who is Ryno talking about?

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4/3/2013 1:43pm
IWreckALot wrote:
It's no different than what the politicians are doing in relation to gun violence. I don't think Ryno is saying "I told you so" as much...
It's no different than what the politicians are doing in relation to gun violence. I don't think Ryno is saying "I told you so" as much as he is trying to educate the riders that conditioning is probably the single best thing you can do to prevent injury. After watching Tomac ragdoll, I have to think he is on to something.

However, I do have to think there could be a better timing and media to send the message he is trying to send.
seth505 wrote:
To be honest, that is common sense. If he has to "teach" someone that conditioning is going to help avoid injury then that person needs a...
To be honest, that is common sense. If he has to "teach" someone that conditioning is going to help avoid injury then that person needs a lot of help.
IWreckALot wrote:
I agree training should be common sense. But how many riders have you seen emphasize training their neck muscles? I'm not even sure what a safe...
I agree training should be common sense. But how many riders have you seen emphasize training their neck muscles? I'm not even sure what a safe neck muscle training exercise looks like but I imagine Ryno knows a few. And how many other muscle groups should a racer be training to help prevent injury? So I have no problem with what Ryno said or his beliefs. I imagine if he saw the uproar it caused, he might have approached the post a bit differently.
Good point, not all training plans are equal. I think a lot of rynos training plans are badass but I definitely don't follow his thoughts on protective gear.
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4/3/2013 1:47pm
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted...
maybe i should put smiley faces up or something, but I was referencing Canards pre-season 2012 crash, when he broke his collarbone and Hughes immediately Tweeted "it wouldnt have happened if he didnt have that bear trap" or something along those usual lines.

You have to remember, even "mom241" was in on that thread.

I dont know what broke his collarbone ,and i dont care, because my collarbone is intact.
Sorry, yeah the smileys would have helped me on the right track here! Grinning
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4/3/2013 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 2:14pm
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
In both crashes my son had the energy was transmitted to the Leatt itself. The "T" piece that extents down the back was cracked in both instances. Joey has had 3 broken collarbones prior to wearing his Leatt. None since Wink
It did its job(IMO) After his crashes Leatt sent a courier to my house to pick up the Leatt to study it. Im a believer and so is my son. Guess thats all that matters!
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4/3/2013 2:16pm
JeepnMike wrote:
Not to take away from the bottomless toilet everyone is pissing in here, but does anybody know who got hurt?
I can't believe you guys are still rambling on this debate that will never be truly answered, and still have no clue who got hurt that started this thread.

This is worse than politics.

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4/3/2013 2:19pm
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact". noted. some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are...
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact".

noted.

some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are just fucking plain stupid.
jtomasik wrote:
Relax, Sally. It was just a joke. Now, go on about your rant that the neck braces don't do anything. I'm enjoying it. Oh, btw, I...
Relax, Sally. It was just a joke. Now, go on about your rant that the neck braces don't do anything. I'm enjoying it.

Oh, btw, I believe Canard's collarbone is intact now. I could be wrong. I'm sure you'll let me know.
Oh, i'll bear in mind that if you're collarbone is not actually physically broken at the present time, you don't ride.

I'll throw on my riding gear and flick the camera off for my avatar next time, so everyone knows i'm oozing with legitimacy, bro.
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4/3/2013 2:32pm
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
DrSweden wrote:
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I...
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I remember correctly). I don't really see the causality? The shape of the bone often results in it cracking facing out, as when someone lands on their shoulder. If compression on the chest, like getting hit over the collarbone it would most likely end with cracking inwards. Again I don't know if you were sarcastic
Yeah. No one ever broke a collarbone before neck braces were invented. And if they did, the full-face helmet got the blame.
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4/3/2013 2:43pm
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact". noted. some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are...
so you're one of the guys who doesn't know the definition of "intact".

noted.

some of you guys are alright, but a few of you are just fucking plain stupid.
jtomasik wrote:
Relax, Sally. It was just a joke. Now, go on about your rant that the neck braces don't do anything. I'm enjoying it. Oh, btw, I...
Relax, Sally. It was just a joke. Now, go on about your rant that the neck braces don't do anything. I'm enjoying it.

