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Since I posted the topic I was reading everything as if it was directed toward me. My bad!
Class was they see their results in the class with the names of riders that are well known and they don't even think twice about the person because when they were with this guy, or those 3 guys, or so and so, they didn't stand up like they did in the class they excelled in.
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I can't believe you said, "There is fast A riders all over this country that will run with the top B kids..."
No shit they can run with them... they should be faster! They are in the next class up!
Let's take a 15 year old KID who just moved up from 85's........he has tons of raw speed, but maybe not the size and experience to ride a 250F. (40 hp and 225 lbs) Maybe the kid weighs 125 lbs. ( I think he should at least be entitled a year in B class.
I know I know, Ron Lechien won a 250 SX at 16.......jesus. .......and for you assholes who bag on Davalos Alessi or whoever else, you probably sandbag your own life everyday. Putting stuff off, not having any goals, and letting life pass you by. It's real easy to say, "just bust your ass and get better."
When was the last time most of you ran 5 miles? Seriously. Internet tough guys are the best.
It doesn't bother me at all. It's a " Pro class ! ". Some guys stay in the class because they aren't big enough or strong enough to ride a 450 at race speed. It's entirely different ball game on the 450's ( look at Dean Wilson this past weekend ). And he's one of the bigger kids out there. Little dudes like Baggett , MD31 , Blake wharton , ect......they may very well be LIFE TIME lites riders.
There shouldn't be anything wrong with that. So what if it doesn't seem fair for the new up and coming kids that are turning pro........PRO is PRO no matter what class you race. Those guys I mentioned may very well just stop racing all together if they can't ride a 450.
If you're big enough or strong enough to hold on to a 450 for a full race....then great. But if you're a smaller dude in stature ......why should you have to quit your job , your way of making money ?
To the new kids stepping up to the pro class......come in swinging and bring it! It's the pro class.....there is no easy road here. And there is NO SAND BAGGING in the pro classes!
Plus, how do you sandbag a pro class? Is there an extra pro pro class?
.....but anyway, I thought the basis of the thread was about top B riders being faster than A riders.
He was in the Pro class within two years, winning 125 SX races within three. But when he showed up in 1987, he was truly a Novice-level C-class rider…. with game-changing potential.
We do our best to keep sand-baggers out of every class, and we have done it since 1982. The internet and the new national advancement system in place by the AMA makes it much harder to hide out in a lower class.
And the rider implied as a sandbagger in the original post here is not a sand-bagger, and neither was Jeremy McGrath, according to the rules they raced under.
DC
MX Sports
We lived in the bush about 2600 klms north of Perth, and no riders ever got graded locally but MWA did grade riders at the State titles.
Manjimup is a pretty big race meet over here and we got asked to race, but $$ etc and the biggest thing was we were never going to travel 3k to race and 3 k back only racing in our classes which are given to you when you join MA as the lowest.
So they said it was alright as you can race up but not step back. So we packed up and drove, found out we needed different coloured backgrounds etc, so grabbed a few cans of paint and made coplete mess of our old bikes. Our D class rider won the A &B at his first go and other lad was winning his races till he did a rubber neck and fell still got 3rd overall.
Went to Nats that year and then to KTM Cup on Gold Coast another 5k we raced up again and the lady said but we have trophies, we wanted to race the best and that was Tye on the 85 and Mr Bloomfield on the 65
That night drove up to Brisbane and watched Super X and left and arrived at Coolum Beach track at 2am. Raced there that day and had Sick Mick Cook sign the truck good days racing But poor Jacob was sufferring from travel etc and bike issues etc. Most club members thanked us for calling in and racing and they were wrapt someone could beat Jacob who had never been beaten on his own track. It was our first visit to the track. Made the 5/6k drive home easier.
I always felt riders get better racing better class riders and turn into sooks if it is only win win attitude, but each to their own.
My biggest bitch is when Daddy or Uncle drops the gates and little freddie gets his special gate pick each time. And way too many gutless Officials and Greedy fukin Promoters, money 1st Racers last.
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We do our best to keep sand-baggers out of every class, and we have done it since 1982. The internet and the new national advancement system in place by the AMA makes it much harder to hide out in a lower class
How about Cozzadd? really Man......plain and simple BS.
I would start with;
1.You can not get a pro license until after you race a full season in an AMA/FIM A Class
2. Eliminate C Class championships. You should have been in B Class at least.
3. If you place in Top 5 at National Event , LL, Mini O's, etc you are advanced. (Minis not included)
4. Race any Money Moto you must be an A rider
5. Two Seasons in a Big Bike C Class and you are advanced
6. If you are caught pulling off or DNFing just so you do not get advanced, you get advanced.
As for squid-mom's complaint that whoever this kid is has "top five LL speed" but doesn't actually have a top-five LL finish in the B class, I am not sure what MX Sports or the AMA can do so long as he is rated "B" in his district and does not have the advancement points.
Everyone has an idea or opinion of how it can be done, but it's not always easy -- especially when different areas and different events have their own class structure, advancement, etc. The AMA is trying to get a grasp on it, but there's only so much that you can do when a kid only races a few times a year in recognized races and doesn't have the points or finishes...
DC
MX Sports
Quote from someone:
"The ex pro riders are shinning in that class as well. J. Blain & D. Brewer and both ex pros in the B/C class. What a crock!
It comes down to character and self respect. "
Good stuff right there.
Period.
So smart guy, ever heard of Keith Turpin??? Well if not, he was the 1986 Supercross East Champion, 1987 Supercross East runner up and former factory rider for Honda and Suzuki and he got the same Re-classification as I did. As a matter of fact, he told me to get the re-classification.
Thanks for the label of internet tough guy as well!
I will never understand the ex Pro and A guys complaining about RC, Emig, Reynard or any factory guy coming back and racing the Vet classes but yet have no issue with dropping themselves down to B. Am I the only guy that see's the unbelievable irony in this?
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