What we need is a exhaust company to encourage loud 4-strokes

Edited Date/Time 10/29/2013 10:54pm
In Michigan we are battling sound issue at a couple well known tracks.. dont really agree with this.

When asked about the new T-6 and Ti-6 exhaust systems, owner Mitch Payton said, "We tried to focus
on improving the power for each model where we thought it showed weak points," Mitch proceeded with,
"We've noticed over the past year that the majority of our customers preferred a shorter muffler and the
sound to be louder. With these new exhausts, we tried to accommodate those riders."


Although the T-6 and Ti-6 will not pass FIM sound requirements seen in professional racing here in the
states or in Europe, they are still the ideal exhaust systems for any off-road or closed course racer
looking for an increase in performance.


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10/7/2013 8:33am
if people want to buy them why is this an issue ?

Pro Circuit is not the Police, if sound is an issue at your local track they should sound test everyone and make them comply.
10/7/2013 8:37am
500guy wrote:
if people want to buy them why is this an issue ? Pro Circuit is not the Police, if sound is an issue at your local...
if people want to buy them why is this an issue ?

Pro Circuit is not the Police, if sound is an issue at your local track they should sound test everyone and make them comply.
You are 100% correct, make the $$ were you can. Just seems strange that a exhaust company that was leading the way in "quiet" exhaust systems a few years back stating that keeping the sound down is everyone responsibility is now offering a loud system.

But it's a free market.
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10/7/2013 8:44am
Which tracks 2TR?
10/7/2013 10:04am
" ideal exhaust systems for any off-road or closed course racer looking for an increase in performance."

and decrease in riding opportunities due to land closures over ear-bleeding four strokes.

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10/7/2013 11:29am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2013 11:31am
500guy wrote:
if people want to buy them why is this an issue ? Pro Circuit is not the Police, if sound is an issue at your local...
if people want to buy them why is this an issue ?

Pro Circuit is not the Police, if sound is an issue at your local track they should sound test everyone and make them comply.
I agree with you Jay in principle but on the ground IMHO this is a step backwards for motorcycling. I'm also surprised that PC would introduce additional products instead of capitalizing on increasing production numbers of their quieter exhausts.

For me this these new PC products are a answer to a question that no one...or practically no one was asking.

queen of spodes-Extremely well said!
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10/7/2013 1:13pm
I still have yet to hear a 4 stroke MX bike that is too quiet. Not once have I been to a MX race and i thought to myself, that bike would be so much better if only it were only louder. I still do not get the louder is better crowd.
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10/7/2013 1:30pm
People still think louder is faster and better. The fact is as we lose tracks due to loud pipes and angry neighbors we have no one to blame but ourselves. Too me this falls on the shoulders of track promoters and the riders shoulders. If track promoters did sound tests, and consumers bought product with more than a "horsepower" mentality we might be able to combat some these issues. Nothing will change until us riders change our way of thinking and realize that riding a quiet bike is better than not riding at all.
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10/7/2013 1:51pm
Im sure that its still quieter than kaw OEM pipes and those goddamn yoshimuras.
10/7/2013 1:53pm
Loud sounds cool! But bites us in the ass in the long run...
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10/7/2013 1:56pm
not going to lie, my 300 had an FMF Turbine Core silencer on it and i couldn't stand the muffled sound and power delivery. threw an FMF Shorty on there and it barks like it should and hits like a BOSS.

4-strokes are entirely too loud though. 4-strokes sound WILL kill riding areas and tracks, just give it time
10/7/2013 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2013 2:01pm
People are so damned fickle. Give them what they want, loud pipes, then they will bitch about losing riding areas to the enviroweenies. It ain't the greenies doing that.. regular people hate hearing our loud, farting machines bellowing across the countryside. They don't like it, and people are foolish to continue pushing that envelope.

Some of these people are bonafide Vitards. Get over your loud bike obsession.. your 450 makes plenty of HP without you needing to alert the entire county that you came up a little short.
10/7/2013 2:03pm
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not going to lie, my 300 had an FMF Turbine Core silencer on it and i couldn't stand the muffled sound and power delivery. threw an...
not going to lie, my 300 had an FMF Turbine Core silencer on it and i couldn't stand the muffled sound and power delivery. threw an FMF Shorty on there and it barks like it should and hits like a BOSS.