Oh, btw, I believe Canard's collarbone is intact now. I could be wrong. I'm sure you'll let me know.
Oh, i'll bear in mind that if you're collarbone is not actually physically broken at the present time, you don't ride. I'll throw on my riding...
Oh, i'll bear in mind that if you're collarbone is not actually physically broken at the present time, you don't ride.

I'll throw on my riding gear and flick the camera off for my avatar next time, so everyone knows i'm oozing with legitimacy, bro.
Lets just bust out the ruler and put your guys dick stretching competition to bed eh? Those in favor say I. This is why I stopped arguing on vital. From now on I post my opinion and move on. There is no winning and we still don't know who got hurt!
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4/3/2013 2:48pm
That is odd that Hughes is so vocal about neck braces. I know Decotis wore one pretty much from the minute they came out until he started training with Hughes. Wonder if he influenced his decision to not wear one anymore? But then again can anyone recall a race were Hughes wore a chest protector? I don't know about anyone else but the more protective gear I wear when I ride, the more confident I feel. I can't imagine why anyone would want to discourage wearing protective gear.....Huh
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4/3/2013 3:02pm
The energy is transmitted to your collar bones. Ask Canard. and if i remember correctly, Hughes was tooting his horn when that happened, too.
DrSweden wrote:
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I...
Sarcasm? I don't think there's evidence of that. Collarbone fractures is one of the most common injuries when talking about general fractures in mx (if I remember correctly). I don't really see the causality? The shape of the bone often results in it cracking facing out, as when someone lands on their shoulder. If compression on the chest, like getting hit over the collarbone it would most likely end with cracking inwards. Again I don't know if you were sarcastic
GuyB wrote:
Yeah. No one ever broke a collarbone before neck braces were invented. And if they did, the full-face helmet got the blame.
Ha. I just wish Leatt or whomever could spit up a follow up study at some point in the near future. The gadget has been around a while now, I assume enough victims, or lack of could be an indicator.

Meanwhile the lack of this study, and some top riders stop wearing them makes me a bit uncomfortable...
4/3/2013 3:10pm
Two questions:
1) Who is the rider that got hurt ?
2) Who the hell is DMG?
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4/3/2013 3:41pm
There's a good article on neck braces in the May issue of Dirt Rider.
4/3/2013 3:48pm
Two questions:
1) Who is the rider that got hurt ?
2) Who the hell is DMG?
Unless you're introducing anecdotal evidence, you have no place in this conversation.
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4/3/2013 3:49pm
I was trying to find the vid of Hughes when he came up short at Charlotte, breaking his jaw on I believe it was the handlebars. I wonder if a neck brace would've minimized or eliminated that injury....


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4/3/2013 3:50pm
So here's my problem with Ryno's comment/tweet/whateverthefuck.
He stated his opinion, a pretty common thing, but it was presented as fact, (like this will kill you).
It's like Mainstream media and their scare tactics. He is akin to the big brother that tells you things that could be pretty sketchy, like, "it's only a 150 triple! Third gear tapped! you'll make it!" on a 125...
I believe in my neck brace and it provides a placebo effect for me. With my brace on, I ride like a champ. Without it, I'm a D rider sitting down the whole time.
If it works for you, sweet! If it doesn't, sweet. Motocross is based on diverse opinions. Get over it.
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4/3/2013 3:55pm
Lets get the opinions of parents, who above anything else in the world want to keep their children safe.
If given a choice, which you do have.....do you put a neck brace on your child before he heads out riding.
My personally, I would never let them ride without one
4/3/2013 4:00pm
KennyT wrote:
Lets get the opinions of parents, who above anything else in the world want to keep their children safe. If given a choice, which you do...
Lets get the opinions of parents, who above anything else in the world want to keep their children safe.
If given a choice, which you do have.....do you put a neck brace on your child before he heads out riding.
My personally, I would never let them ride without one
Motocross parents are extremely concerned for their children's safetySmile
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4/3/2013 4:17pm
Jesus, do we know who ryno was talking about?
Some dude ain't doin so hot right now, and that's a bummer. Well wishes sent to the mystery rider.
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Every one can debate and argue about the neck braces but from experience I have had, I will not disagree or agree. Couple times I am glad I had it on and only once I had wished I didn't. Given the choice, I will always choose to wear it.

