CR22 not 100% for GH & bigger question for the sport

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Edited Date/Time 4/26/2014 7:53am
I just read what I had feared all along: Reed might not be racing at GH due to his SX injuries still mending.

Please know I am a Chad Reed fan and have been since he joined YoT (2003 I believe) but admittedly wavered a bit when his attitude went off track but for the last several years I've been back on the bandwagon. I learned over the years to NEVER count Chad out but I would be lying if I said I thought he would get two wins this year. I would have been impressed just getting on the box regularly but am beyond impressed with Chad's performance. The guy is a legend end of story in my mind.

However I am beyond disappointed that Chad let his heart over ride his brain and tried to race after getting injured. I am aware it is his team his decision and he doesn't owe me or anyone jack squat but IMHO there was nothing to gain and everything to lose (like a shot at the National title) by racing that next weekend. There was no way he had a snowball's chance in the warm place of finishing the series. I mean seriously did anyone think he'd finish out the series?

As a fan I wanted him to get fixed and be ready for GH. I'm ready for a barn burner outdoor series and want as many guys battling as possible. Whenever Chad does line up I will be cheering him on 1000 percent but man I wish he wouldn't have kept racing SX.

QUESTION: Given the extent of Chad's injuries how much does his being allowed to race say about our sport? Do we owe it to the racers to keep them from making bad decisions that affect their health, their careers as well as possibly the safety of those around them?

Now that this has played out my vote would be in addition to the baseline concussion testing riders have to go through before being allowed to race after a big crash there is a basic range of movement as well as weight lifting exercises racers have to demonstrate before being allowed to race.

What's your vote? Not sure how other motorsports do this but I remember Dale Earnhardt racing Watkins Glen or Sears Point with a freaking broken sternum but nothing is a taxing as SX/MX.
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4/25/2014 12:18pm
As long as the rider has adequate information, I am generally in favor of personal discretion. However, the situation becomes blurry when a rider experiences a head injury and may lack the capacity to make an informed decision.

On these facts specifically, I have no problem with Chad giving it a go.
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4/25/2014 12:21pm
What if he goes down on that shoulder again?...
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4/25/2014 12:27pm
I don't recall Chad Reed jeopardizing "the safety of those around" him when he rode practice at Dallas.

I'm confident that Doc Bodnar can navigate the issue directly with the racers.
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4/25/2014 12:29pm
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and going racing. Chad's a big boy, knows what it takes, and what he's capable of.

Unless there's a brain injury involved that would affect judgement, i'm okay with his decision.

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4/25/2014 12:31pm
It is my opinion that if The Rock were in charge of MX/SX the rule book would be thicker than the U.S. Tax Code.
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4/25/2014 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2014 12:45pm
Wow! You must work in government? Politics? Trying to save us... from ourselves!

Don't think I get that quote in your signature line. You were either really drunk when you picked it... or really drunk when you posted your nonsense... (either that, or you just enjoy contradicting yourself... never really sure of what you really want)
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4/25/2014 12:49pm
What do they say in pro sports? "You're never 100% healthy"?
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4/25/2014 12:52pm
GuyB wrote:
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and...
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and going racing. Chad's a big boy, knows what it takes, and what he's capable of.

Unless there's a brain injury involved that would affect judgement, i'm okay with his decision.
Dave Aldana soaked off his cast I think or was it Mert Lawrill? I also remember the shot of John Haney crashing and it showed how much his femur flexed without breaking.

GraoeApe Good one. Actually it wouldn't be much thicker to include mandatory upper body and spinal protection as in chest protectors not neck braces.I'm only putting this medical clearance thing out there for debate and currently have no plans to be on any rules committees.

To be clear I'm was mainly speaking as a fan when I said I wished CR22 would have parked it...not being critical just being a fanboy that wants Chad to be battling at GH.
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4/25/2014 12:54pm
GuyB wrote:
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and...
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and going racing. Chad's a big boy, knows what it takes, and what he's capable of.

Unless there's a brain injury involved that would affect judgement, i'm okay with his decision.
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Dave Aldana soaked off his cast I think or was it Mert Lawrill? I also remember the shot of John Haney crashing and it showed how...
Dave Aldana soaked off his cast I think or was it Mert Lawrill? I also remember the shot of John Haney crashing and it showed how much his femur flexed without breaking.

GraoeApe Good one. Actually it wouldn't be much thicker to include mandatory upper body and spinal protection as in chest protectors not neck braces.I'm only putting this medical clearance thing out there for debate and currently have no plans to be on any rules committees.

To be clear I'm was mainly speaking as a fan when I said I wished CR22 would have parked it...not being critical just being a fanboy that wants Chad to be battling at GH.
I think Chad felt he had a much better shot at winning this Supercross championship as opposed to the coming outdoor title. Even if he had a crystal ball that told him RV might, or might not, be racing outside, he still had a more legitimate shot at winning in the stadiums. That was his priority.
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4/25/2014 12:59pm
He's not kid anymore. Not much time left to race..
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4/25/2014 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2014 6:34pm
98cr250r wrote:
Wow! You must work in government? Politics? Trying to save us... from ourselves! Don't think I get that quote in your signature line. You were either...
Wow! You must work in government? Politics? Trying to save us... from ourselves!

Don't think I get that quote in your signature line. You were either really drunk when you picked it... or really drunk when you posted your nonsense... (either that, or you just enjoy contradicting yourself... never really sure of what you really want)
"My philosophy is to have a really good time and never to let anything stop me from doing what I want to do."


For me it speaks to following your dream and not letting anything stop you. Interesting that these same words apply to Chad Reed as well in view of his unbelievable determination he demonstrated trying to race the next weekend.

