Asterisk Mobile Medics

DC
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5/27/2014 5:24pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 5:27pm
Overdrive, how can a check be "slow in coming" when the series had not even started yet?

And that SX photo you posted was from the press conference two days before Anaheim, about 48 hours before the race.

The issue was trying to find another sponsor to help foot the bill, which we were not able to do. We are still trying to find one if you know anyone interested in helping the Asterisk Mobile Medics out.

DC
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5/27/2014 5:27pm
In concept, I don't think the unit should be supported by fans, but the industry/riders themselves. Now, saying that, as I mentioned earlier, I try to...
In concept, I don't think the unit should be supported by fans, but the industry/riders themselves. Now, saying that, as I mentioned earlier, I try to buy and support products that support the sport - for the medical unit and other well meaning services...

Isn't it late in the year to be realizing you're out of money? Aren't most sponsorship/support budgets long ago finalized?
Overdrive wrote:
I am sure AMMU had their budget set and were working that budget, but for some reason the $100k check from MXsports was slow to get...
I am sure AMMU had their budget set and were working that budget, but for some reason the $100k check from MXsports was slow to get to them. That's a large chunk of cash to go missing, so it would appear Doc went to the riders to get donation/bring awareness of the situation.

AMMU was under the assumption that some people were debating their worth and maybe thats why the check was slow in getting to them. I would like to hear why the check was slow and what was being debated.
OD, how do you know the check was slow getting to them? I don't read that anywhere in this thread. Just asking....what was the expected payment date??? I don't think someone should be calling that out unless they know all this administrative stuff.
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5/27/2014 5:27pm
prozach wrote:
What I can't understand is how I make less in a year than most these riders make in a few weeks and I don't expect free...
What I can't understand is how I make less in a year than most these riders make in a few weeks and I don't expect free medical care when I race. So why do they??? What is so wrong with simply charging the riders for their service?

Why should spectators foot the bill or be asked to donatell to keep a great service for riders in operation? If they value it make the them foot the bill.
I tend to agree with this. The fans buy tickets to the events, and I do try to go with companies that give back to the sport. Those two alone I think are significant.

I'd like to see the manufacturers step up to the plate honestly.
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Overdrive wrote:
Feld was on the right on the ball, why is it a race in and we are just getting this announcement from MXsports? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/27/55154/s1200_a1_14press_1.jpg[/img]
Feld was on the right on the ball, why is it a race in and we are just getting this announcement from MXsports?



Give it a rest dickhead, he just gave you an explanation as to the whole process including saying they're putting up about 120K and you complain that the head guy, who might, just maybe, be PRETTY FUCKING BUSY when the season starts is a few days late posting to a fucking message board.

The payment is already sorted and the truck is fine and underway, they can clearly always use more but it seems MXSports is doing what they need to, they just didn't make a song and dance about it. Now how's about you stfu.

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thanks for the post DC. unfortunately, around here, pretty much all you're going to get is a bunch of moron's giving their highly uneducated and uninformed...
thanks for the post DC. unfortunately, around here, pretty much all you're going to get is a bunch of moron's giving their highly uneducated and uninformed opinions. beauty of a message board. i didn't make it through the first page before i had to close it and just shake my head at some of the ridiculous things people were saying.

good on you for making a point to issue a statement, you definitely weren't required to do so.
You're a good boy, Peelout.

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You're a good boy, Peelout. [img]http://www.thehumorsource.com/system/items/33839.jpg[/img]
You're a good boy, Peelout.

