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Hi there. Does anybody out there in the moto world know how to get rid of arm pump? Anybody have any work outs or anything?
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9/18/2013 5:13pm
Relax your grip on the bars and grip more with your knees.
9/18/2013 5:15pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2013 5:16pm
Ride more, do cardio (I try to do 60 mins worth) and wear tight fitting gloves. This is all opinion.

I think the cardio worked more than anything else. I think it just helps the body pump blood the way it needs to when under stress like riding. I went from doing 3 laps and feeling arm pump after 2 and having to pull off to doing a 30 min moto in a matter of a couple of weeks after starting my cardio. I get tired physically before I experience arm pump now.
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Wrist curls will help with strength and hanging from something until you can't hold on any longer while trying not to tighten your hold will help with muscle memory BUT to truly control arm pump is seat time.
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warm up before you ride, relax, let things flow, if you are forcing it you tense up,

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9/18/2013 5:38pm
A fellow vital member and I were talking and I asked how he stayed in shape in order to go winter riding in Florida. His forearm exercise is to hold your hands out, palms down, wrist bent up. Now squeeze . 300 reps twice a week. No more arm pump for me. Thanks Digger!
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9/18/2013 5:44pm
Kevin_Reed wrote:
A fellow vital member and I were talking and I asked how he stayed in shape in order to go winter riding in Florida. His forearm...
A fellow vital member and I were talking and I asked how he stayed in shape in order to go winter riding in Florida. His forearm exercise is to hold your hands out, palms down, wrist bent up. Now squeeze . 300 reps twice a week. No more arm pump for me. Thanks Digger!
This right here is a good idea. Definitely don't want to be lifting any weight or doing push ups, pull ups.
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9/18/2013 6:29pm
Grips, even with xl hands I prefer the smallest grips possible. It makes it much easier to be loose on the bike. I have to keep telling myself to let me hands float around the grips. I also used to destroy my hands with blisters before I started focusing on that.

Another thing that's been beneficial is deep tissue massage. It hurts like hell but it sure feels better for awhile. Luckily for me my girlfriend is a massage therapist and can do it when needed. :D
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9/18/2013 6:32pm
Lots of free pron does the trick. Switch hands often.
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9/18/2013 6:35pm
Get in the best cardio shape you can.
Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've been told to do 12 reps plus for 3 or 4 sets.
Also, I do 2 types of grip exercises while driving.
1) Sets of 150 reps with one of those hand grip things or just do it for 2 miles while driving so you don't even have to count. Just watch the odometer. This works your fingers but not your thumb.
2) Sets of 150 reps with a 1 Lb Stress ball filled with sand and buck shot. It's by Gravity Gripp. This works your grip overall including your thumb.

I do sets while driving, and also do a light set (not to failure) on the way to the track.
If I don't, then the first session out I'll get arm pump. If I do, then no arm pump, or maybe just slight. After the first session, I can ride at 100% for 50 minute sessions at Pala.

Keep your weight centered on the bike so you'r not pushing or pulling on the bars. This allows you to lessen your grip automatically.

Learn when you can relax your grip. For sure when you're in the air, but most of the time when I get arm pump, I really just need to relax my grip and pay attention to where my weight is centered on the bike.

And......

Nothing takes the place of seat time.

Hope this helps.
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mynewcr250 wrote:
Ride more, do cardio (I try to do 60 mins worth) and wear tight fitting gloves. This is all opinion. I think the cardio worked more...
Ride more, do cardio (I try to do 60 mins worth) and wear tight fitting gloves. This is all opinion.

I think the cardio worked more than anything else. I think it just helps the body pump blood the way it needs to when under stress like riding. I went from doing 3 laps and feeling arm pump after 2 and having to pull off to doing a 30 min moto in a matter of a couple of weeks after starting my cardio. I get tired physically before I experience arm pump now.
Curious on the tight gloves comment....I always feel like new tight gloves tend to give me arm pump and my loose old ones don't. ..What is you're theory on why the tight gloves help prevent arm pump?
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9/18/2013 7:04pm
Radical wrote:
Get in the best cardio shape you can. Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've...
Get in the best cardio shape you can.
Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've been told to do 12 reps plus for 3 or 4 sets.
Also, I do 2 types of grip exercises while driving.
1) Sets of 150 reps with one of those hand grip things or just do it for 2 miles while driving so you don't even have to count. Just watch the odometer. This works your fingers but not your thumb.
2) Sets of 150 reps with a 1 Lb Stress ball filled with sand and buck shot. It's by Gravity Gripp. This works your grip overall including your thumb.