4-strokes are entirely too loud though. 4-strokes sound WILL kill riding areas and tracks, just give it time
300's noise doesn't carry as far as a four stroke. Big difference if you are a mile or so away. You'd barely hear a 300 if at all. Four strokes come through loud and clear... big bass, booming farting noise that people don't want to hear.
10/7/2013 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2013 2:05pm
Loud sounds cool! But bites us in the ass in the long run...
Someone needs to make some hifi audio of exhaust and map it to the ignition. Plug your earphones into the properly muffled bike and have all the loud noise you like.
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10/7/2013 2:10pm
People are so damned fickle. Give them what they want, loud pipes, then they will bitch about losing riding areas to the enviroweenies. It ain't the...
People are so damned fickle. Give them what they want, loud pipes, then they will bitch about losing riding areas to the enviroweenies. It ain't the greenies doing that.. regular people hate hearing our loud, farting machines bellowing across the countryside. They don't like it, and people are foolish to continue pushing that envelope.

Some of these people are bonafide Vitards. Get over your loud bike obsession.. your 450 makes plenty of HP without you needing to alert the entire county that you came up a little short.
I love it.
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10/7/2013 2:22pm
Some spode down the street rides his 450 Honda with a loud pipe. About a block away from my house and it's still annoying as hell to me, and I like the sound of motorcycles. Can imagine the people that don't like bikes to begin with.
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10/7/2013 2:24pm
What ever happened to the DB Dawgs? My dad made one for my 250f and it was very noticeably quieter and I BARELY noticed the slight drop in power. They're cheap and universal

I help run a private track in michigan and we too have lost alot of riding days due to noise. We used to be able to ride about 22 rides a year, after going to court with neighbors, we are now down to 5 ride days a year Sad

The track has been there since the early 70's

I still have my 250f although it's blown up, but I now ride my 125 and with that, you can not hear me in the back section of the track whereas my 4stroker could easily be heard.

I plan on getting our group together for a little pow wow about possibly buying a shitload of DB Dawgs and make it manditory that they use them, they could get their own or if they don't have one, I'll sell them one for 50 bucks. Either that or they can join a different club. Time to get tough on noise, I consider my (our) track a goldmine and want to keep using it without worries
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10/7/2013 2:25pm
Ing wrote:
Some spode down the street rides his 450 Honda with a loud pipe. About a block away from my house and it's still annoying as hell...
Some spode down the street rides his 450 Honda with a loud pipe. About a block away from my house and it's still annoying as hell to me, and I like the sound of motorcycles. Can imagine the people that don't like bikes to begin with.
Nail hit squarely on the head. RE: Can imagine the people that don't like bikes to begin with.
10/7/2013 2:54pm
forgive me for not reading the FULL thread, but isnt Motocross about hearing the grunt of a bike full throttle? is there anything better? NO.

Just imagine if electric Motocross becomes the norm, IMAGINE watching that on tv!! coming out of a huge berm and......NOTHING

also, as a rider, you use your ears to judge where you are in rpm's to know when to upshift etc. HOW the hell do you do this with electric bikes??

sorry to go off on one but it just made me think thats all.

i bet 99.9% of cities/towns get more thunderstoms per year than Motocross events, but hey! thats an act of god, cant complain about that noise.

spodes.
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10/7/2013 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2013 3:06pm
Sounds like a brainfart from Mitch? I went for the Ti-4R previously because it was less noisy, gave me tons of pleasure and by being silent and added plenty of power. Recently I was thinking about him loosing the momentum in racing, he went from dominating the 250 class, to something I don't recognize, lost both SX-lites, and outdoors this year was close to a fiasco both 250 and 450, and now this. He wasn't present at the des nations either which of course correlates to not winning mx...

He's slipping?

Probably reading to much into it, and racing will probably sort it self out, but this loud approach is just plain retarded, how the fuck can it be supported? Free market? Loud bikes should be illegal, just because there's a demand for destructive items, we shouldn't wait for a law to reduce supplies.
10/7/2013 3:04pm
if i were mitch, id start blaming Kawasaki.
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10/7/2013 3:11pm
Meanwhile DeCoster and Acropovic is supporting less noise, and even went further building a system for Marvin and Roczen that actually went way below the current rules.

Support Acropovic "sounds" better in my ears.
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10/7/2013 3:20pm
It has never been about noise level or pollution. Although I do see the benefits of a stealthy bike around intolerant non-bike people, the fact remains that certain people are prejudges against two wheeled people. I have always believed that If they ban the 2 stroke they will also ban the 4 stroke. Just give em time.
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10/7/2013 3:29pm
If you don't understand the loud obsession, then you must not live too close to the hills of West Virginia and you might not know anybody dat tawks lik dis. Only den wil u unerstand y louder is beter. SHeeeiit I cud heard jigaboo comin a mile away!
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10/7/2013 3:31pm
DrSweden wrote:
Sounds like a brainfart from Mitch? I went for the Ti-4R previously because it was less noisy, gave me tons of pleasure and by being silent...
Sounds like a brainfart from Mitch? I went for the Ti-4R previously because it was less noisy, gave me tons of pleasure and by being silent and added plenty of power. Recently I was thinking about him loosing the momentum in racing, he went from dominating the 250 class, to something I don't recognize, lost both SX-lites, and outdoors this year was close to a fiasco both 250 and 450, and now this. He wasn't present at the des nations either which of course correlates to not winning mx...

