Neck braces... Your opinion

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hvaughn88 10/26/2013 9:59am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
I'll go with nature on this one, the neck is supposed to hyperextend. I think those damn things hurt more people than they "save." But if...
I'll go with nature on this one, the neck is supposed to hyperextend. I think those damn things hurt more people than they "save."

But if you read transworld; it's like neck braces were handed down to humanity from Christ himself.

It's all about what makes you feel better. If you think you're safer with it on, if you think your kid is safer with so much protective gear it hinders his normal range of motion then so be it. I survived 50cc motocross with standard gear. Shoei Helmet, oneal gear, fox boots and flimsy fox chest protector...so for me I feel safer with less rigged to my body.

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Your statement is not accurate. Yes the neck is supposed to extend, but only to a point. Hence the term "hyper". Why do you think NASCAR...
Your statement is not accurate.
Yes the neck is supposed to extend, but only to a point. Hence the term "hyper".
Why do you think NASCAR drivers wear the HANS device. They limit the extension same as a neck brace.
But if someone chooses not to wear one, I get it. All I know is I'm sold on them.
By your logic we shouldn't wear knee braces either, because the knee is supposed to hyper extend.


A couple years ago I swapped out and high sided at speed. Did a major face plant. My helmet came down on my nose so hard it cut the bridge of my nose. My head extended back so much the Leatt left a bruise in the middle of my back.
I'm convinced it saved my ass.
I'm 56 and been riding mx for a long time. Wouldn't ride without one now.

But hey, that's just my opinion
Haha damn you beat me to the knee brace argument!
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Indy mxer 10/26/2013 10:11am
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JM485 wrote:
Please tell me some of you are kidding about these braces doing more harm than good? How many cases have there been where these braces have...
Please tell me some of you are kidding about these braces doing more harm than good? How many cases have there been where these braces have hurt someone, and how many have there been where they have saved a life or prevented paralysis? I can guarantee anyone who broke their neck without one on probably wishes that they had given them a try (yes, I know they are relatively new so I am talking about within the last few years). It is sort of like wearing a helmet, they won't protect against every situation, but 9/10 times they will help. Stearing someone away from them because of some fluke incident is pretty irresponsible if you ask me. Leatt has done extensive testing (look it up in Dirtrider) and I honestly believe in their product, why peopl try to make them out as liars is beyond me. I never ride without mine and I'm sure someone will ream me for this post, but I had to put it out there. Whatever you choose, just be prepared to accept the possible outcomes..
Great post!! I agree 100%
Now If you don't want to wear one, fine. That's your choice for sure.
But to come on here and say it increases the risk of injury is absurd, and flies in face of logic. Yeah someone can and on occasion will, get hurt wearing one. Nobody says the are 100% effective.
Same goes with helmets. Unfortunately every so often riders die due to head injuries, even though they were wearing a helmet.
And I don't see anyone on here advocating we stop wearing them.
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Indy mxer 10/26/2013 10:16am
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So here is my question: to the guys who say they don't wear one simply because its uncomfortable, do you wear boots, helmet, chest pro, etc...
So here is my question: to the guys who say they don't wear one simply because its uncomfortable, do you wear boots, helmet, chest pro, etc? I would argue when I sit on my bike in tennis shoes, gym shorts, t shirt and a hat that I'm way more comfortable then when I'm all geared up. But would I go ride like that-nope. Those items aren't meant to be primarily comfortable. If they can be, great. But that's an afterthought. And on the issue of the body supposed to be having some hyperextention, that's true, but only to a certain degree. I don't think the body is supposed to experience the hyperextention associated with crashing a motocross bike at "5th gear pinned." If that was your only argument, then once again, don't wear boots or knee braces either. I think there are plenty of instances where those items have probably caused some broken legs, too but no one makes a stink about that (probably because the pros don't make a stink about it).

To me, it just seems like a bunch of guys have seen their favorite rider stop wearing them so they think its en vogue to do the same. Maybe not, but that's how it comes across and then the guys try to stand on these lame duck excuses to make it seem like they have better reasons. Look, if a pro making a living racing thinks it slows him down and wants to risk not wearing one, I can respect that. But if your local guy that's paying to go race on the weekends doesn't wear one because it might slow him down and he won't win his moto at the local track, that just seems a little foolish. But once again, to each his own.
Well said!! I like the part about gym shorts and tennis shoes. lol
Btw, I don't get the comfort thing. When I'm riding I don't even notice it.
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The HANS device is nothing like a neck brace, its designed to restrain the head in the event of a high G-force impact , which it does admirably, in a race car you cant have a rearward hyperextension because the seat does not allow it , and the HANS isnt designed with that in mind, its got permanent restraints that fix the drivers head to the brace , which is in turm held in place by the harness. Seats are also desinged with head restraints in the sides too so the only way your head can go un-restrained is forward.

