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Good on feld for their business success.
But lets get one thing straight: Supercross is not Disney on ice. If you do not nurture the talent it will one day disappear.
you can spot a privateer usually you see them pitting out of a cargo van or pick up truck.
also you can write their sponsors and tell them, hey i am a fan i went up and talk to this rider he was down to earth a cool person. also that person sold me on your product.
I had this happen to me in another form of racing. I got sponsored by companies, because I raced at local tracks around my area people liked me and i was moving product. I would show up to big races, and top racers were like who is this guy. I didn't win any big races, but i walked and talked to everybody.
perfect is the rider that got his sponsor off craigslist, he was nice enough and aproachable enough someone with money said hey Im take a chance on this guy. in returned they sponsor got their name mention on live tv.
do this instead of hanging out at the fence of a rider that wont even pay you any attention.
do this and Manufactures will start paying attention to the struggle privateers and will throw a couple bucks their way on the side. There is enough of the pie to go around. its about who is moving product bottom line. who moves the most wins don't believe me look at dale Jr. he has made more than the driver that actually won the race.
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"who moves the most wins don't believe me look at dale Jr. he has made more than the driver that actually won the race."
Dale Jr. is very successful due to his father's fame and legacy. Danica Patrick is another similar deal like Dale Jr. She get's paid a lot by sponsors because she's hot and she's a chick racing nascar. Not because she wins races. You're idea will not translate over to SX. Thanks for trying though.
I have no business degree, and hardly any college education, but I am a liberal SOB with experience working for Feld and other touring/event companies. I also agree with JonesAustin that making your money on the backs of some of the planets most majestic creatures is just heartless.
Feld- Mostly independent contracted employees, regularly cutting salaries and a general increase in fear for your job even in times of growth. In my situation, no insurance benefits. Regularly asked to increase workload.
My current employer- I would say is as successful as Feld, producing some of the largest well known shows in the world...Hired as an employee, medical and dental insurance, annual pay raises, bonuses, supplemental pay for extra work, full health/physio staff always available at no charge.
Feld bought Clear Channel or Live Nation, whatever the heck it was as a motorsports package. Monster Jam is always a success and SX was growing. That doesn't seem like a risk at all. It's buying a proven entity and keeping costs low, while it grows. I guess thats the conservative American business model, but eventually you have to give something back to the people that make it a success or like someone said above, it will go away...eventually.
It just hasn't gotten bad enough for many of the riders to stop showing up. I believe it's because many of these kids just think it's cool to say they are pro MXers, while mom and dad foot the bill. It's more of an image thing to be out on the track. You don't see that stuff in stick and ball sports. Many of those kids come from poor families so if junior isn't making money on the Dallas Cowboys practice squad, he will be working at McDonalds.
You take a chance, work your ass off, and keep as much for yourself as you can.
Unlike the medical or legal profession, which keep many out of the game with laws that prohibit
practicing until it's okay'd by some board they set up, a Circus or Supercross event is fair game for anyone.
Fact is, the guys at the top figured it out, and executed a game plan that worked.
Why should they share the wealth?
Nobody, and I'll say it again, nobody, will send a check to Feld if for some reason attendance tanks at 4 event's and they lose their ass that year.
Why then should they send a check to anyone when they hit it big?
Yes free country, Feld has the right to run their circus business any way they want (within the law) and what I am saying is the riders and teams have a right and should find a better alternative to the crappy way Feld compensates them that's all. I am not saying Feld should be forced to do anything I am saying those who make Feld their money and risk their lives should find a better way to do it.
If you have a crappy boss find a different job or get some of your other coworkers together and start your own business. No difference here, that's freedom everybody has it not just the parasites.
The riders have a choice, and they just choose to take what they get. It's up to them. They must like what they are getting because they aren't doing a darn thing about it. Why do we, as fans, keep bringing this up, when the riders don't seem to care?
Because we have a passion for the sport and know it could be so much better. Good point though, we can't care for them.
Feld owns Disney on Ice, everyone is employed by Feld, so Feld dictates how everything is scripted and runs
Feld owns Barnum Bailey Circus, everyone is employed by Feld, so Feld dictates how everything is scripted and runs
Feld owns Monster Jam, everyone is employed by Feld, so Feld dictates how everything is scripted and the outcome
Feld owns Supercross, NONE of the "racers" are employed by Feld and Feld does NOT dictate a script or the outcome
The day you turn racers into paid employees of Feld, they are no longer "racers" but then "performers," no different than Monster Jam where outcome is predetermined and scripted.