I do sets while driving, and also do a light set (not to failure) on the way to the track.
If I don't, then the first session out I'll get arm pump. If I do, then no arm pump, or maybe just slight. After the first session, I can ride at 100% for 50 minute sessions at Pala.

Keep your weight centered on the bike so you'r not pushing or pulling on the bars. This allows you to lessen your grip automatically.

Learn when you can relax your grip. For sure when you're in the air, but most of the time when I get arm pump, I really just need to relax my grip and pay attention to where my weight is centered on the bike.

And......

Nothing takes the place of seat time.

Hope this helps.
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT, lift weights.
9/18/2013 8:37pm
Radical wrote:
Get in the best cardio shape you can. Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've...
Get in the best cardio shape you can.
Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've been told to do 12 reps plus for 3 or 4 sets.
Also, I do 2 types of grip exercises while driving.
1) Sets of 150 reps with one of those hand grip things or just do it for 2 miles while driving so you don't even have to count. Just watch the odometer. This works your fingers but not your thumb.
2) Sets of 150 reps with a 1 Lb Stress ball filled with sand and buck shot. It's by Gravity Gripp. This works your grip overall including your thumb.

I do sets while driving, and also do a light set (not to failure) on the way to the track.
If I don't, then the first session out I'll get arm pump. If I do, then no arm pump, or maybe just slight. After the first session, I can ride at 100% for 50 minute sessions at Pala.

Keep your weight centered on the bike so you'r not pushing or pulling on the bars. This allows you to lessen your grip automatically.

Learn when you can relax your grip. For sure when you're in the air, but most of the time when I get arm pump, I really just need to relax my grip and pay attention to where my weight is centered on the bike.

And......

Nothing takes the place of seat time.

Hope this helps.
Grizz wrote:
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT, lift weights.
tell Weston peick that. bro used to be a pro football player so he's lifted plenty of weights and look where he's at. Not to mention Eli Tomac! theres a video of him working out with Ryno for his every morning workout.
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9/18/2013 8:42pm
Yeah, for sure don't use the stranger hand all the time!!Smile
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9/18/2013 9:23pm
Lose the death grip.
Long deep breaths-in your nose out your mouth. (Even if you think you do this, you probably don't....)
Ride more.
Relax.
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tell Weston peick that. bro used to be a pro football player so he's lifted plenty of weights and look where he's at. Not to mention...
tell Weston peick that. bro used to be a pro football player so he's lifted plenty of weights and look where he's at. Not to mention Eli Tomac! theres a video of him working out with Ryno for his every morning workout.
But he isn't lifting weights now (well, he might be, but obviously not the same way)! You CAN lift weights but most people won't know what to do to get the most out it for motocross specifically. You want to have endurance, not strength. That's why motocross riders don't look like football players... Obviously I am no expert either, which is why my advice is to just stay away from weights. Works for me!
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9/18/2013 9:53pm
Radical wrote:
Get in the best cardio shape you can. Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've...
Get in the best cardio shape you can.
Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've been told to do 12 reps plus for 3 or 4 sets.
Also, I do 2 types of grip exercises while driving.
1) Sets of 150 reps with one of those hand grip things or just do it for 2 miles while driving so you don't even have to count. Just watch the odometer. This works your fingers but not your thumb.
2) Sets of 150 reps with a 1 Lb Stress ball filled with sand and buck shot. It's by Gravity Gripp. This works your grip overall including your thumb.

I do sets while driving, and also do a light set (not to failure) on the way to the track.
If I don't, then the first session out I'll get arm pump. If I do, then no arm pump, or maybe just slight. After the first session, I can ride at 100% for 50 minute sessions at Pala.

Keep your weight centered on the bike so you'r not pushing or pulling on the bars. This allows you to lessen your grip automatically.

Learn when you can relax your grip. For sure when you're in the air, but most of the time when I get arm pump, I really just need to relax my grip and pay attention to where my weight is centered on the bike.

And......

Nothing takes the place of seat time.

Hope this helps.
50 minutes? What brand of gas tank do you run??