A neck brace that stops the head rotating , will not be of benefit because that energy has to go somewhere, and it seems to go into the vertebra at the base of the brace, or it has the effect of trying to lever that load against whatever it can.

The only way you can know is to ban them for a year .. and then do the research. Thats not going to happen.

And as for the modern bikes giving you more chance to hurt yourself.. i dont buy that at all , tracks were rougher and the bikes were worse, places never got graded from year to the next, and 10 times the riders.. folk used to crash and crash hard , but they got up , most of the time

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Sloaner104 10/26/2013 10:45am
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philG wrote:
The HANS device is nothing like a neck brace, its designed to restrain the head in the event of a high G-force impact , which it...
The HANS device is nothing like a neck brace, its designed to restrain the head in the event of a high G-force impact , which it does admirably, in a race car you cant have a rearward hyperextension because the seat does not allow it , and the HANS isnt designed with that in mind, its got permanent restraints that fix the drivers head to the brace , which is in turm held in place by the harness. Seats are also desinged with head restraints in the sides too so the only way your head can go un-restrained is forward.

A neck brace that stops the head rotating , will not be of benefit because that energy has to go somewhere, and it seems to go into the vertebra at the base of the brace, or it has the effect of trying to lever that load against whatever it can.

The only way you can know is to ban them for a year .. and then do the research. Thats not going to happen.

And as for the modern bikes giving you more chance to hurt yourself.. i dont buy that at all , tracks were rougher and the bikes were worse, places never got graded from year to the next, and 10 times the riders.. folk used to crash and crash hard , but they got up , most of the time
Well said Phil about the force of impact having to go somewhere and about the bikes of today crashes are crashes I'm not against the neck brace at al my main concern is the safety of riders so I'll be glued to this thread for awhile Ty for all that give input
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Indy mxer 10/26/2013 11:02am
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philG wrote:
The HANS device is nothing like a neck brace, its designed to restrain the head in the event of a high G-force impact , which it...
The HANS device is nothing like a neck brace, its designed to restrain the head in the event of a high G-force impact , which it does admirably, in a race car you cant have a rearward hyperextension because the seat does not allow it , and the HANS isnt designed with that in mind, its got permanent restraints that fix the drivers head to the brace , which is in turm held in place by the harness. Seats are also desinged with head restraints in the sides too so the only way your head can go un-restrained is forward.

A neck brace that stops the head rotating , will not be of benefit because that energy has to go somewhere, and it seems to go into the vertebra at the base of the brace, or it has the effect of trying to lever that load against whatever it can.

The only way you can know is to ban them for a year .. and then do the research. Thats not going to happen.

And as for the modern bikes giving you more chance to hurt yourself.. i dont buy that at all , tracks were rougher and the bikes were worse, places never got graded from year to the next, and 10 times the riders.. folk used to crash and crash hard , but they got up , most of the time
A neck brace stops forward hyper extension as well.
Bottom line is, too much extension is a bad thing either way and the neck brace limits that. You're right the energy has to go somewhere. So I'll take it where the brace transfers it.

Btw, many permanent spinal injuries come from lawn darting into the ground and compressing the spine. That's another way the neck brace helps. It transfers energy to the shoulders. For me, if it means a broken collarbone, I'll take that over getting paralyzed.
But that said, we all know they aren't 100% effective. Nothing is.
I've been wearing one since the first Leatt came out and will continue to wear one.
And even though my kids are all grown, if I had a young kid racing today they wouldn't get on the bike without one.

For me, it's just another way to reduce risks of riding and racing mx.
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TeamGreen 10/26/2013 11:38am
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Bronson905 wrote:
I love Leatt's, and all of their testing and info makes me believe a Leatt is better than any other brace out there. With that said...
I love Leatt's, and all of their testing and info makes me believe a Leatt is better than any other brace out there. With that said, I won't ride without one!
Bingo.

Going on 6 years.