Be careful what you wish for
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and where are they going to hold these races? Because every venue they presently race in has an exclusive contract with Feld to be the sole promoter of "dirt based events"
Was nothing learned from the Jam Sports fiasco?
Who's going to sanction this series? The AMA is the US representative of the international motorcycling federation (FIM), and you think the OEM's are just gonna be all cool with racing the "Jim Bob Association os Supercross Series" that has no international or official recognition?
Go do the research on the Jam Sports fiasco, and tell me how "easy" that went
Seems they have far more knowledge in how to do it than a rag tag bunch of underfunded teams, riders and OEM's, each with their own personal goal and agendas.
Maybe, for once, you realize that you really have no idea what you're talking about, how this works and you're throwing shit just to throw shit.
Everyone else sees you doing it.
Just say "I don't know, I just know I don't like how it is now" and leave it at that
This same discussion comes up every so often. There's not as much money (hard cash) to throw around as many of you think. Feld owns a LOT of properties, not just the circus and SX. As long as he can get all of them to be decently profitable and they are throwing off a decent ROI (10-20% NROI is a GREAT return these days), it's not hard to get the net worth math to add up to a $1B balance sheet. That doesn't mean he has $1B in the bank or could even get $1B in a loan or as a sale price.
I don't know everything about this stuff but here is what I know for sure:
Feld is a company built on the foundation of exploitation and animal cruelty.
Most who race in their events don't make squat.
The only reason you say it couldn't work is because Feld has an iron grip on everything, not that they are good for the sport but a "you can't cross the man mentality".
Feld offers no value other than they are in control.
Giants are meant to be slain.
The owner of Feld is a billionaire and as you said the teams can barely afford to make a go of things.
It is very possible for riders to organize and for teams to do the same.
It is very possible to have a completely separate series (we see one every summer)
So to sum it up, Feld is a parasite that is in control of Supercross to the detriment of the participants, fans and the sport in general. An attainable alternative is to transfer the control and profits from an entity that is unnecessary to the participants who make it all possible. We know these things Yet you say NAY!
And Maybe, for once, you realize that you are merely a sycophant who really has no more idea what you're talking about than I, how this works and you're throwing shit just to throw shit.
Everyone else sees it
and I will say what I want to say not what you want me to say, thanks
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Some people have a half bill sitting in the bank, while the people that made it for them can't afford decent food, health insurance, or braces for their kids... Being rich is cool, fine and American... Being richer than you need to be while your employees suffer just isn't right, nor hornorable....
but have done nothing.
Or been even remotely associated with any entity that has.
Feld does not own all the rights to every stadium, I'm sure.
But who's got the capabilities to line up and fund any of the ones that are free?
You or anyone you know?
As far as the animal thing, Wal Mart and any pet store does the same thing.
Same with Rodeos. And carriage ride operators in any big city. The list goes on and on.
And if you're pissed because they don't pay squat, see where most of the Apple computer stuff is made, and how
much the top tier management takes vs the people that build them.
Same with the Olympics. And Verizon. And Goodwill. And the Red Cross. This list goes on and on.
But Feld is supposed to.
As far as offering nothing but control, dead wrong. Feld has the experience, the contacts, the money, the goodwill, all these things carry great value.
Same with the AMA and FIM. A century, 100 years, of titles and history. It's the yardstick the greats measure themselves
against. Like EIDave says, who care who won the "Joe Bob" Championship? I would take decades to even start
building a reputation the AMA/FIM have.
As far a getting the different riders and teams together, that it's doable, it's been tried and failed.
Unless you can guarantee something better, why would they rock the boat?
Ever hear a bird in hand is worth 3 in the bush?
They are not going to take the chance on some unproven pipe dream, you wouldn't either.
Hey, dreaming on how it should and could be is nice, but slaying giants ain't easy.
That's reality.
When the Jam Sports mess went on, CCE (now Feld), entered into long term contracts with all of their existing and used stadiums as the exclusive "dirt event promoter," in order to cover their ass and lock out any SX as well as AX and Monster Truck competition in that venue. They dropped PR's, like almost daily, announcing the long term agreement with this stadium and that stadium. It literally got to the point where it looked as if the only place the AMA/JAM Series would be able to hold a race, would be college stadiums and/or Wal-Mart parking lots. It's a large part of what killed their attempt, lack of venues in large markets.
My understanding, Feld has maintained that in their contracts with the stadiums they use, even if Monster Truck only and no SX, they maintain the "dirt event" rights.
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