My .02 on RV's knee

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5/6/2014 2:55pm
2thefront wrote:
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he...
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he got asked in the press conference and then after the race by multiple people. I don't think he wanted to say anything but couldn't say it was up in the air or that he wasn't racing for whatever reason. So what do you do? Say "as of now, I plan to race" to maybe take some heat off. I think he was aware that most people knew already he wasn't going to be there given the evidence that was out there.
GuyB wrote:
Say one thing, do the opposite, and people are supposed to know? I get differing stories every weekend, and have to filter through what I think...
Say one thing, do the opposite, and people are supposed to know?

I get differing stories every weekend, and have to filter through what I think is true or not. It's not always so crystal clear.
That's was the core of my point...

There were plenty of indicators that things were changing at Monster Kawasaki.

The idea that he'd not only run a "Disinformation Campaign"; but, also take shots at the Vital-community...? I'd say that was a mistake driven by the stress & strain he was under at the time.
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5/6/2014 3:19pm
He wasn't racing for a championship on an injured knee of which he didn't know the extent of the injury..

You guys seriously think he hurt his knee and his team/trainer/personal doctors just said, "Oh well, lets just wait until Supercross is over before we go the doctor to do the tests to see what is actually wrong"...

I'm sure as soon as he hurt it they got it scanned and knew the extent of the injury...I could see them making the call that it was ok to race on for the time being and they revalued it at the end of the season to see if it had further damage but there is no way he just toughed it out not knowing what was wrong..

With them already having Metcalf lined up to ride the bike you know the plan had been in place for at least a few weeks...I could care less personally whether he told the truth or not..I can't stand the guy but what he does or says makes no difference to me...I would have liked to see him line up though as I'd like to see #7 win the championship strait up..
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5/6/2014 3:35pm
The knee was a symptom; the disease is Villipoto not wanting to race beyond his commitments. The decision to pass on the nationals could have been made last week, last month, or last year. His interview with MC told a more complete story than any visit with an orthopedic surgeon.

RV likely has a financial number he needs to retire comfortably, and the SX bonuses moved that needle significantly. His contract may not specifically state "SX Only", but it may have an opt-out clause should Ryan bring home the big trophy. And if it does, good for him. He honored his commitment, and the good folks at KHI and Monster couldn't be happier.
5/6/2014 4:28pm
If you didn't get just a lil bit more excited about nationals after hearing the RV news then go home
No offense but it's sucks balls RV isn't racing IMO to be the best you have to beat the best and unfortunately the best rider in the world won't be racing outdoors so in my books I'll always have and asterisk next to this years outdoor champion but that's how my mind thinks .

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5/6/2014 5:21pm
There seems to be a strong sentiment around here that the riders do not owe the fans or media one damn thing. I guess that went right out the window.
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5/6/2014 5:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2014 5:43pm
newmann wrote:
It's one thing to throw a bunch of goofs on a message board under the bus even if most all of them are better educated. It's...
It's one thing to throw a bunch of goofs on a message board under the bus even if most all of them are better educated. It's another to get the mod to come back here and tell everybody "I told you so". And then it is whole other thing all together to rip Guy B's head off and shit down his neck like Villopoto just did. Played him like a fucking fiddle, Cox and Weege too from what I've seen.

Giberson handles these uneducated little prima donnas with kid gloves and does a great job of promoting them through Vital MX and wherever else his work takes him. I can't ever think of a situation where Guy B has ever shown any disrespect to Ryan or his wife. I personally think an apology is owed from both of them.

Some of these pros are quick to forget that they are who they are and where they are due in large part to the fans who pay the bills. They may think they owe us nothing, but in reality we owe them even less.

Will be interesting to watch how this plays out now that Villopoto's character has come into question.
So I guess we are goofs and the riders are uneducated prima donnas...Grinning

What does a rider's educational background have to do with anything here?

Interesting seeing the vital crown melt down over this and once again show their hypocrisy. J-Law does the same thing on a regular basis and doesn't get near the shit storm RV is getting.

Ryan Villopoto is under a lot of pressure and for all we know, may have been advised to say what he said. Maybe so, maybe not. But now, suddenly, his character is under scrutiny? Please. Who here really knows RV enough to say anything about his character?
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5/6/2014 5:41pm
GuyB deserves an apology from RV and Kawasaki.

Doesnt Kawasaki have a PR person? What in the hell was Kawasaki doing letting the most inarticulate rider of the current century field the topic of whether he was or wasnt riding the Nationals?

