who is Ryno talking about?

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Underdog999 4/3/2013 10:12am
4/3/2013 10:12am
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
No one wants to feel like they wasted 350 bucks on a Leatt, by the looks of it.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Or they don't think Ryno knows everything, and think its better than nothing. If I had proof they don't help at all I would have no...
Or they don't think Ryno knows everything, and think its better than nothing. If I had proof they don't help at all I would have no problem not wearing one.
Again, x1000!
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jtomasik 4/3/2013 10:20am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Yea but your neck is the only part of your body designed to to hyperextended. I'm sure it's no flaw, so why retard that hyperextension by...
Yea but your neck is the only part of your body designed to to hyperextended. I'm sure it's no flaw, so why retard that hyperextension by nature/god whatever you believe?

I'm just tapping out of this pissing match now. There are probably 490,000 pages worth of neck brace saved a life and another 490,000 who think it is the culprit for a paralyzed individual.
Nature didn't evolve the human body to drop 30 feet out of the air at 40mph and land on its head. Reading some of the posts in this thread leads me to believe there are a lot of riders out there still not wearing helmets.
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brocster 4/3/2013 10:27am
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slipdog wrote:
Can you prove the legitimacy of this claim?
Jakes Dad wrote:
Please find record of the autopsy for us. Pretty bold statement even though I say it's total BS.

Ball is in your court.
DMG wrote:
The Dr told Reed that Sharky would probably still be alive if he didn't have a brace on. Pardon me if I don't talk about the...
The Dr told Reed that Sharky would probably still be alive if he didn't have a brace on. Pardon me if I don't talk about the others, I really don't care if you believe me or not.
as sad as it is there are two words in there that you cannot hang you hat on......."probably" and "if"
Steven_Perry 4/3/2013 10:27am
4/3/2013 10:27am
LMFAO LOOK at the original posting. Who is Ryno talking about?
If you don't want to wear a brace cool! If you do COOL!

Let's get back to the original question shall we?

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dak446 4/3/2013 11:06am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Yea but your neck is the only part of your body designed to to hyperextended. I'm sure it's no flaw, so why retard that hyperextension by...
Yea but your neck is the only part of your body designed to to hyperextended. I'm sure it's no flaw, so why retard that hyperextension by nature/god whatever you believe?

I'm just tapping out of this pissing match now. There are probably 490,000 pages worth of neck brace saved a life and another 490,000 who think it is the culprit for a paralyzed individual.
jtomasik wrote:
Nature didn't evolve the human body to drop 30 feet out of the air at 40mph and land on its head. Reading some of the posts...
Nature didn't evolve the human body to drop 30 feet out of the air at 40mph and land on its head. Reading some of the posts in this thread leads me to believe there are a lot of riders out there still not wearing helmets.
" Your head has a skull to protect your brain. Why retard your skull by wearing a helmet? "
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The skull is nature's helmet
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chapmanmx 4/3/2013 11:57am
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dak446 wrote:
" Your head has a skull to protect your brain. Why retard your skull by wearing a helmet? "
^^^^ Excellent point
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DrSweden 4/3/2013 11:57am
4/3/2013 11:57am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 12:21pm
I think this discussion has already been dealt with properly. Dr. Leatt and his colleges answered all questions served both from us and the media, and they responded in a professional way (my opinion). I don't know anything about this latest incidence, was it a cervical injury with a person wearing a Leatt? If that would be the case, it doesn't really change anything if you approach things in a scientific way. Basically you need a large sum of incidents, with poor and good outcome with people wearing Leatts compared to those not wearing. The issue is cervical injury, which the Leatt is build to reduce. Ryno's twitter shouldn't be a decider in any direction.
UpTiTe 4/3/2013 11:58am
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DMG wrote:
I'll be the first to admit I'm no medical professional, but I'm not dumb either. When a rider torpedos into the ground , the brace stops...
I'll be the first to admit I'm no medical professional, but I'm not dumb either.


When a rider torpedos into the ground , the brace stops energy from traveling naturally through your body so the area that takes the impact, your head takes all the energy causing brain trauma.
Underdog999 wrote:
This is one of the most preposterous things I have read on here in a long time. Holy Mother of God!
Funny because thats exacly what the Leatt demonstration says it does. Stops the energy and the compresion from traveling down the spine. So if the energy is stopped from traveling down the spine like they say it does, where does that energy go?
Thomas Jefferson 4/3/2013 11:59am
4/3/2013 11:59am
dak446 wrote:
" Your head has a skull to protect your brain. Why retard your skull by wearing a helmet? "
chapmanmx wrote:
^^^^ Excellent point
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet.

nice try guys.

I don't care either way, just thought i'd point out that flawed argument.
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GuyB 4/3/2013 12:15pm
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DMG wrote:
I'll be the first to admit I'm no medical professional, but I'm not dumb either. When a rider torpedos into the ground , the brace stops...
I'll be the first to admit I'm no medical professional, but I'm not dumb either.