Masturbation though is really the only cure.
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Radical wrote:
Get in the best cardio shape you can. Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've...
Get in the best cardio shape you can.
Lift weights in general. Be sure to do both normal wrist curls and reverse. For wrist curls I've been told to do 12 reps plus for 3 or 4 sets.
Also, I do 2 types of grip exercises while driving.
1) Sets of 150 reps with one of those hand grip things or just do it for 2 miles while driving so you don't even have to count. Just watch the odometer. This works your fingers but not your thumb.
2) Sets of 150 reps with a 1 Lb Stress ball filled with sand and buck shot. It's by Gravity Gripp. This works your grip overall including your thumb.

I do sets while driving, and also do a light set (not to failure) on the way to the track.
If I don't, then the first session out I'll get arm pump. If I do, then no arm pump, or maybe just slight. After the first session, I can ride at 100% for 50 minute sessions at Pala.

Keep your weight centered on the bike so you'r not pushing or pulling on the bars. This allows you to lessen your grip automatically.

Learn when you can relax your grip. For sure when you're in the air, but most of the time when I get arm pump, I really just need to relax my grip and pay attention to where my weight is centered on the bike.

And......

Nothing takes the place of seat time.

Hope this helps.
Skerby wrote:
50 minutes? What brand of gas tank do you run??

Masturbation though is really the only cure.
I ride an '05 YZ125. It's better than sex! (almost) and there's almost no chance of running out of gas Smile .
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9/18/2013 10:08pm
The only real cure is to ride more and do more intense cardio. Regular running worked best for me (3-5 miles, 2-4 times per week), but you could also row or run in sand.
9/18/2013 10:27pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2013 10:30pm
mynewcr250 wrote:
Ride more, do cardio (I try to do 60 mins worth) and wear tight fitting gloves. This is all opinion. I think the cardio worked more...
Ride more, do cardio (I try to do 60 mins worth) and wear tight fitting gloves. This is all opinion.

I think the cardio worked more than anything else. I think it just helps the body pump blood the way it needs to when under stress like riding. I went from doing 3 laps and feeling arm pump after 2 and having to pull off to doing a 30 min moto in a matter of a couple of weeks after starting my cardio. I get tired physically before I experience arm pump now.
Brad460 wrote:
Curious on the tight gloves comment....I always feel like new tight gloves tend to give me arm pump and my loose old ones don't. ..What is...
Curious on the tight gloves comment....I always feel like new tight gloves tend to give me arm pump and my loose old ones don't. ..What is you're theory on why the tight gloves help prevent arm pump?
well heres the deal for me at least, its not really the glove sizing, in my OPINION, its the palm area. ive found that if i buy gloves that fit me "properly" in the sense that they fit how i would imagine they should fit, the palm area always gets loose and bunched up. i started using gloves that were a size smaller than what i would normally wear because for the most part the palm area didnt loosen as much as the "proper" sized glove. i even go so far as to wash and dry my gloves in the drier the day before, which shrinks/tightens them up for a decent amount of time before they loosen up again. i DO keep the strap around the wrist loose, as i think that too tight might interfere with blood flow? not sure, but it makes sense to me.

if the palm is loose and bunches up, i struggle with grip and i think that worsens arm pump. i start to concentrate on how shitty the feel is at the bars and i tense up and overcompensate my grip.

i now wear TLD GP air and TLD SE Pro gloves. these gloves have a very thin palm material and its the tightest fitting love in the palm area that i have found. ive tried a decent amount of gloves and these are the best for me. the worst have been the Deft Family gloves, the only pair of gloves that have given me blisters since ive started riding. i used them once at the track and that was that, gave them away for free.

everyone is going to be different, so maybe tight fitting gloves wont work for you, but i can only offer an opinion on what works for me Wink
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9/19/2013 12:31am
Why don't you first start by figuring out why your getting arm pump in the first place.
1. Previous injuries that you DID NOT properly recover from due to cutting rehab short.
2. Decrease mobility in thoracic spine.
a. T-4 syndrome. lack of rotation at this segment in one study showed that it may contribute to tennis elbow which could also contribute to arm pump.
b. Loss of extension in thoracic spine. Causes more work at the neck by having to use it more to look up fatiguing your neck muscles contributing to arm pump.
3. Instability in one or both shoulders. Causes tightness in shoulder muscles trying to create stability resulting in possible arm pump.
4. Inability to activate core while independently moving hips and or thoracic spine. Will place more stress on shoulders which could cause arm pump.
5. Weak glute muscles. Causes low back to work more resulting in early fatigue leading to excessive pulling of arms which could cause arm pump.
6. True compartment syndrome. Only way to tell is by inserting a needle in your forearm right after riding to check pressure.