I use their Enduro Jackets and Hydro-Gear, too.
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Bret 10/26/2013 11:51am
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Consumer testimony can't be used as proof that a neck device prevented injury or saved a life. I could just as easily claim that since I was wearing my lucky socks in every crash and was never injured, the socks prevented my injuries. Without some sort of acquired data from the crash to back up the claim, it is speculation at best.

I was under the impression that compression injury is the most common and damaging injury to the spine. A neck brace will not protect against this sort of impact. Looking at the design of the product, it appears to be able to handle hyper-extension prevention quite well.

In the end, it really is a choice that boils down to what makes the rider more comfortable. I am one of the few guys at the track that wears a kidney belt and a chest protector. They may or may not serve any useful purpose but I feel funny riding without them. As for neck devices and knee braces, I don't wear either one by choice. My decision is based on conversations with medical professionals, articles I have read, and by evaluating the products myself. While there may be certain types of crashes and impacts that these devices do exactly what they are intended to do, there are limits. In my opinion, these devices have a narrow range of protective capability. I also feel that they can introduce injury that can be equal to or worse than the one they were designed to protect against. I think I would rather have my joints and ligaments flex than concentrate the forces of the impact to another location. While you may or may not agree, this is my decision and I am completely comfortable with it. Your mileage may vary. Bret
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Bret 10/26/2013 11:57am
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Indy mxer wrote:
A neck brace stops forward hyper extension as well. Bottom line is, too much extension is a bad thing either way and the neck brace limits...
A neck brace stops forward hyper extension as well.
Bottom line is, too much extension is a bad thing either way and the neck brace limits that. You're right the energy has to go somewhere. So I'll take it where the brace transfers it.

Btw, many permanent spinal injuries come from lawn darting into the ground and compressing the spine. That's another way the neck brace helps. It transfers energy to the shoulders. For me, if it means a broken collarbone, I'll take that over getting paralyzed.
But that said, we all know they aren't 100% effective. Nothing is.
I've been wearing one since the first Leatt came out and will continue to wear one.
And even though my kids are all grown, if I had a young kid racing today they wouldn't get on the bike without one.

For me, it's just another way to reduce risks of riding and racing mx.
A neck brace will not prevent compression injury from "lawn darting' into the ground. It limits how far your neck will bend front-to-back, side-to-side and combinations of the two.
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gsxrcr28 10/26/2013 12:11pm
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This past April I had a crash where I ended up going head first into a jump, I felt the brace stop my head from from being slammed into my shoulder area. I'm not saying it saved me from a serious injury but I am glad I had it on.

Doc Bodnar seems to believe in them, but if you don't then don't wear one.



http://www.racerxvt.com/article/dr.-bodnar-examines-trey-canards-leatt-…

http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/TFS_Doc_Bodnar.html

http://www.btosports.com/moto-news/motocross-gear/the-neck-brace-and-wh…

http://www.dirtrider.com/features/the-neck-brace-web-component/
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philG 10/26/2013 12:15pm
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Bret wrote:
Consumer testimony can't be used as proof that a neck device prevented injury or saved a life. I could just as easily claim that since I...
Consumer testimony can't be used as proof that a neck device prevented injury or saved a life. I could just as easily claim that since I was wearing my lucky socks in every crash and was never injured, the socks prevented my injuries. Without some sort of acquired data from the crash to back up the claim, it is speculation at best.

I was under the impression that compression injury is the most common and damaging injury to the spine. A neck brace will not protect against this sort of impact. Looking at the design of the product, it appears to be able to handle hyper-extension prevention quite well.

In the end, it really is a choice that boils down to what makes the rider more comfortable. I am one of the few guys at the track that wears a kidney belt and a chest protector. They may or may not serve any useful purpose but I feel funny riding without them. As for neck devices and knee braces, I don't wear either one by choice. My decision is based on conversations with medical professionals, articles I have read, and by evaluating the products myself. While there may be certain types of crashes and impacts that these devices do exactly what they are intended to do, there are limits. In my opinion, these devices have a narrow range of protective capability. I also feel that they can introduce injury that can be equal to or worse than the one they were designed to protect against. I think I would rather have my joints and ligaments flex than concentrate the forces of the impact to another location. While you may or may not agree, this is my decision and I am completely comfortable with it. Your mileage may vary. Bret
Im in with you on this Bret, always wear a kidney belt and body armour , never wear knee braces , or the latest armoured to the teeth boots... i like something that has a bit of give in it , something that has no compliance just transmits load to somewhere else , the engineer in me tells me that. Its why cars are designed with crumple zones ,& F1 cars fly to bits , but the guys get out etc... you can (and they used to) build a race car that wont bend a jot , to a point , but it doesnt do any favours to the drivers..