When a rider torpedos into the ground , the brace stops energy from traveling naturally through your body so the area that takes the impact, your head takes all the energy causing brain trauma.
Underdog999 wrote:
This is one of the most preposterous things I have read on here in a long time. Holy Mother of God!
UpTiTe wrote:
Funny because thats exacly what the Leatt demonstration says it does. Stops the energy and the compresion from traveling down the spine. So if the energy...
Funny because thats exacly what the Leatt demonstration says it does. Stops the energy and the compresion from traveling down the spine. So if the energy is stopped from traveling down the spine like they say it does, where does that energy go?
Where does it go? Sometimes it results in a broken brace, just like sometimes helmets crack doing what they're supposed to do.

Both helmets and neck braces are designed to help slow and spread the impact load, and dissipate energy (to say that it "stops" it is incorrect).
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GuyB 4/3/2013 12:17pm
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The skull is nature's helmet
Which is mostly fine...if you do nothing more than walk around in a casual fashion. For the rest of us who like to live a little more than that, we have safety gear.
Thomas Jefferson 4/3/2013 12:18pm
4/3/2013 12:18pm
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
UpTiTe 4/3/2013 12:24pm
4/3/2013 12:24pm
Underdog999 wrote:
This is one of the most preposterous things I have read on here in a long time. Holy Mother of God!
UpTiTe wrote:
Funny because thats exacly what the Leatt demonstration says it does. Stops the energy and the compresion from traveling down the spine. So if the energy...
Funny because thats exacly what the Leatt demonstration says it does. Stops the energy and the compresion from traveling down the spine. So if the energy is stopped from traveling down the spine like they say it does, where does that energy go?
GuyB wrote:
Where does it go? Sometimes it results in a broken brace, just like sometimes helmets crack doing what they're supposed to do. Both helmets and neck...
Where does it go? Sometimes it results in a broken brace, just like sometimes helmets crack doing what they're supposed to do.

Both helmets and neck braces are designed to help slow and spread the impact load, and dissipate energy (to say that it "stops" it is incorrect).
ok, I get what you're saying. I wish I could find that video of the guy explaining it all.
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Choppy 4/3/2013 12:27pm
4/3/2013 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 12:29pm
I posted a study on a neck brace that either Guyb sent me or posted himself here(my memories not what it was) that had two people review it and I won't ever do that again.

DMG and others informed me that Reed and himself knew more than the people that did the study and the reviewers.
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chapmanmx 4/3/2013 12:28pm
4/3/2013 12:28pm
dak446 wrote:
" Your head has a skull to protect your brain. Why retard your skull by wearing a helmet? "
chapmanmx wrote:
^^^^ Excellent point
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet. nice try guys. I don't care either way...
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet.

nice try guys.

I don't care either way, just thought i'd point out that flawed argument.
Dak is obviously exaggerating his argument, just to prove how ignorant the "so why retard that hyperextension" argument is...He is saying that, like GuyB stated, your body isn't made for 100 foot triples and 5th gear straight-aways...so you need extra protection when you do things that the body isn't made to withstand on it's own.

I also don't care either way, you can wear one or not, it doesn't bother me...I'm just pointing out that you completely misunderstood his statement.
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grimey 4/3/2013 12:31pm
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The bittersweet of it all is that it extends the conversation. I for one, appreciate both sides of the argument. I just hope one day there can be a difinitive answer. Until then I have no judgement with or without.

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chapmanmx 4/3/2013 12:32pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
Doc Bodnar says that with his continued research of the brace, that they have no evidence that shows that a neck brace breaks collarbones...They have no more breaks now than they did before the braces came along. Just because someone who wears a brace breaks their collarbone, it doesn't mean the brace was at fault.
Thomas Jefferson 4/3/2013 12:33pm
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chapmanmx wrote:
^^^^ Excellent point
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet. nice try guys. I don't care either way...
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet.

nice try guys.

I don't care either way, just thought i'd point out that flawed argument.
chapmanmx wrote:
Dak is obviously exaggerating his argument, just to prove how ignorant the "so why retard that hyperextension" argument is...He is saying that, like GuyB stated, your...
Dak is obviously exaggerating his argument, just to prove how ignorant the "so why retard that hyperextension" argument is...He is saying that, like GuyB stated, your body isn't made for 100 foot triples and 5th gear straight-aways...so you need extra protection when you do things that the body isn't made to withstand on it's own.

I also don't care either way, you can wear one or not, it doesn't bother me...I'm just pointing out that you completely misunderstood his statement.
No, I didn't misunderstand it at all. In order for his statement to make sense, you have to make the assumption that a neck brace does ANYTHING at all.
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GuyB 4/3/2013 12:39pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet. nice try guys. I don't care either way...
before you make the helmet analogy, you have to assume the neck braces are effective, like the helmet.

nice try guys.