These are just a few things that I see every weekend while assessing riders who come to me with the same question.
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9/19/2013 6:47am
GMONEY322 wrote:
Hi there. Does anybody out there in the moto world know how to get rid of arm pump? Anybody have any work outs or anything?
Following are some causes that may be keeping you from riding free of armpump.

- The most important single thing to keep from having armpump is to do a lot of quality practicing on the bike. Like 3 or 4 days per week and racing on the weekends. Or at least as much riding as you possibly can.
- Next is riding and racing with a smooth riding style, flowing with the bike, working with the bike and not riding tight and fighting the bike.
- Riders who are having arm pump problems should do more cardio and less lifting of weights.
- Don’t do your forearm exercises too hard. You don’t want to make the muscles too tight. Just give them a moderate workout.
- A lot of stretching and massage of the forearms is also good.
- A relaxed mind free of anxiety, stress and tension is also very helpful. Have fun with it and relax as much as possible.
- Ride with a low center of gravity. Use your legs to hold onto the bike as much as possible and relax your arms and hands as much as possible. A lot of riding time allows you to be able to do this.
- Make sure you are using all the proper techniques.

Give it sometime. I hope this helps.
See free previews of my Motocross Technique and Training DVDs at: www.motocrossdvds.com

More ways to Eliminate Armpump

The way most people train their forearms will cause more armpump. Over the years I have developed a forearm exercise combo that gives the forearms more strength and endurance which eliminates armpump. It's done with dumbbells both standing or sitting and laying down with arms straight up like you just completed a dumbbell bench press. There are 3 exercise standing or sitting and 2 exercises laying. They are all done with arms straight. Start out with 15 reps on each of the 5 exercises. Always have your hands positioned like you were holding a barbell.

With weight hanging at your sides a little in front.
1. Curl wrist back and forward.
2. Move wrist side to side, lowering and raising each end of the dumbbells.
3. Open and close hands as far as possible without dropping dumbbells.

Then with weights above you while laying down:
4. Curl wrist back and forward.
5. Move wrist side to side, lowering and raising each end of the dumbbells.

Start out with 2 sets fairly light. Do 3 times a week. After 2 weeks do 3 sets and increase weight gradually.

If you want to learn exactly how to do this and many other moto exercises and training routines get my new MX Conditioning 2 DVD. See a free preview and order or Stream online: http://www.gsmxs.com/featured/motocross-conditioning-2-dvd-39-95
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I use a Spring Hand Grip Strengthener. It seems every time I take a break from it for a few months arm pump comes back. Also more riding helps.
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9/19/2013 5:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2013 5:49pm
1). Loose grip on bars.
2). Grip bike with knees more.
3). Breathe
4). Stay away from exercises that teach your arm muscles to inflate with blood ie. Weights etc.
5). Ride ride ride.
6). Ride a 4 stroke.

I also had used a grip on the left side of the bar that rolled back and fourth just a tad. Some one gave it to me and I threw it on there and noticed a difference right off the bat.
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You can cut your cross bar in half Tongue
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11/20/2015 8:49am
Kevin_Reed wrote:
A fellow vital member and I were talking and I asked how he stayed in shape in order to go winter riding in Florida. His forearm...
A fellow vital member and I were talking and I asked how he stayed in shape in order to go winter riding in Florida. His forearm exercise is to hold your hands out, palms down, wrist bent up. Now squeeze . 300 reps twice a week. No more arm pump for me. Thanks Digger!
Been sitting here thinking how I'm going to prepare for spring. I live in the NE and while I'd love to I'm going to have few opportunities to ride between now and March. This was my first year of MX. I generally only get to ride once a week so I get arm pump very quickly after one fast lap and especially if I have to recover from a bad jump or corner. I just did 100 reps of this exercise and it simulated the exact pain/problem I experience in my arms. If I work my way up to 300 reps twice a week I think this exercise will definitely do the trick! Thanks for sharing!

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