And you'd been doing so average up until that point.
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5/27/2014 6:17pm
I know the privateers want to sell memorabilia at the races. Why not charge them a manageable vendors fee that goes towards the ammu? Seems like a win win except the current vendors selling gear. Just spit balling here.
5/27/2014 6:18pm
peelout wrote:
thanks for the post DC. unfortunately, around here, pretty much all you're going to get is a bunch of moron's giving their highly uneducated and uninformed...
thanks for the post DC. unfortunately, around here, pretty much all you're going to get is a bunch of moron's giving their highly uneducated and uninformed opinions. beauty of a message board. i didn't make it through the first page before i had to close it and just shake my head at some of the ridiculous things people were saying.

good on you for making a point to issue a statement, you definitely weren't required to do so.
rebus wrote:
You're a good boy, Peelout. [img]http://www.thehumorsource.com/system/items/33839.jpg[/img]
You're a good boy, Peelout.

Being respectful and correct doesn't make him an ass-kisser.

And calling peelout an ass-kisser? Have you actually read some of his quotes over the years? I have no doubt that Guy B has tried to click him more than once, but was unable to do so being doubled over in laughter. The dude brings a high level of sarcasm and humor to the board most of the time.
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5/27/2014 7:16pm
At local races, the promoter supply's an ambulance and paramedic's, why should the AMA National's be any different ?
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5/27/2014 7:42pm
Pond Scum wrote:
At local races, the promoter supply's an ambulance and paramedic's, why should the AMA National's be any different ?
local paramedics dont cost 130,000 a year

they are also not nearly as experienced as asterisk
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5/27/2014 7:57pm
Pond Scum wrote:
At local races, the promoter supply's an ambulance and paramedic's, why should the AMA National's be any different ?
yz414 wrote:
local paramedics dont cost 130,000 a year

they are also not nearly as experienced as asterisk
Really ?

It's all relative
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5/27/2014 8:06pm
You know what I don't get?

I don't get the douches, wannabes & keyboard-warriors that have an opinion; yet, they haven't been there, done that or they don't even give a shit about what's really being discussed here: immediate response and care for the typical Pro-Moto-Injury...Often affecting a privateer.

But, never-mind. Just cherry-pick some little talking point that catches your fancy...

Or...

STFU & get in on the solution.

I'm jus' sayin'...
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5/27/2014 8:13pm
prozach wrote:
What I can't understand is how I make less in a year than most these riders make in a few weeks and I don't expect free...
What I can't understand is how I make less in a year than most these riders make in a few weeks and I don't expect free medical care when I race. So why do they??? What is so wrong with simply charging the riders for their service?

Why should spectators foot the bill or be asked to donatell to keep a great service for riders in operation? If they value it make the them foot the bill.
Adults are having a conversation here. Please wait until they're done.

Thank you.
What does that mean? Are you anti people paying for the services they use and can aford to pay for.
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5/27/2014 8:57pm
You guys have to be kidding. DC says he is now going to step up and help fund the AMMU, which he has done for many years, and you clowns are bagging on him because it wasn't done in a timely enough manner for you? Am I missing something or are some of us really that fricken stupid? I honestly don't even know what to say about that. . .
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5/27/2014 9:41pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 9:41pm
Davey.......

ProZach hit on a good subject........Although it's hard to charge the same amount to RV as you would some guy breaking into the top 20 in an outdoor national.

Need a sliding scale some how.

I'll go one further.......why don't more teams join in? Like Team Suzuki , Kawasaki , Yamaha , Honda , KTM....??

Or the sponsors like Monster , Redbull , Rockstar.........maybe motosports , Parts unlimited?

The Teams pay the riders a salary , and the sponsors do to. Wouldn't it work if the teams budgeted a small percentage of their yearly costs to go towards the medical staff?

There are some really big teams , and some really big sponsors out there that have some very DEEP pockets! They SHOULD pay for ( or help pay for ) their own riders health benefits.
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5/27/2014 9:54pm
First, I know how hard it is year over year to raise money as I belong to a MX / SX charity. It is hard asking people for a share of a seemingly shrinking wallet.

Second, is there something to be learned from the models used in Indy Car ? NASCAR ? MX GPs? Moto GP ? WoO ? Maybe there are some best practices to leverage from. Just a thought...