It personal choice though , i let my 19 year old son make his own call, he doesnt wear one either.
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Griff.747 10/26/2013 1:18pm
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Indy mxer wrote:
A neck brace stops forward hyper extension as well. Bottom line is, too much extension is a bad thing either way and the neck brace limits...
A neck brace stops forward hyper extension as well.
Bottom line is, too much extension is a bad thing either way and the neck brace limits that. You're right the energy has to go somewhere. So I'll take it where the brace transfers it.

Btw, many permanent spinal injuries come from lawn darting into the ground and compressing the spine. That's another way the neck brace helps. It transfers energy to the shoulders. For me, if it means a broken collarbone, I'll take that over getting paralyzed.
But that said, we all know they aren't 100% effective. Nothing is.
I've been wearing one since the first Leatt came out and will continue to wear one.
And even though my kids are all grown, if I had a young kid racing today they wouldn't get on the bike without one.

For me, it's just another way to reduce risks of riding and racing mx.
Bret wrote:
A neck brace will not prevent compression injury from "lawn darting' into the ground. It limits how far your neck will bend front-to-back, side-to-side and combinations...
A neck brace will not prevent compression injury from "lawn darting' into the ground. It limits how far your neck will bend front-to-back, side-to-side and combinations of the two.
That's kind of like saying "but a seat belt won't help you if the car is completely crushed". Ya it's pretty obvious that a neck brace (just like a seat belt) won't help in every situation. But it will help in a lot of them.
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brimx153 10/26/2013 1:29pm
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JM485 wrote:
Please tell me some of you are kidding about these braces doing more harm than good? How many cases have there been where these braces have...
Please tell me some of you are kidding about these braces doing more harm than good? How many cases have there been where these braces have hurt someone, and how many have there been where they have saved a life or prevented paralysis? I can guarantee anyone who broke their neck without one on probably wishes that they had given them a try (yes, I know they are relatively new so I am talking about within the last few years). It is sort of like wearing a helmet, they won't protect against every situation, but 9/10 times they will help. Stearing someone away from them because of some fluke incident is pretty irresponsible if you ask me. Leatt has done extensive testing (look it up in Dirtrider) and I honestly believe in their product, why peopl try to make them out as liars is beyond me. I never ride without mine and I'm sure someone will ream me for this post, but I had to put it out there. Whatever you choose, just be prepared to accept the possible outcomes..
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Great post!! I agree 100% Now If you don't want to wear one, fine. That's your choice for sure. But to come on here and say...
Great post!! I agree 100%
Now If you don't want to wear one, fine. That's your choice for sure.
But to come on here and say it increases the risk of injury is absurd, and flies in face of logic. Yeah someone can and on occasion will, get hurt wearing one. Nobody says the are 100% effective.
Same goes with helmets. Unfortunately every so often riders die due to head injuries, even though they were wearing a helmet.
And I don't see anyone on here advocating we stop wearing them.
ask Reed , and the Mcfarlane family about that , i know that cant be proved either way, that it was the cause of his death, but there no evidence that it helps in any way, either , i agree with you that u should wear one if you believe they work , and if you dont ,well dont wear them , my opinion is they can transfer a lot of force to your head in a crash , i agree that if it worked a broken coller bone would be a small price to pay ,if it was a proving thing to work , but the transfered force to ur head is a lot more worrying imo , and there seem to be alot more head injuries around lately , but who knows
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brimx153 10/26/2013 1:41pm
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question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean the the old one did nt work , with sometime like that ,i think you should stand buy ur original design , cause leatt had advertised the first design as the best on the market , to change the design so much , makes me wonder about the first design ones ,
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Griff.747 10/26/2013 1:52pm
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brimx153 wrote:
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean...
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean the the old one did nt work , with sometime like that ,i think you should stand buy ur original design , cause leatt had advertised the first design as the best on the market , to change the design so much , makes me wonder about the first design ones ,
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just as good as the vfx-w. Designs get better as more information comes along. If not we would all be riding old honda elsinores. (Even though they are bad ass)
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harvdog412 10/26/2013 1:57pm
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I'm fused from C2-C7 and feel if I'd had a neck brace it would not have happened. They weren't available at the time. Fortunately, still able to ride with my leatt.
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Grizz 10/26/2013 2:52pm
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So here is my question: to the guys who say they don't wear one simply because its uncomfortable, do you wear boots, helmet, chest pro, etc...
So here is my question: to the guys who say they don't wear one simply because its uncomfortable, do you wear boots, helmet, chest pro, etc? I would argue when I sit on my bike in tennis shoes, gym shorts, t shirt and a hat that I'm way more comfortable then when I'm all geared up. But would I go ride like that-nope. Those items aren't meant to be primarily comfortable. If they can be, great. But that's an afterthought. And on the issue of the body supposed to be having some hyperextention, that's true, but only to a certain degree. I don't think the body is supposed to experience the hyperextention associated with crashing a motocross bike at "5th gear pinned." If that was your only argument, then once again, don't wear boots or knee braces either. I think there are plenty of instances where those items have probably caused some broken legs, too but no one makes a stink about that (probably because the pros don't make a stink about it).

