward to hearing what everyone thinks!
I feel like with all the motocross games the biggest thing for me is the acceleration and deceleration is far too linear and smooth.

Riding a dirt bike, shit happens quickly and then slowly... Things are steep, slow, etc. You don't go 60mph drifting through a hair pin.... In the games you basically keep it tapped through corners, the bike does a goofy slide through it and then hit the jump at a funny angle.

Make it way slower, the accel way more violent, obstacles harder, steeper, etc. Go more realistic. The current physics models and game play seem like they have been done to death and without offering anything different I don't know how you guys will get different (better) sales results.

Just My 0.2 cents
5/28/2014 9:42pm
I'll believe it when I see it. Almost nobody has even heard of Nordic. They acquired Jowood out of BK and Jowood was a horrible publisher...
I'll believe it when I see it. Almost nobody has even heard of Nordic. They acquired Jowood out of BK and Jowood was a horrible publisher. An unknown publisher, a C-tier one at that, buys the THQ IP because....wait for it: nobody wanted it.

I hope they release it, but it's going to be a financial disaster for them. Fact it, it's old IP that nobody wanted and their best bet is to sell it to a developer.

Motocross / supercross is a niche within a niche. The game is how far overdue? That tells me they don't have the budget to make it let alone market it. I'll be sure to visit them at E3 this year assuming they have a booth.
Ramrod wrote:
Dude, are you always this negative? Give them a chance before you jump off the cliff.
1.) I'm nowhere near the cliff
2.) it's not negative it's reality. Nordic publishes crap and is a nobody in the business. You should hope for a sale if you like the series.
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5/28/2014 9:43pm
JEllis wrote:
Hello everyone, I've been looking around for information recently and I decided to come on here and find out if people are actually excited for this...
Hello everyone, I've been looking around for information recently and I decided to come on here and find out if people are actually excited for this title? I know MXGP has dropped recently and opinions have been kind of varied.

If you haven't heard any news below I'll link a video discussing some recently released info. Anyways are you excited for a new MX game to release? What are you most excited about and do you think Nordic will create the best MvA yet or is this going to be lacking something?

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KekZAZmqQJY

Look forward to hearing what everyone thinks!
Crush wrote:
I feel like with all the motocross games the biggest thing for me is the acceleration and deceleration is far too linear and smooth. Riding a...
I feel like with all the motocross games the biggest thing for me is the acceleration and deceleration is far too linear and smooth.

Riding a dirt bike, shit happens quickly and then slowly... Things are steep, slow, etc. You don't go 60mph drifting through a hair pin.... In the games you basically keep it tapped through corners, the bike does a goofy slide through it and then hit the jump at a funny angle.

Make it way slower, the accel way more violent, obstacles harder, steeper, etc. Go more realistic. The current physics models and game play seem like they have been done to death and without offering anything different I don't know how you guys will get different (better) sales results.

Just My 0.2 cents
That's always been my gripe too. MX/SX is such a blend of high-speed chaos and slow-speed tactical precision. Formula One (and some other driving games) sometimes capture this feeling pretty well.
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5/28/2014 9:51pm
Yep! Agree!
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5/29/2014 7:23am
1.) I'm nowhere near the cliff 2.) it's not negative it's reality. Nordic publishes crap and is a nobody in the business. You should hope for...
1.) I'm nowhere near the cliff
2.) it's not negative it's reality. Nordic publishes crap and is a nobody in the business. You should hope for a sale if you like the series.
Haha, I know you are just a guy wanting the best game us hardcore real mx fans deserve. I want the same.

I stand by what I have always said, just take Reflex, make some more new tracks, tweak the handling slightly, make it so you don't crash as easy and make online play bulletproof. Minimal cost to rework the game rather than reinvent it everytime and start fresh with a turd game...

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