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5/27/2014 10:29pm
Pond Scum wrote:
At local races, the promoter supply's an ambulance and paramedic's, why should the AMA National's be any different ?
yz414 wrote:
local paramedics dont cost 130,000 a year

they are also not nearly as experienced as asterisk
Pond Scum wrote:
Really ?

It's all relative
By that logic, I suppose all athletic trainers in baseball, football, etc should be fired and replaced by local EMT.
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5/27/2014 10:33pm
What if each of the 80 riders gave $100? That would be $8,000 per race and $96,000 per year.

Yes, I know the costs are crazy for some the privateers already. But it would be a tax right off for them. I'm not sure what the top 40 pay out is in motocross.

My last idea, it's off the wall, but is there way to hire an insurence company to fit in that $130k budget, then have Astorisk bill them when they are used?
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5/27/2014 10:35pm
jeffro503 wrote:
[b]Davey[/b]....... [b]ProZach[/b] hit on a good subject........Although it's hard to charge the same amount to RV as you would some guy breaking into the top 20...
Davey.......

ProZach hit on a good subject........Although it's hard to charge the same amount to RV as you would some guy breaking into the top 20 in an outdoor national.

Need a sliding scale some how.

I'll go one further.......why don't more teams join in? Like Team Suzuki , Kawasaki , Yamaha , Honda , KTM....??

Or the sponsors like Monster , Redbull , Rockstar.........maybe motosports , Parts unlimited?

The Teams pay the riders a salary , and the sponsors do to. Wouldn't it work if the teams budgeted a small percentage of their yearly costs to go towards the medical staff?

There are some really big teams , and some really big sponsors out there that have some very DEEP pockets! They SHOULD pay for ( or help pay for ) their own riders health benefits.
+1 on the angle Jeffro is taking. I think folks may be missing the point of DCs original post a bit. I, too went straight to the gutter in thinking I don't pay for my local track EMTs, it shouldn't be any different for professionals (and I agree that should all be relative).

Before you post something that sounds stupid, go back and read this thread again, it will make more sense. I can think of a few SX teams that have lost their title sponsor and died quicker than quick. The medical team has financially relied on a title sponsor which has apparently died so now what do you do? DC shouldn't be flamed for asking for suggestions, I think Jeffro has the most logical suggestions so far. I am sure DC has already beat this one to a pulp, but a new title sponsor sure seems like the easiest fix.
5/27/2014 10:43pm
We may see how important it is to the riders, if its going to go away then they may need to find a solution because they are the ones it benefits. I know if I was racing the nationals I would want it there every race but sometimes the people who use it will be the ones who have to pay for the 5 star medical care that it provides.
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5/27/2014 11:19pm
Sounds like MX Sports has covered almost all the expense for the national series.

Its costs about 10 Grand per event to have the rig there X 12 events, so about 120k for the series, correct?

DC says he is writing a check over 100 grand, so almost all the cost for the national series is being covered already.

So I don't get why the rig can only go to 3 nationals before the money runs out? Sounds like Feld, while obviously generous, may have gotten a better deal, cutting a 130K check for 18 supercross events? Somebody check my math.

That said, I am willing to donate to the AMMU now if there is a way to do it.
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5/27/2014 11:46pm
What are you doing to help the mobile medics?

I'll be giving Doc Bodnar a check for 120 dollars this weekend.
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5/28/2014 1:15am
Listen, I have HUGE respect for the Asterisk guys, and for DC as well.

However, this whole deal is one of the many reasons why our sport is a backwoods mulletfest in the eyes of the mainstream. Show me one other high profile sport where the fans are asked to contribute financially to have a medical unit at an event.
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5/28/2014 2:57am
When the Asterisk Mobile Medics Unit started it was their hope that the riders would not ever have to pay for the service, and they haven't through sponsorship and donations and voluntary services and help, But in the last five years, as the economy has struggled, the sponsorship dried up as did a lot of donations -- even while the operating costs go up. They are still folks out there like JGR and now the Kurt Caselli 66 Foundation who do what they can. Asterisk still owns the rigs but the operating costs are almost entirely paid by the series organizers. (And event promoters also have to have ambulances and local paramedics on site too, as the rig does not transport patients to local hospitals.)