To me, it just seems like a bunch of guys have seen their favorite rider stop wearing them so they think its en vogue to do the same. Maybe not, but that's how it comes across and then the guys try to stand on these lame duck excuses to make it seem like they have better reasons. Look, if a pro making a living racing thinks it slows him down and wants to risk not wearing one, I can respect that. But if your local guy that's paying to go race on the weekends doesn't wear one because it might slow him down and he won't win his moto at the local track, that just seems a little foolish. But once again, to each his own.
Yes. I wear boots, helmet, knee braces, and a chest protector and I think they are all very comfortable. I completely disagree that sitting on my bike wearing street clothes is comfortable. If I'm not comfortable I can't ride well. I have to be able to focus on riding, not my uncomfortable gear. I've changed pants after 1 lap of practice before because they were too loose. This is going to make me sound like a spoiled brat, but my dad has bought me helmets and boots in the past that I didn't even ride in before selling them because I knew I wouldn't like it (don't worry, he usually gets things cheap off ebay and can usually make a little more money by selling them a week later!).

That's exactly why I don't wear a neck brace. I don't think it's comfortable. If I had been wearing one since I started like kids these days, then I probably wouldn't mind it. That's the reason I feel more comfortable with my knee braces, helmet, and boots on than I do without. It's because I've always ridden with that stuff since I was 5 years old.

I wore a Leatt for 2 years until I broke the back piece off of it (and it broke my collarbone). Then I tried the A-stars one for a little, but eventually just stopped wearing it.

I've tried on the Atlas braces and they feel really nice. If I was going to wear a neck brace again, I'd get one of those. But my dad won't buy it because he doesn't think I'll wear it very long.

Also, whether it is in my head or not, I can corner better without a neck brace on, and cornering is everything.
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hvaughn88 10/26/2013 3:21pm
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Haha, ok grizz, fair enough. If you say that wearing motocross gear is more comfortable for you than not then so be it.

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McGinnis_339 10/26/2013 3:22pm
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2 strokes + slower speeds= No need to wear a neck brace. Stupid 4 strokes
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JM485 10/26/2013 3:44pm
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A lot of good points have been made here and I am really impressed that everyone has been so civil about this discussion.

I just wanted to share a story from out at the track today. A friend of mine crashed off the side of the track on a downhill jump, I did not see the crash so I don't know exactly what happened. From the people who were there right after the crash, apparently he likely hit his head, and it appeared he also broke his collar bone. These injuries are NOT confirmed, I am just going by what I and others observed. The point of this is, he was wearing a neck brace and was able to get up and walk away for the crash. If he did indeed hit his head, it is possible that the brace saved him from neck injury and left him with a broken collar bone. Not sure about everyone, but I would choose that any day over a spinal cord injury. It's your choice, make the decision that's right for you, but I will definitely continue to wear mine. Just wanted to share this, and hopefully everyone has a safe day of riding.
Sloaner104 10/26/2013 3:54pm
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People have been breaking collarbones riding for as long as I can remember it's probably the #1 injury so just to say his neck is fine doesn't mean the neck brace saved him from serious injury idk not ruling out the fact! Are spinal injuries and closed head injuries becoming more common ?
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Indy mxer 10/26/2013 4:19pm
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Bret wrote:
Consumer testimony can't be used as proof that a neck device prevented injury or saved a life. I could just as easily claim that since I...
Consumer testimony can't be used as proof that a neck device prevented injury or saved a life. I could just as easily claim that since I was wearing my lucky socks in every crash and was never injured, the socks prevented my injuries. Without some sort of acquired data from the crash to back up the claim, it is speculation at best.

