How long before Eli shows RV a wheel??

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hammertime 10/3/2013 11:28pm
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true...mx is the 'ONLY" clean sport on the planet...thus says the protective know it all's on forums.

KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR SPORT IS THE MOST PHYSICALLY DEMANDING OF ALL THEM.
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therealjonon 10/4/2013 4:36am
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as soon as some of the other "top" guys show him a wheel.

let's face it, RV is on a whole different level than these guys.
eli might show him a wheel or two but I can guarantee it wont be all season long, and that's what counts. hopefully he doesn't end up on the ground doing it...
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IWreckALot 10/4/2013 4:59am
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hammertime wrote:
Considering they have the best access to the cycling world of ped's..he's next in line to the fastest man ever to ride outside!!!
Grizz wrote:
Usually it's hard to pin point the post that made a thread go downhill (not that this thread was the greatest, but a dirt bike discussion...
Usually it's hard to pin point the post that made a thread go downhill (not that this thread was the greatest, but a dirt bike discussion nonetheless). Not this time. It's this one.
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Good call Grizz.
Hey Hammer, how many stupid pills did it take you to come up with that post?

I think some people see RV as invincible but he really doesn't have any aggressive competition that I'm sure Eli is willing to test. And Barcia was fading fast on the 250. I remember Baggett and Kenny going around him on the outside in a couple of his last 250 races. Eli is a different story and not comparable to Barcia. I'm not going to put money on the line but I'm optimistic that he will challenge even in SX.

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zook11 10/4/2013 7:35am
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Motodave15 wrote:
3-5 rounds of sx he will be knocking at the door way way harder than barcia I honestly see tomac as a mcgrath kinda rider in...
3-5 rounds of sx he will be knocking at the door way way harder than barcia

I honestly see tomac as a mcgrath kinda rider in sx. He could upset everybody his rookie year. I think he has it.

I remember my dad telling a bunch of people MC would be great his first year on 250s...They all said no way. (look what happened)

I have a similar feeling for tomac.
"He will be knocking at the door way way harder than Barcia"

Did you not watch Barcia in SX? Don't let his outdoor season take away from what he did in SX. His phoenix and Seattle rides were both pretty dominate(Seattle he beat RV straight up btw) . I don't see tomac doing that good in SX his first year.
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burn1986 10/4/2013 7:56am
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There's no way to tell. I would say he gets 3rd 6th place throughout the season, most likely toward 6th. He didn't really have a breakout ride when he was on a 450. Not like Dungey, Canard, and Seely did when they were part time on the 450. He's plenty cocky and aggressive, but he has had lapses in consistency over the last few seasons for no apparent reason.
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jl0822 10/4/2013 9:06am
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im a big eli fan, however, his starts are not the best
if he wants to beat rv he will have to start with him or not far behind
a 12th place start will not cut it when RV starts in the top 3
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brimx153 10/4/2013 9:58am
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jl0822 wrote:
im a big eli fan, however, his starts are not the best if he wants to beat rv he will have to start with him or...
im a big eli fan, however, his starts are not the best
if he wants to beat rv he will have to start with him or not far behind
a 12th place start will not cut it when RV starts in the top 3
starts on a 250f , being one of the heaviest guys in the class , and starts on a 450 are going to be totally diff thing IMO , you right he needs good starts , but think it will be a lot diff on a 450
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burn1986 wrote:
There's no way to tell. I would say he gets 3rd 6th place throughout the season, most likely toward 6th. He didn't really have a breakout...
There's no way to tell. I would say he gets 3rd 6th place throughout the season, most likely toward 6th. He didn't really have a breakout ride when he was on a 450. Not like Dungey, Canard, and Seely did when they were part time on the 450. He's plenty cocky and aggressive, but he has had lapses in consistency over the last few seasons for no apparent reason.
how can u call him cocky , he seems like one of the most grounded ones out there , prob one of the least cocky !!!
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IWreckALot 10/4/2013 10:08am
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burn1986 wrote:
There's no way to tell. I would say he gets 3rd 6th place throughout the season, most likely toward 6th. He didn't really have a breakout...
There's no way to tell. I would say he gets 3rd 6th place throughout the season, most likely toward 6th. He didn't really have a breakout ride when he was on a 450. Not like Dungey, Canard, and Seely did when they were part time on the 450. He's plenty cocky and aggressive, but he has had lapses in consistency over the last few seasons for no apparent reason.
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how can u call him cocky , he seems like one of the most grounded ones out there , prob one of the least cocky !!!
Substitute the word confident for cocky. Dungey, Canard and Seely are not cocky either. I'm not saying that's what Burn meant but if we're talking riding styles, his riding style is cocky. His personality is laid back.
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SEE ARE125 10/4/2013 11:38am
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"The difference between being confident and being cocky is, being confident means you can actually back it up." - JS7
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Motoxdoc 10/4/2013 11:43am
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A-1.
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IWreckALot 10/4/2013 1:08pm
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A-1.
Dungey ran with JS7 on his rookie debut. Didn't beat him but JS was in his prime still and they both ran away with the main. Your guess isn't as crazy as some think. Tomac is going to be training while RV is healing.
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FreshTopEnd 10/4/2013 1:11pm
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Beats me. Glad he's moving up, the class will be more interesting for it.
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FreshTopEnd 10/4/2013 1:14pm
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hammertime wrote:
true...mx is the 'ONLY" clean sport on the planet...thus says the protective know it all's on forums. KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR SPORT IS THE MOST...
true...mx is the 'ONLY" clean sport on the planet...thus says the protective know it all's on forums.

KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR SPORT IS THE MOST PHYSICALLY DEMANDING OF ALL THEM.
The question, Rick, is what's there to be done about it. The testing now and that can be done is a joke, and an expensive one. WADA can't even get an HGH sanction sustained. Almost all the busts have been people getting ratted out or discovered by hard evidence, not tests.
mototed 82 10/4/2013 1:17pm
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tomac will be a strong second place guy because other than rv thats what they're all racing for anyway
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BigDaddyG 10/4/2013 1:42pm
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Eli is a bad mofo that is fosho! One of my favorite riders without a doubt BUT he isn't going to run with RV for a while. Realistically everyone on here knows that, just some don't want to admit it. He has raced the 450 with no so good results in the US, atleast not results that say he will be sticking it to the best to ever ride a scooter.

There is no doubt that Eli is the future....how long in the future remains to be seen. RV is the present and presently there isn't anyone racing today that can beat him indoors our outdoors week in and week out.

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stewie94 10/4/2013 2:11pm
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i feel like eli is being underestimated here , i wouldnt be surprise if hes right in the points chase to the end & as much i want my boy dungey to finally shut up the critics & beat rv in a full series where rv doesnt get injured , the more rv gets surgery , the stronger the dude gets , eventually its goona catch up to him like its doing to js7. its goona be a one hellva year for the sport i can tell you that.
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GuyB 10/4/2013 2:29pm
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observer wrote:
Ok, seasoned moto junkies....Vitards, et al... Time to start the usual SX preseason bench racing threads. Eli's got some serious training, bulking up & 450 experience...
Ok, seasoned moto junkies....Vitards, et al...
Time to start the usual SX preseason bench racing threads.

Eli's got some serious training, bulking up & 450 experience before he's there... but how long you give it before Villo hears that Honda behind him? I see Eli Tomac as the heir apparent to the 450 crown. I like the young mans training ethics, discipline & talent he's exhibiting. He also WANTS IT. BAD.

What say you??
How long? First chance he gets?
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TeamGreen 10/4/2013 2:38pm
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observer wrote:
Ok, seasoned moto junkies....Vitards, et al... Time to start the usual SX preseason bench racing threads. Eli's got some serious training, bulking up & 450 experience...
Ok, seasoned moto junkies....Vitards, et al...
Time to start the usual SX preseason bench racing threads.

Eli's got some serious training, bulking up & 450 experience before he's there... but how long you give it before Villo hears that Honda behind him? I see Eli Tomac as the heir apparent to the 450 crown. I like the young mans training ethics, discipline & talent he's exhibiting. He also WANTS IT. BAD.

What say you??
GuyB wrote:
How long? First chance he gets?
1st race together...