Doc Bodnar was asking for help at the riders a meeting because it has become such a struggle year-in, year-out, to keep going. If you know or see a way to help out here, or an opportunity comes up to donate or participate in a raffle or cool program, please try to do it, because they want to continue and not have to charge the athletes to make ends meet.

As for them getting a better deal from Feld, it's because they have five or six races in the SoCal area where they don't have to all fly across the country to help out. The nationals have less rounds but they are more scattered around the country.

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5/28/2014 3:58am
Thanks DC for all the info. I think you've wasted enough time explaining yourself to us. You're doing a great job with the nationals. See you at RedBud and Indiana !

On another note....... didn't JLaw once give them a big check ?
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5/28/2014 4:03am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2014 4:06am
Not sure if the is the type of example you're looking for, but I used to participate in rodeo and they had a mobile medical unit at the events called the Justin sports medicine mobile unit (Justin boots was the title sponsor). They provide actual insurance and charge the rodeo participants for the service....$1000 deductible and $17,500 per incident. Here's the link(s) to how they do it....

http://www.justinsportsmedicine.com/

http://www.justinsportsmedicine.com/faq/

I know the goal is for the rider to never have to pay for the service.... I'm just throwing this out there as an example as how another sport does it.


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5/28/2014 4:47am
TeamGreen wrote:
You know what I don't get? I don't get the douches, wannabes & keyboard-warriors that have an opinion; yet, they haven't been there, done that or...
You know what I don't get?

I don't get the douches, wannabes & keyboard-warriors that have an opinion; yet, they haven't been there, done that or they don't even give a shit about what's really being discussed here: immediate response and care for the typical Pro-Moto-Injury...Often affecting a privateer.

But, never-mind. Just cherry-pick some little talking point that catches your fancy...

Or...

STFU & get in on the solution.

I'm jus' sayin'...
Yep, listen to TeamGreen, he's been there-done that and if you are just a keyboard-warrior then you don't know jack. Same ole post from him. You are so important on the inside and everybody else who is just a fan is not smart enough to comment. Your post sounds so ignorant. Grow up, you're not all that.
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5/28/2014 5:05am
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Overdrive, how can a check be "slow in coming" when the series had not even started yet? And that SX photo you posted was from the...
Overdrive, how can a check be "slow in coming" when the series had not even started yet?

And that SX photo you posted was from the press conference two days before Anaheim, about 48 hours before the race.

The issue was trying to find another sponsor to help foot the bill, which we were not able to do. We are still trying to find one if you know anyone interested in helping the Asterisk Mobile Medics out.

DC
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That was exactly my point, two days before the race Doc had the assurance from Feld that he would have the money to do the series.

Mxsports has already run a race and is only now giving Doc that assurance that he will have the money to complete the series? It seems to me there was doubt at AMMU that Mxsports would even be supporting the AMMU by the quote below.


Eddie Cassillas had this to say about it.

On his personal page he said...

I don't like when athletes get injured. That being said I love my job and the guys and gals I work with. To think that up until a week prior to the start of the Glen Helen national the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center was not going. There were some individuals who thought the cost of our team being there was too much. To that I say, perhaps Dean Wilson would have been better treated by a flagger or EMT.




The thing that makes me angry is the privateers make next to nothing for doing this series. Yet one of the few benefits they have at the track is AMMU and its value is being debated?

So what your saying MXsports and the promoters don't make enough money off the nationals to be able to support AMMU? If so then get the teams that are not supporting it to pony up, their riders benefit from it as well.

Please don't tell us costs go up, we all know that cause we see it every time we purchase a ticket or beer or we want to park our car at an event.

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