I was under the impression that compression injury is the most common and damaging injury to the spine. A neck brace will not protect against this sort of impact. Looking at the design of the product, it appears to be able to handle hyper-extension prevention quite well.

In the end, it really is a choice that boils down to what makes the rider more comfortable. I am one of the few guys at the track that wears a kidney belt and a chest protector. They may or may not serve any useful purpose but I feel funny riding without them. As for neck devices and knee braces, I don't wear either one by choice. My decision is based on conversations with medical professionals, articles I have read, and by evaluating the products myself. While there may be certain types of crashes and impacts that these devices do exactly what they are intended to do, there are limits. In my opinion, these devices have a narrow range of protective capability. I also feel that they can introduce injury that can be equal to or worse than the one they were designed to protect against. I think I would rather have my joints and ligaments flex than concentrate the forces of the impact to another location. While you may or may not agree, this is my decision and I am completely comfortable with it. Your mileage may vary. Bret
Fine don't wear one. Nobody here is saying you should. Do what works for you. But your lucky socks analogy is laughable and lacks common sense.

It seems your basically saying all of us who believe they work and have examples of where they did, are full of shit.
Leatt has the research but it's not credible. A doctor told a rider his opinion was it saved him from further injury but what does he know.
Many on here, including myself have had bad wrecks where we were glad we had one on but we can't prove it helped.
Blah, blah, blah.
Some of you will never be convinced, and that's ok. But you can't prove a negative.
The research is out there saying they help. Any saying they don't work?

