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If they did find the cause of death the racing organization couldn't release that without the families consent either right?
And as far as the collar bone argument. Seat belts break collar bones too. But we all know they can also save your life
Sweden is not a third world country. I can only assume that there are policies and procedures in place in Sweden that handle cause of death investigations in a professional manner and use professional state employed pathologists. I can also only assume that their findings were forwarded to the race sanctioning body, which in turn, wrote Leatt a letter clearing them of any responsibility in the death.
The Shop
I have never worn a brace...
I did a 70' lawn dart today. As I came up a 3rd gear jump face, I noticed a flagger frantically waving for a downed rider in the landing zone. I could not / did not see the flagger till I was up the jump face (about 6' tall) a bit, and instinct kicked in. I chopped the throttle a bit. Crap. My helmet has dirt on the middle back..plus my head got driven down so hard my throat is sore. I can hardly swallow water. Concussion for sure, though I had no LOC. I can recall the day leading up to the crash...the crash...and the immediate aftermath.... But once I stood up..interestingly...the next 10 minute or so are vague. I can probably recall about 2-3 minutes of the 10. So it was a good hit for sure. Now I need to have my helmet checked...and may need to get a new one. Dammit!
I GUARANTEE that if a LEATT user had film of themselves crashing like this...and they were wearing a LEATT...they would be screaming "See see see...I 100% guaranteed would have broken my neck! It saved my life...cant you see. LOOK at that crash!" Well I just had that crash...and no real damage (brain bruise and ego not withstanding)
The LEATT is tested for a specific scenario...and it is not tested to see what dangers is ADDS in others. I see kids all the time wearing it over their jerseys...with the thoracis strut just sticking out. Think about a tuck and roll...and what happens if you hook that strut. There are instances where riders have been hurt by struts catching (tension injury...like getting executed by handing). Pretty scary. In all fairness..LEATT has addressed this by 'recommending' the strut not be exposed...but I think they do not go far enough in this respect, because people like to wear them that way...and they dont want to impact sales. There is also no way to ethically do true clinical tests. It is all a bunch of engineering models and bio mechanical models. This is the problem. There is simply NO WAY to do a double blind test for the dynamics if any specific event.
I just dont know. Today certainly scared me... Not sure where I stand on this. I personally think that getting some training in gymnastics, tumbling and trampoline would be FAR more effective in preventing neck injuries than any brace ever will be. Watch a trampoline and tumbling gymnast do crash dives some time...and you will understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp0mICeVMVA
whether you wear one or not is a personal decision and i don't think it makes you stupid either way. there is a never ending list of protective gear you can buy, few people wear all of it; we all draw the line somewhere. that said the one thing that i find most annoying about the neck braces are all the personal testimonials. i know dozens of people who have had their "lives saved" by neck braces, there are lots of people in this thread who would apparently be paralyzed or dead if it weren't for the neck brace. that just doesn't make sense. 10 years ago people weren't crashing and being paralyzed every weekend. i hear about just as many spinal injuries today as i did before braces.
i had a nice cartwheeling wreck last summer where i ended up lawn darting pretty good. i was dizzy, saw plenty of stars, had a real good headache, and a stiff neck for the rest of the season, but that was it. it struck me that if i had a neck brace on i would be able to tell everyone how it saved me life. i feel that 99% of the crashes where the brace "saved your life" its likely you would have been fine without it. i realize for the 1% eating though a straw that's no consolation.
till theres a 3RD PARTY, ITS ALL HEARSAY
Pit Row
What just happened anatomically?
Hyperextension.
Clearly, violent hyperextension may cause damage. It's wonderful there are companies to try and prevent this. However, your body is designed by nature (or God/Allah/Budah/Whoever) to hyperextend at that point, or you would not be able to look up.
...Now is lawn darting more dangerous, or having the possibility for your neck to hyperextend so you don't lawndart?
I don't know. When some third party shows me it'll help me on my way to buying a neck brace.
E.G.
One guy hyperextending will disperse energy elsewhere and save you, another guy says lawndarting will compress your spine and paralyze you.
One guy says hyperextending will paralyze you, another guy says lawndarting will disperse energy elsewhere and save you.
But since I don't immediately say "they can only help you, it can't hurt to have one on" I'm an asshole.
So I should say: "Well, heck they can't hurt you right? They can only help you." Now camP and JM are finally relieved and no longer smashing there foreheads into the keyboard because I have finally seen the light that these devices can only help people. I'm ordering one now.
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