He's slipping?

Probably reading to much into it, and racing will probably sort it self out, but this loud approach is just plain retarded, how the fuck can it be supported? Free market? Loud bikes should be illegal, just because there's a demand for destructive items, we shouldn't wait for a law to reduce supplies.
Uh, no.

PC makes FIM/AMA & even USFS compliant systems.

Some riders, as Mitch commented, want something different.

That's ALL that's going on here.

Period.
10/7/2013 3:35pm
the louder the better if you ask me.

Has anyone seen the clip of Laroccos mxon bike being warmed up in the pits in 05? DAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNN
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10/7/2013 3:56pm
the louder the better if you ask me.

Has anyone seen the clip of Laroccos mxon bike being warmed up in the pits in 05? DAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNN
this is why MX/SX is hurting.

chock full of hillbillies.

hillbillies don't earn enough cash to keep the sport going.
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10/7/2013 4:12pm
Nobody is making you buy the louder exhaust and I'm pretty sure both Pro Circuit and FMF make inserts that quiet the bikes down. Pretty simple solution really, if you live somewhere where noise is a concern, buy a system that offers less noise. Here in SoCal noise isn't an issue on tracks......yet anyway. So we have the luxury of picking from a larger pool of exhaust systems.
10/7/2013 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2013 4:49pm
forgive me for not reading the FULL thread, but isnt Motocross about hearing the grunt of a bike full throttle? is there anything better? NO. Just...
forgive me for not reading the FULL thread, but isnt Motocross about hearing the grunt of a bike full throttle? is there anything better? NO.

Just imagine if electric Motocross becomes the norm, IMAGINE watching that on tv!! coming out of a huge berm and......NOTHING

also, as a rider, you use your ears to judge where you are in rpm's to know when to upshift etc. HOW the hell do you do this with electric bikes??

sorry to go off on one but it just made me think thats all.

i bet 99.9% of cities/towns get more thunderstoms per year than Motocross events, but hey! thats an act of god, cant complain about that noise.

spodes.
it made "[you] think thats all"? thats what you call thinking eh?

thunderstorms? thats the weakest shit ive ever heard. to keep with the "thinking" theme, 99.9% of those places dont have thunderstorms that go off from 8am to 5pm, 5 days a week either Huh

motocross isnt about hearing the grunt of a bike at full throttle, if it was you'd never leave the house as you can accomplish that by revving it for hours on end on a stand, then you can buy the PC pipe to make it even louder on the stand LOL

shifting an electric bike would be difficult, considering the current KTM offering doesnt have multiple gears.

these guys didnt have any issues with this 6 spd electric street bike http://www.brammo.com/empulse/
if you skip to 4:45 they talk about how direct drive forces you to gear for top speed or acceleration...on offroad bikes there would be no reason to gear for top speed, so direct drive/no shifting it is...
10/7/2013 6:18pm
Dave927 wrote:
What ever happened to the DB Dawgs? My dad made one for my 250f and it was very noticeably quieter and I BARELY noticed the slight...
What ever happened to the DB Dawgs? My dad made one for my 250f and it was very noticeably quieter and I BARELY noticed the slight drop in power. They're cheap and universal

I help run a private track in michigan and we too have lost alot of riding days due to noise. We used to be able to ride about 22 rides a year, after going to court with neighbors, we are now down to 5 ride days a year Sad

The track has been there since the early 70's

I still have my 250f although it's blown up, but I now ride my 125 and with that, you can not hear me in the back section of the track whereas my 4stroker could easily be heard.

I plan on getting our group together for a little pow wow about possibly buying a shitload of DB Dawgs and make it manditory that they use them, they could get their own or if they don't have one, I'll sell them one for 50 bucks. Either that or they can join a different club. Time to get tough on noise, I consider my (our) track a goldmine and want to keep using it without worries
They went out of business when the market went all fooper.
10/7/2013 6:21pm
Torco1 wrote:
Nobody is making you buy the louder exhaust and I'm pretty sure both Pro Circuit and FMF make inserts that quiet the bikes down. Pretty simple...
Nobody is making you buy the louder exhaust and I'm pretty sure both Pro Circuit and FMF make inserts that quiet the bikes down. Pretty simple solution really, if you live somewhere where noise is a concern, buy a system that offers less noise. Here in SoCal noise isn't an issue on tracks......yet anyway. So we have the luxury of picking from a larger pool of exhaust systems.
If you live somewhere where noise isn't a concern just buy the loud pipes and wait for noise to become a concern.

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