And btw, they do offer a certain amount of protection from compression. It will only let your neck compress to the point where your helmet hits the brace. Then it's transmitted to the collarbone/shoulder area.
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JM485 10/26/2013 4:40pm
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People have been breaking collarbones riding for as long as I can remember it's probably the #1 injury so just to say his neck is fine...
People have been breaking collarbones riding for as long as I can remember it's probably the #1 injury so just to say his neck is fine doesn't mean the neck brace saved him from serious injury idk not ruling out the fact! Are spinal injuries and closed head injuries becoming more common ?
You can't honestly think that neck braces are causing head injuries, where is there evidence of that? I would blame the higher speeds of today's racing for the increased head injuries. Consider this, in simple physics, the kinetic energy of an object can be found using the equation KE=1\2mv^2, with m being the objects mass and v being it's velocity. In a crash, all of that energy has to go somewhere, so the speed (velocity is simply speed in a given direction) of an object exponentially changes it's kinetic energy. It takes force to stop a moving object, or in other words, overcome it's kinetic energy. This would mean, that in a crash, your speed would have a greater impact on the force exerted on your body than anything else, so if anything I would venture to say that the higher speeds are the main cause of the head injuries. If I have made an error somewhere, someone please correct me, but I think the idea of blaming neck braces for an increase in head injuries is ridiculous.
Sloaner104 10/26/2013 5:05pm
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I didn't blame anything I'm seeking info that's all I'm not bias to anything I wanna wear one but am skeptical
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Mickolobe7 10/26/2013 5:47pm
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My son is going to start riding when he is 2, and Im going to get him one to wear and he will always wear it just like a helmet. He just will think that you have too.
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brimx153 10/26/2013 6:20pm
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Sloaner104 wrote:
People have been breaking collarbones riding for as long as I can remember it's probably the #1 injury so just to say his neck is fine...
People have been breaking collarbones riding for as long as I can remember it's probably the #1 injury so just to say his neck is fine doesn't mean the neck brace saved him from serious injury idk not ruling out the fact! Are spinal injuries and closed head injuries becoming more common ?
JM485 wrote:
You can't honestly think that neck braces are causing head injuries, where is there evidence of that? I would blame the higher speeds of today's racing...
You can't honestly think that neck braces are causing head injuries, where is there evidence of that? I would blame the higher speeds of today's racing for the increased head injuries. Consider this, in simple physics, the kinetic energy of an object can be found using the equation KE=1\2mv^2, with m being the objects mass and v being it's velocity. In a crash, all of that energy has to go somewhere, so the speed (velocity is simply speed in a given direction) of an object exponentially changes it's kinetic energy. It takes force to stop a moving object, or in other words, overcome it's kinetic energy. This would mean, that in a crash, your speed would have a greater impact on the force exerted on your body than anything else, so if anything I would venture to say that the higher speeds are the main cause of the head injuries. If I have made an error somewhere, someone please correct me, but I think the idea of blaming neck braces for an increase in head injuries is ridiculous.
i honestly think they are , the whole point of a neck brace is to reduce movment in ur neck , well that force has to go somewhere , either the top of ur back or ur head , i think both , plus ur head comes to a sudden stop ,
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brimx153 10/26/2013 6:41pm
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question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean...
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean the the old one did nt work , with sometime like that ,i think you should stand buy ur original design , cause leatt had advertised the first design as the best on the market , to change the design so much , makes me wonder about the first design ones ,
Griff.747 wrote:
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just...
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just as good as the vfx-w. Designs get better as more information comes along. If not we would all be riding old honda elsinores. (Even though they are bad ass)
i know things change but when it comes to a neck brace, there have been a few different designs by other companys , but leatts first design, they said was the the best on the market cause it has a long middle piece down the back ,(unlike ortega ,which had two back piece on the shoulders instead of the spine which is very similar to alias now) then they said it s a much better design than A STARS , cause the sides and front is much higher on the leatt , which means less movement , so my main point is they redesign the leatt , with new features like spilt back piece to avoid pressure on the spine( copy of alias) a really small front peice , with very low sides (copy of Astars) like in a way it seem s like the design has changed so much that really there saying the other one did nt work
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gsxrcr28 10/26/2013 6:53pm
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brimx153 wrote:
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean...
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean the the old one did nt work , with sometime like that ,i think you should stand buy ur original design , cause leatt had advertised the first design as the best on the market , to change the design so much , makes me wonder about the first design ones ,
Griff.747 wrote:
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just...
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just as good as the vfx-w. Designs get better as more information comes along. If not we would all be riding old honda elsinores. (Even though they are bad ass)
brimx153 wrote:
i know things change but when it comes to a neck brace, there have been a few different designs by other companys , but leatts first...
i know things change but when it comes to a neck brace, there have been a few different designs by other companys , but leatts first design, they said was the the best on the market cause it has a long middle piece down the back ,(unlike ortega ,which had two back piece on the shoulders instead of the spine which is very similar to alias now) then they said it s a much better design than A STARS , cause the sides and front is much higher on the leatt , which means less movement , so my main point is they redesign the leatt , with new features like spilt back piece to avoid pressure on the spine( copy of alias) a really small front peice , with very low sides (copy of Astars) like in a way it seem s like the design has changed so much that really there saying the other one did nt work
I don't think they are saying it didn't work, more like the new design works better.
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Griff.747 10/26/2013 6:54pm
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brimx153 wrote:
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean...
question i have is who here still wear s an old design Leatt brace , cause they have changed them so much , does that mean the the old one did nt work , with sometime like that ,i think you should stand buy ur original design , cause leatt had advertised the first design as the best on the market , to change the design so much , makes me wonder about the first design ones ,
Griff.747 wrote:
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just...
Products get better an things change. That's like saying alpinestars should have stayed with their original production boot. Or that a shoei from 2005 is just as good as the vfx-w. Designs get better as more information comes along. If not we would all be riding old honda elsinores. (Even though they are bad ass)
brimx153 wrote:
i know things change but when it comes to a neck brace, there have been a few different designs by other companys , but leatts first...
i know things change but when it comes to a neck brace, there have been a few different designs by other companys , but leatts first design, they said was the the best on the market cause it has a long middle piece down the back ,(unlike ortega ,which had two back piece on the shoulders instead of the spine which is very similar to alias now) then they said it s a much better design than A STARS , cause the sides and front is much higher on the leatt , which means less movement , so my main point is they redesign the leatt , with new features like spilt back piece to avoid pressure on the spine( copy of alias) a really small front peice , with very low sides (copy of Astars) like in a way it seem s like the design has changed so much that really there saying the other one did nt work
I see your point. I really do. But I think all the companies say theirs is the best. Haha. But me personally I trust Leatt's designs cause they have the testing to back there's up. But maybe the other companies do too and they're just not as proactive about displaying it. And in my experience of having their first design to their latest (except the new ones that haven't come out yet withe the split back) and everything in between they all work pretty well.

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