Major screw-up on Kawasakis part
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5/6/2014 6:42pm
GuyB wrote:
No doubt. The oddest moment of the season was Saturday night after the 450 main. Kristen Villopoto was chatting with Weege, and she sees me holding...
No doubt.

The oddest moment of the season was Saturday night after the 450 main. Kristen Villopoto was chatting with Weege, and she sees me holding my phone.

"You'd better not be recording this."

I show her that there's nothing going on with my phone.

"You'd better delete that."

Delete what? I do interviews with people that are newsworthy. I don't do shady recordings.
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5/6/2014 6:56pm
If you didn't get just a lil bit more excited about nationals after hearing the RV news then go home
Sloaner104 wrote:
No offense but it's sucks balls RV isn't racing IMO to be the best you have to beat the best and unfortunately the best rider in...
No offense but it's sucks balls RV isn't racing IMO to be the best you have to beat the best and unfortunately the best rider in the world won't be racing outdoors so in my books I'll always have and asterisk next to this years outdoor champion but that's how my mind thinks .
Ok. Let's asterisk rv's 2011 title because of dungeys dnf. Or reeds 04 title cause rc wasn't there. Or rc's 03 sx title cause pastrana got hurt in the preseason. Or.....

See how that's dumb?
5/6/2014 6:57pm
rebus wrote:
There seems to be a strong sentiment around here that the riders do not owe the fans or media one damn thing. I guess that went...
There seems to be a strong sentiment around here that the riders do not owe the fans or media one damn thing. I guess that went right out the window.
He only owes his sponsors good image of their product. Ridiculing fans just for the heck of it is not the definition of reflecting a good image.
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5/7/2014 12:13am
2thefront wrote:
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he...
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he got asked in the press conference and then after the race by multiple people. I don't think he wanted to say anything but couldn't say it was up in the air or that he wasn't racing for whatever reason. So what do you do? Say "as of now, I plan to race" to maybe take some heat off. I think he was aware that most people knew already he wasn't going to be there given the evidence that was out there.
TripleFive wrote:
If I am asked a question my superiors have told me not to answer I say, "I'm sorry, I can't answer that question."
Which would lead to even more questions and speculation. I think that's all he cared about avoiding. In the end, his way still worked. I would say majority of people here bought in and said we shouldn't even question it.
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5/7/2014 12:20am
2thefront wrote:
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he...
I don't think RV made an "announcement" he was racing outdoors at NJ. It was the first weekend he got asked about the rumors and he got asked in the press conference and then after the race by multiple people. I don't think he wanted to say anything but couldn't say it was up in the air or that he wasn't racing for whatever reason. So what do you do? Say "as of now, I plan to race" to maybe take some heat off. I think he was aware that most people knew already he wasn't going to be there given the evidence that was out there.
GuyB wrote:
Say one thing, do the opposite, and people are supposed to know? I get differing stories every weekend, and have to filter through what I think...
Say one thing, do the opposite, and people are supposed to know?

I get differing stories every weekend, and have to filter through what I think is true or not. It's not always so crystal clear.
I don't think you're supposed to know for sure. I mean, even Matthes and JT who were most adamant about it were less sure after he said it, but I do think there was enough evidence to at least be skeptical. Ultimately though, I only expect you to report what you know, not necessarily give your opinion of whether someone is lying or not.
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5/7/2014 5:04am
Sandberm wrote:
GuyB deserves an apology from RV and Kawasaki. Doesnt Kawasaki have a PR person? What in the hell was Kawasaki doing letting the most inarticulate rider...
GuyB deserves an apology from RV and Kawasaki.

Doesnt Kawasaki have a PR person? What in the hell was Kawasaki doing letting the most inarticulate rider of the current century field the topic of whether he was or wasnt riding the Nationals?