Regarding your opening line it never ceases to amaze me how some people freak out over putting ideas out there for discussion. Hope we never get to the place where ideas for discussion are viewed as threatening in the real world. When I don't have the answer or am not sure about something I like getting outside input and opinions and I am just curious what others think. The downside is occasionally I know what being out in left field looks like.

BTW I was sober as judge when I picked that Michel Petrucciani quote. Michel was born with brittle bone disease and he was about three feet tall but one of the world's best if not the best jazz pianist to ever walk the earth. He unfortunately died at 36 due to health issues related to his condition. Think pneumonia was the cause but it was the last of a series of health challenges. Click on the link when you have time....think he starts to improvise at the 2 minute mark and it is a thing of beauty. I saw him play three times in LA in the 90s and once I was within ten feet of him playing having dinner with a friend with direct eye contact but I digress. Get me thinking about Michel's music and I get side tracked. There are beaucoup videos of him on YouTube as well.
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4/25/2014 4:30pm
Good grief.
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4/25/2014 4:38pm
I guess my question would be -- do we actually know if him trying to ride the week after the injury really set his recovery back? It looks to me like the damage was done in the initial crash, he pulled out pretty quickly when he tried to ride the week after.

The video interview I saw with him and Weigandt sounded pretty optomistic about him being back in time. I just looked for it and it is no longer up there... weird. Not to go too far off topic, but if the RV rumors are true, this thing should be wide open between Stewart, Dungey, Reed and Canard. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and it should all be a pretty even fight.
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4/25/2014 5:14pm
JW381 wrote:
What do they say in pro sports? "You're never 100% healthy"?
No all Pro sports, but moto for sure.
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4/25/2014 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2014 6:43pm
Good grief.
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Et tu Lenny? Et tu? Cool

mark_swart-Excellent point regarding we don't know for sure if riding an additional week made it worse or not. One thing's for sure though I don't see how it could have helped any either. Again this medical clearance topic is a general question and not specific to Reed. Unfortunately we'll have other instances where riders are pushing the envelope to keep racing while injured and I would prefer for the racers' long-term health to be the number one priority and not winning a championship as unpopular as that position is.
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I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all it takes is commonsense. Often I think "someone in an office actually gets paid full time to think this shit up to slow down my day"

I've finally found one of these people that fits that image in my head.
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4/25/2014 7:07pm
I think in the event of concussions it is a good idea to mandate it. As for broken bones and ohter injuries, it's a tougher call. Like the GP guy trying to race the other year with a missing ligament in his knee?!!?
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tobz wrote:
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all...
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all it takes is commonsense. Often I think "someone in an office actually gets paid full time to think this shit up to slow down my day"

I've finally found one of these people that fits that image in my head.
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4/25/2014 7:39pm
GuyB wrote:
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and...
Nothing new here. Go all the way back to On Any Sunday. How badass did we think it was that guys were cutting off casts and going racing. Chad's a big boy, knows what it takes, and what he's capable of.

Unless there's a brain injury involved that would affect judgement, i'm okay with his decision.
Right! And racing with a broken back.
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tobz wrote:
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all...
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all it takes is commonsense. Often I think "someone in an office actually gets paid full time to think this shit up to slow down my day"

I've finally found one of these people that fits that image in my head.
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4/25/2014 10:30pm
Darryl Schultz and Ryan Hughes both raced with broken legs. A lot of these top guys know very well what their pain threshold is and if they can overcome it. I think if anyone on that gate has an idea of what they can put their own body through....it would be Chad.

With that being said.....I just hope he gets back out there when he's damn well ready.....and not before.
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Common Rock these guys are big boys, its their body, and they know if they can take the pain or not, obviously in Chad's case he knew he wasn't physically up to the task. head injuries are a different story though , then they have to be cleared by doc (unless championship is on the line) .... Talking about outdoors Reedys got to be thinking back 2012 WHAT IF scenarios if RV is out ... but man its going to take a few rounds to get back up to race pace ... I reckon by then Stwey is going to have a nice amount of 1-1's racked up .. and if he can stay consistence Dungey or Reed with have nothintg to say about it ! Tomac, Barcia , Roczen, Canard, and Millsaps might have a thing to say here and there but what Ive seen the last couple years is Soupy pretty much carries on to the outdoors
What you guys think ? How has the biggest chance to give Stew Fits ?
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4/26/2014 12:23am
Chad's situation a bit different to other teams, because he is the team owner and only rider then that makes his decision perhaps a lot tougher, I am sure he will be back next year, will it be to late for another title, yes I think so but he will give it his all
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tobz wrote:
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all...
I often get slowed down at work by ridiculous procedures, red tape, and pre task risk assessments when trying to do my job, when really all it takes is commonsense. Often I think "someone in an office actually gets paid full time to think this shit up to slow down my day"

I've finally found one of these people that fits that image in my head.
Oh hell yeah its true. There are plenty of clueless folks making rules and regulations that don't have a damn idea and never have done the job before.

I work in heavy industry, and safety is important. But every year we get some goofy ass "to do" book that has safety oriented goals, when you meet a goal you get a hard hat sticker! yeah! When is the milk and cookies break?! So these motherfuckers you see walking around with all the stickers and shit on their hard hat are the ones that are clean and not doing any real work.
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4/26/2014 7:18am
I wonder if our backgrounds determine our view. I am a blue collar guy and can respect what Chad did. Of course I probably could go out on disability how banged up I am from two decades of abusing my body at work,yet I still wake at 5am to feed the family.
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4/26/2014 7:53am
If one person knows what he is doing and the best plan CR is that person.

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