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I was one who strongly believed RV should have gone, despite the timing this year. Having thought about it further, I agree with first with DC, secondly with Team Green, thirdly with Huckster, and lastly with RV.
1. The MXdN used to be held mid September. It has now been put off by 2 weeks regularly to fit the extended GP schedule that already can't fill the gates with a shorter schedule. GP riders come to the U.S. in pursuit of something better while the GPs continue to decay at the hands of Longo the Magnificent. The GP tail should not wag the U.S. dog.
2. The US Nationals are not just for U.S. riders. They are for riders like Roczen, Musquin, Pourcel, Ratray, Langston, Pichon, Tortelli, Byrne, Metcalf, Townley, etc.,etc. Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. It is the North American Championship, more than just the U.S. Nationals.
3. The U.S. just finished a 7 year winning streak in the thing. The riders get little but bragging rights for going, but they risk everything in doing so. Although it kills me to say it, RV did the right thing and the smart thing. If the dates stay the way they are, I can see more stars who ride the U.S. series from ALL countries doing as RV did this year.
First everyone gets 7 years of jabbering of 'how important the MXDN is for team USA' shoved down our throats, and now all of a sudden 'the date isn't practical' and riders are losing interest because it's so late in the season?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Don't get me wrong, I understand the conditioning cycle of a pro racer more than you would know, but that is an absolute pathetic excuse. Even if the goddamn race was held mid december; everyone involved should be JUMPING to go over and race or STFU and never participate again.
This rant may sound vitarded and exaggerated, but I literally can not stand the mindblowing arrogance it takes to demand a race to be moved to a different date because it's too taxing for certain riders from ONE continent. Give me a fucking break.
The 2011 Outdoor Nationals finished on September 11th. This year they finished on the 24th of August, but that was MXSports prerogative, so why should YS be expected to move the date of the MXdN?
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Everyone is bummed when we hear our favorite rider is out because of injury right ??? Well racing moto causes some injury to every rider.....we hope not the catastophic type injury but RV is a great example of toughing it out through a season.
If you haven't tried to train and compete at a high level in a very physical sport......give it a try. After a year let us know how you feel about extended seasons and a break for recuperation.
Coyote.....must people can't begin to train at that level as they are incapable of handling the work load in the first place so they can't do the build-up to a truely high level of fitness..........there are a few who have trained finger tips that are willing to tell those who can dotop level training what they SHOULD be doing.
2007 MXdN Sep 22-23
GP season finished Sep 2nd
Outdoor Nats finished on Sep 10th.
2008 MXdN Sep 27-28
GP season finished Sep 14th
Outdoor Nats finished on Aug 31st
2009 MXdN Oct 3-4
GP season finished Sep 13th
Outdoor Nats finished on Sep 5th
2010 MXdN Sep 25-26
GP season finished Sep 11th
Outdoor Nats finished on Sep 11th
2011 MXdN Sep 17-18
GP season finished Sep 11th
Outdoor Nats finished on Sep 11th
2012 MXdN Sep. 29-30
GP season finished Sep 23rd
Outdoor Nats finished on Sep 8th
2013 MXdN Sep. 28-29
GP season finished Sep 8th
Outdoor Nats finished on Aug 24th
So basically MXSports arranged for the Outdoor Nationals to conclude a few weeks earlier than normal and now some of you are talking about pulling out of the MXdN because your riders have too much time on their hands.
The nationals used to run into October, with a few rounds AFTER the MXoN. It didn't work out so well either, for either side. That's why Stanton, Bradhshaw and Kiedrowski all sat out 1992.
DC
MX Sports
And, if the US doesn't go this event, I'm sorry but it renders the race irrelevant.
While Supercross is the most lucrative form of the sport but the MXDN attracts a hell of a lot of interest and attention around the world that Supercross does not. So while riders may not get a cheque for coming 1st, 2nd or 3rd at the event, they're already getting paid handsomely by Alpinestars, Fox, Shoei, Spy, Monster Energy and anyone else that WE, the fans support off the back of a riders success.
Its a self perpetuating cycle.
edit: thats not to say I'm against YS offering a monetary reward as well, which I think they should! I just think the idea that American riders aren't earning anything from the event is debatable, especially when you consider that many other riders lining up next to them at an MXdN have to work during the week.
The MXoN is a great event, but only a few guys participate. Our schedule is based on the balance between Supercross (which is 17 races ends the first weekend in May) and outdoors (which starts two weeks later). The OEMs and all of the race teams were asked for their opinion, and every single one of them asked for a schedule that ended in August.
The effort to go to the MXoN is greater for U.S. based teams and riders. It takes weeks of extra of extra work, and I was just trying to suggest a way to make it easier, and more likely that the top guys would all want to go. I would think that consideration would be given to them in scheduling, but apparently you guys think differently. No big deal.
DC
MX Sports
"DC you know roughly when the MXdN will be held each year, so why did MXSports schedule the Outdoor Nationals to end on August 24th?RV would surely be flying to Germany with the rest of the team had the Nationals finished a week ago, as they have done in recent years."
Jamma, you're trying to spin this into being my fault that Villopoto didn't go race? Seriously? I am trying to explain how to prevent guys from skipping, and you guys are taking this all wrong. The race is not as important to Ryan Villopoto as his career is, and he chose to worry about his job as a professional athlete on the AMA circuit by picking the time of his surgery, because there's not a lot of downtime on our schedule, and the MXoN is now in the middle of the off-season for guys based here. Surely that's something that should be considered moving forward.
DC
MX Sports
Doesnt the Australian/NZ supercross championship start in like a month? Should we change the date to january because team AUS/NZ are losing valuable testing time?
What about Mongolia? For all we know, the MXDN falls dead in the middle of their domestic championship. Do they have less of a right to be there than team USA?
If the date of an MXDN is important enough for a rider to skip going, he has no business going in the first place.
Also, pilotdude, are you high? Nowhere in your post could I make out what your reply had to do with my post. I didn't even mention the words World Championship.
It wouldn't make sense at all to change it JUST for the three American riders...but it MIGHT make sense to at least consider it for the benefit of all of the American based riders from other countries that would like to/should participate...
I don't have an issue with RV making the decision he has at all, but the early finish to the Outdoor Nationals seems to have influenced his decision to get surgery straight away rather than Youthstream holding the MXdN late in the season which is what was being implied, along with the suggestion that riders may decide to opt out in future.
I just wanted to know why the Outdoor Nats couldn't start a and finish week or two later inorder to safeguard the attendance of an American team at the MXdN, but you've answered that. If the OEM's voted to end the season in August then thats fair enough, but it sounds as though it could impact on the MXdN in the future which is a shame.
Pit Row
S
Carry on.........
As to the MXdN, nothing can fit everyone perfectly. But if I took the little corner of the world this board represents as representative how people see the event generally, I'd be inclined to draw US MX away from the event and have as little to do with FIM outdoor mx as possible. Right now the guys and teams are pouring a ton of energy and resources into an event that they will end up getting shit on by the rest of the world over unless they go 1-2 in every moto. Why bother?
The more things change the less reason I can see for anyone to line up for this Youthstream money grab.
Now to touch on the RC/Honda topic. If he would've retired @ Honda and played a similar roll as he did @ Suzuki would Honda be struggling with bike development every couple years? Has to be considered since Suzuki continued to use the same platform RC help develop when he was racing.
FTE: Yes he signed with Suzuki in April before the nationals began.
But as Bob Hannah would say IF my aunt had nutts she'd be my uncle!
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