Doesn't mean he'll win; but, he'll challenge anyone out there.
Patrick_Turner 10/4/2013 6:03pm
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A-1.
IWreckALot wrote:
Dungey ran with JS7 on his rookie debut. Didn't beat him but JS was in his prime still and they both ran away with the main...
Dungey ran with JS7 on his rookie debut. Didn't beat him but JS was in his prime still and they both ran away with the main. Your guess isn't as crazy as some think. Tomac is going to be training while RV is healing.
Healing? He's already been practicing and training for MEC...while tomac was still riding outdoors for mxdn. Healing was over real quick, probably as soon as the incision healed up.
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observer 10/4/2013 9:21pm
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JACK_Schit wrote:
You might have too much time on your hands my friend!
Yep Jack, sometimes I guess I do.
But I drop in on Vital routinely-daily(illness otheres are apparently afflicted with), and I've grown weary of the same old silly posts, arguing, etc. Just a another conversation here on Vital-something of substance...

I thought for a while before posting, and while I believe Eli definitely has some needed race time exp coming on the 450, I-like some others I see, believe there's something special there. I see a lot of RV-Ryan Dungey there-(and some things better/some not quite there).
And yep, Eli had Barcia covered in Bam Bams last yr on 250s-just as I believe he'll make a better 450 rider

He's going to be a major force on a 450 IMO. Next topic.
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observer 10/4/2013 9:23pm
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Chris O'Neal wrote:
He will be a contender at the first gate drop on a 450 and the next in line to be #1. It may take a little...
He will be a contender at the first gate drop on a 450 and the next in line to be #1. It may take a little, but now he can focus 100% of his time on the 450 and his starts will come around if not right away. This year is going to have a lot of riders that can win and highest group of talent ever, to be on the gate at the same time. With Stewart's age getting up there and the young guns hanging it out even faster than him now, I have a feeling this year is a win or retire year for him. Hitting the ground gets scarier every year you get older and last year was the first year it seemed to effect him. Tomac on the other hand isn't scared and just getting started! It's just a matter of time before we are saying ET1 and RV2. What a great time to be a MotoFan!
I believe you are prophetic Chris. Wink
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TDeath21 10/4/2013 9:46pm
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For a single race? This coming season. As a championship contender? Never. Not if Villopoto retires soon like everyone expects him to.
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zombieland 10/4/2013 10:09pm
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Tomac will be alot more of thorn in RV in the outdoors than in supercross .. supercross he will be ok /good outdoors he will be wining races..
TripleFive 10/4/2013 10:36pm
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I doubt Eli will make it through the SX season healthy.
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Eli is a good kid from a good family with a good father and a good mother, who are from a great city in a great state, pay their taxes, pray in school, eat beef, and drink milk. What's not to love? He may show RV a wheel but RV is a good man from a good family with a good grandpa who also eats beef and drinks milk so it's gonna be tough to predict. Did I mention that Dungey is a good man from a good family and a great state too? Oh and so is everyone else that is faster than me. However, if you're slower than me, you suck and you're from a crappy family and a crappy state and I doubt if you eat beef and drink milk or even love guns. #stampit
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theToothPerry 10/5/2013 10:28am
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bvm111 wrote:
Didn't Eli have Barcia covered on the 250? I think he will do much better than Barcia in his first year... Just my opinion
Eli Definitely had Barcia covered in 250s, and they only raced 250sx together like once where Tomac got bad starts in Vegas. He left Barcia behind outdoors. Eli will be a contender immediately.
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MOTOXMO 10/5/2013 10:41am
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Tomac showing RV a Wheel is just wishful thinking, he'll probably be the most competitive of Everyone and will be 2nd in both SX and MX, but as far as him beating Villopoto for the title is just a Fantasy for people who want to see the Champ knocked off the Mountain. The Racing will be Great in 2014, best we've probably seen, since the 2006 SX title chase and if it's possible, I really look forward to seeing the Rider that is going to ride a 450 faster than Villopoto does, that is going to be impressive. I guess in a few weeks we'll get to see if Eli actually has anything for RV at the Monster Energy Cup

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