I don't care either way, just thought i'd point out that flawed argument.
chapmanmx wrote:
Dak is obviously exaggerating his argument, just to prove how ignorant the "so why retard that hyperextension" argument is...He is saying that, like GuyB stated, your...
Dak is obviously exaggerating his argument, just to prove how ignorant the "so why retard that hyperextension" argument is...He is saying that, like GuyB stated, your body isn't made for 100 foot triples and 5th gear straight-aways...so you need extra protection when you do things that the body isn't made to withstand on it's own.

I also don't care either way, you can wear one or not, it doesn't bother me...I'm just pointing out that you completely misunderstood his statement.
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
No, I didn't misunderstand it at all. In order for his statement to make sense, you have to make the assumption that a neck brace does...
No, I didn't misunderstand it at all. In order for his statement to make sense, you have to make the assumption that a neck brace does ANYTHING at all.
Apparently neck braces make some people draw a line in the sand and drop 15-20 IQ points. (I may be erring on the low side.)
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chapmanmx 4/3/2013 12:39pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
No, I didn't misunderstand it at all. In order for his statement to make sense, you have to make the assumption that a neck brace does...
No, I didn't misunderstand it at all. In order for his statement to make sense, you have to make the assumption that a neck brace does ANYTHING at all.
Yes sir, you did. Try to focus...The point of his post was only to point out how flawed the original statement was. It was not comparing the usefulness of a helmet vs a neck brace. He is simply showing that the body does need extra protection when it is exposed to extreme circumstances.

You took it waaaaaay to literal...
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DrSweden 4/3/2013 12:40pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I remember correctly). I don't really see the causality? The shape of the bone often results in it cracking facing out, as when someone lands on their shoulder. If compression on the chest, like getting hit over the collarbone it would most likely end with cracking inwards. Again I don't know if you were sarcastic
Thomas Jefferson 4/3/2013 12:43pm
4/3/2013 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 12:44pm
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
DrSweden wrote:
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I...
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I remember correctly). I don't really see the causality? The shape of the bone often results in it cracking facing out, as when someone lands on their shoulder. If compression on the chest, like getting hit over the collarbone it would most likely end with cracking inwards. Again I don't know if you were sarcastic
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted "it wouldnt have happened if he didnt have that bear trap" or something along those usual lines.

You have to remember, even "mom241" was in on that thread.

I dont know what broke his collarbone ,and i dont care, because my collarbone is intact.
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jtomasik 4/3/2013 12:49pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted...
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted "it wouldnt have happened if he didnt have that bear trap" or something along those usual lines.

You have to remember, even "mom241" was in on that thread.

I dont know what broke his collarbone ,and i dont care, because my collarbone is intact.
"....because my collarbone is intact...."

So, you're one of the non-riders around here.


Noted.
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Brent 4/3/2013 12:53pm
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GuyB wrote:
Apparently neck braces make some people draw a line in the sand and drop 15-20 IQ points. (I may be erring on the low side.)
Not just Neck Braces--two strokes, Diana Dahlgren, and just about any other topic here Tongue Blink Pinch
Thomas Jefferson 4/3/2013 1:00pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted...
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted "it wouldnt have happened if he didnt have that bear trap" or something along those usual lines.

You have to remember, even "mom241" was in on that thread.

I dont know what broke his collarbone ,and i dont care, because my collarbone is intact.
jtomasik wrote:
"....because my collarbone is intact...."

So, you're one of the non-riders around here.


Noted.
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact".

noted.

some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are just fucking plain stupid.
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dak446 4/3/2013 1:21pm
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chapmanmx wrote:
Yes sir, you did. Try to focus...The point of his post was only to point out how flawed the original statement was. It was not comparing...
Yes sir, you did. Try to focus...The point of his post was only to point out how flawed the original statement was. It was not comparing the usefulness of a helmet vs a neck brace. He is simply showing that the body does need extra protection when it is exposed to extreme circumstances.

You took it waaaaaay to literal...
Exactly. It was mocking the stupidity of a hyperextended neck being mother nature's way of dealing with a 4th gear yard sale. I attempted to convey my sarcasm using "...", but perhaps I'll try something a little more direct next time. Something like "NOTE: THIS IS A SARCASTIC COMMENT"
vanillaice782 4/3/2013 1:25pm
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Does anyone know for sure if Ryno graduated high school? I lost a lot of respect for Ryno when I saw that video of him fighting Lapaglia over an amateur moto. Here's Doc Bodnar's explanation of why the Leatt saved Trey Canard when he got landed on...
https://youtu.be/TFb24anV7Q0

What does he know though? I can't believe anyone would take the word of home-schooled Ryan Hughes over the opinion of a doctor.
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jtomasik 4/3/2013 1:41pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact". noted. some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are...
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact".

noted.

some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are just fucking plain stupid.
Relax, Sally. It was just a joke. Now, go on about your rant that the neck braces don't do anything. I'm enjoying it.

Oh, btw, I believe Canard's collarbone is intact now. I could be wrong. I'm sure you'll let me know.

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