Major screw-up on Kawasakis part
Ha. I'm not sure if she's still involved but Kristen Villopoto used to be in charge of Kawi's PR.
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5/11/2014 2:00am
He didn't really give the fans much to go of. Follow him all year then he just drops this and doesn't say much at all just see you later.Slack
5/11/2014 4:06am
RV doesn't owe anyone an apology or the "truth". He's not enjoying racing. It happens to a lot of racers. Take the summer off and go fishing or fix the knee. They're both good excuses. On behalf of RV.....Sorry feelings are hurt.
5/11/2014 4:08am
Crank wrote:
He didn't really give the fans much to go of. Follow him all year then he just drops this and doesn't say much at all just...
He didn't really give the fans much to go of. Follow him all year then he just drops this and doesn't say much at all just see you later.Slack
70% of all marriages fail. Another 20% just stay together. You just have to move on.
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Crank wrote:
He didn't really give the fans much to go of. Follow him all year then he just drops this and doesn't say much at all just...
He didn't really give the fans much to go of. Follow him all year then he just drops this and doesn't say much at all just see you later.Slack
70% of all marriages fail. Another 20% just stay together. You just have to move on.
I'm hearing ya lol.it is like you partner left with no reason lol. He can do what ever he wants at the end of the day but dam I would have loved to see him win the nationals and des nations and monster cup in the one year again.
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5/12/2014 6:19am
RV doesn't owe anyone an apology or the "truth". He's not enjoying racing. It happens to a lot of racers. Take the summer off and go...
RV doesn't owe anyone an apology or the "truth". He's not enjoying racing. It happens to a lot of racers. Take the summer off and go fishing or fix the knee. They're both good excuses. On behalf of RV.....Sorry feelings are hurt.
Guy B and the moto media don't owe RV any truth either then, right? They should just follow him around and throw him under the bus every opportunity they have? Anything that shows him in a bad light should be fair game too? No reason to report anything good when they could just trash him, right?

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see how that works. The media sucks up to these riders and do a lot to promote a good image for most all of the riders. A little respect goes a long ways.
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5/12/2014 6:34am Edited Date/Time 5/12/2014 6:39am
I posted on Lenny's bait n' hook thread about RV, and my post wasn't complimentary (I called RV a "liar")...so GuyB clicked it, and I'm ok with that.

My issue is that no other rider in my memory has basically told and untruth and then badmouthed a media venue that keeps his name in the public eye 24/7 like this one does...at least not in a large arena like a press conference. Good press or bad press...it's still press. In my mind anyway, RV should at least not bite the hand that feeds him. He should come clean with what he knows, and even if he can't...at least not be such an ass about the media that supports the sport.
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5/12/2014 6:52am
I think from hearing RV in an interview , that he probably doesnt get into the loyalty to the fans thing. He seems to believe that when he' s on top the fans love him but when he has a couple bad races they turn on him. So I don' t believe he feels he owes his fans total loyalty. Have to admit he seems to be an independent thinker.
5/12/2014 8:29am
RV doesn't owe anyone an apology or the "truth". He's not enjoying racing. It happens to a lot of racers. Take the summer off and go...
RV doesn't owe anyone an apology or the "truth". He's not enjoying racing. It happens to a lot of racers. Take the summer off and go fishing or fix the knee. They're both good excuses. On behalf of RV.....Sorry feelings are hurt.
newmann wrote:
Guy B and the moto media don't owe RV any truth either then, right? They should just follow him around and throw him under the bus...
Guy B and the moto media don't owe RV any truth either then, right? They should just follow him around and throw him under the bus every opportunity they have? Anything that shows him in a bad light should be fair game too? No reason to report anything good when they could just trash him, right?

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see how that works. The media sucks up to these riders and do a lot to promote a good image for most all of the riders. A little respect goes a long ways.
Newmann, what is it that the public wants to hear? Ryan Villopoto just wrapped up his fourth consecutive 450SX class championship. The depth of field in this class the past few years seemed like that wasn't a possibility. What do racers like RV, RC, Stewart, Reed, Dungey owe to race fans? I would love to see RV racing outdoors. I didn't want to see RC retire. Stewart opened up his house for the cameras and fans still bitched. Although he's made his mistakes there is no doubt in my mind that there isn't many racers with a bigger heart than Mike Alessi but we ridicule his effort. What in Fucks name do these racers owe us when we have bleacher bitches booing riders and then justify their cunt like behavior? If RV wants to relax and take off the summer to fish, fix his knee or shoot some tree stump sitting chipmunks with a 12 gauge then he owes it to himself for giving us a great SX season.
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5/12/2014 8:31am
Electro wrote:
I think from hearing RV in an interview , that he probably doesnt get into the loyalty to the fans thing. He seems to believe that...
I think from hearing RV in an interview , that he probably doesnt get into the loyalty to the fans thing. He seems to believe that when he' s on top the fans love him but when he has a couple bad races they turn on him. So I don' t believe he feels he owes his fans total loyalty. Have to admit he seems to be an independent thinker.
I think he gets it fine...I just don't think he cares. I've heard several people in the industry media say that RV is the least liked Champion this sport has seen in years. He certainly doesn't go out of his way to be anything closer than "distant" with the media and fans alike. Somebody said recently that the factory Kawasaki pits was the "no fun zone".

Stewart absolutely "gets it" however. He used to have more haters than anybody, but he finally decided to hook up with his fans via the internet and social media...and he has at least doubled his fanbase in the last couple of years. James may not really like to do it, but he knows that it's part of the job he signed up for as a professional athlete.
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5/12/2014 8:46am
Kawasaki might pay RV salary split over 12 month's. The total amount would be based on him contesting both SX and outdoor MX plus bonus's for championship wins I guess!
Do the manufacturers continue to pay a riders salary if injured? or as he's now not fulfilling his contract obligations with this injury repair, does he have to pay back some money as he's been "overpaid" pro rata?, or do the manufacturers have insurance that pays a rider's salary when injured.
Someone more in the know may answer and I'm not making any judgement on RV with his reasons not to contesting the outdoors.
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5/12/2014 8:57am
wired4speed wrote:

What do racers like RV, RC, Stewart, Reed, Dungey owe to race fans?


They owe the fans nothing. The fans owe them nothing. Its an idependent symbiotic relationship.
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5/12/2014 8:59am
Good thing RV is such a badass and a championship machine. Like RC, he'll probably just leave when he is done beating everyones ass. But guys like Windham, they get it. They had to, because although they were right there, that championship always eluded them. RV is a champ and all, but Windham is a fan favorite with style for miles. No doubt, he extended his career and made a shit ton of money without winning a championship because of his personality.
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5/12/2014 9:08am
I for one, have to agree with "Uncleof2", RV simply doesn't get the love he deserves here on Vital.

I also see no reason to disbelieve his utterances. So I'm looking forward to his turning up to race in G.P.s before to long........

I'm also still waiting to receive my big money prize from Reader's Digest.
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5/12/2014 9:39am
While I am not a Villopoto fan I have always respected his ability to go fast. He is a great racer but no longer has my respect. When he lies to journalists and his fans he treads on thin ice. Respect is not a one way street. I hope that he figures this out and lets his career end on the positive note it should. Lying to GuyB is a moronic thing to do. GuyB, Matthes, and others have helped RV's image tremendously over the years. Were I a journalist there would be no way I could trust Villopoto in the future.
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5/12/2014 10:51am
Electro wrote:
I think from hearing RV in an interview , that he probably doesnt get into the loyalty to the fans thing. He seems to believe that...
I think from hearing RV in an interview , that he probably doesnt get into the loyalty to the fans thing. He seems to believe that when he' s on top the fans love him but when he has a couple bad races they turn on him. So I don' t believe he feels he owes his fans total loyalty. Have to admit he seems to be an independent thinker.
davistld01 wrote:
I think he gets it fine...I just don't think he cares. I've heard several people in the industry media say that RV is the least liked...
I think he gets it fine...I just don't think he cares. I've heard several people in the industry media say that RV is the least liked Champion this sport has seen in years. He certainly doesn't go out of his way to be anything closer than "distant" with the media and fans alike. Somebody said recently that the factory Kawasaki pits was the "no fun zone".

Stewart absolutely "gets it" however. He used to have more haters than anybody, but he finally decided to hook up with his fans via the internet and social media...and he has at least doubled his fanbase in the last couple of years. James may not really like to do it, but he knows that it's part of the job he signed up for as a professional athlete.
Some are ambassadors to the sport and others are just fast motorcycle riders. With his skill level it, allows him to be who he wants to be and still get paid. Respect his skills, but he is definitely far from my fav riders.
5/12/2014 11:20am
"The .02 penny thread. He thought it would be ok early on. People that don’t know him and choose not to be a fan are not going to respect him even if he walks on water. He doesn’t care either.
Have nice day. "...............


They killed Jesus for walking on water....It's a rough crowd
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5/13/2014 2:27am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2014 2:29am
Well with out fans the sport wouldn't survive no sport would. Fans make a sport what it is not just the people in it. Imagine 10 spectators at all the SX rounds. Win bonus would be $10 then. Zero fans equals zero pay zero glorie

End of the day he can do what he pleases but fuck mate we support you in so many ways.

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