As for what Hughes said, he is an idiot and unpassionate for what has happened to that athelete.
4/3/2013 4:45pm
Maybe Ryno completely made this up because nothing has actually came out about the incident?!?!
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4/3/2013 4:56pm
Nobody got paralyzed. If someone did, it would be all over twitter, facebook, Racer X, Vital, etc...
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4/3/2013 5:39pm
4/3/2013 5:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 6:00pm
The mystery rider probably wouldn't have even crashed if he was wearing one of Ryno's stability bracelets. His infared rays probably weren't balanced.

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4/3/2013 6:10pm
I love how my posts were deleted, I WASNT TRYING TO STIR UP SHIT!!

Im not even going to bother debating with the neck brace topic..there is no proof it works and no proof it doesnt...hmmmm
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4/3/2013 7:07pm
No one wants to feel like they wasted 350 bucks on a Leatt, by the looks of it.
We have a winner!!!!!!

Those of us questioning them since almost the beginning have been called every name in the book. The people who claim the reason they are walking today is because of the brace while well meaning and I'm sure they believe it 100% have zero proof to back up their belief. You can't prove something that didn't happen.
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4/3/2013 7:36pm
No one wants to feel like they wasted 350 bucks on a Leatt, by the looks of it.
RandyS wrote:
We have a winner!!!!!! Those of us questioning them since almost the beginning have been called every name in the book. The people who claim the...
We have a winner!!!!!!

Those of us questioning them since almost the beginning have been called every name in the book. The people who claim the reason they are walking today is because of the brace while well meaning and I'm sure they believe it 100% have zero proof to back up their belief. You can't prove something that didn't happen.
I highly doubt it has anything to do with $Blink

There is no scientific evidence that says whether a neck brace can help you or not, so in that case it becomes an opinion. As RV said in a recent interview if there is even a small chance it will help, why not wear it. David Bailey and Doc Bodnar have both recommended them, and many people have said that their doctors have said that they definitely helped them. Seems like that's at least as strong as Ryno's anti neck brace stance.
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4/3/2013 7:44pm
RandyS wrote:
We have a winner!!!!!! Those of us questioning them since almost the beginning have been called every name in the book. The people who claim the...
We have a winner!!!!!!

Those of us questioning them since almost the beginning have been called every name in the book. The people who claim the reason they are walking today is because of the brace while well meaning and I'm sure they believe it 100% have zero proof to back up their belief. You can't prove something that didn't happen.
Wow. This post has left me speechless.
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4/3/2013 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 7:51pm
"Wow. This post has left me speechless. "

You spent $350 didn't you.

Unless you were referring to my grammar and sentence structure which I'll agree is horrible on this post. In which case I am sorry.
4/3/2013 8:07pm
OK maybe Ryno is a lil slow. It was posted April 2.
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4/3/2013 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 8:21pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I highly doubt it has anything to do with $:blink: There is no scientific evidence that says whether a neck brace can help you or not...
I highly doubt it has anything to do with $Blink

There is no scientific evidence that says whether a neck brace can help you or not, so in that case it becomes an opinion. As RV said in a recent interview if there is even a small chance it will help, why not wear it. David Bailey and Doc Bodnar have both recommended them, and many people have said that their doctors have said that they definitely helped them. Seems like that's at least as strong as Ryno's anti neck brace stance.
David Bailey NEVER endorsed the Leatt brace, ever.
In the video he said it's a start and it's about time someone started doing something, but he never explicitly endorsed the Leatt Brace, even though its been portrayed that way.
He complimented the idea, the concept, the fact that someone was looking at a potential resolution, but he never directly endorsed any brand.

That said, like RandyS, I have questioned their claims and mostly questioned the constant claims of "it save my/my son's life" when there is no way to prove such and to accept such a claim one would have to accept that riders died in every crash or every crash daily.
There were a few of us on here who didn't immediately jump on the bandwagon wholeheartedly, and we were called many names and viciously attacked because we didn't.
My predictions have come true, that as time went by, better, more refined versions have come along, and I believe that in time, they'll become even more refined, but I did not endorse the idea of being a corporate test dummy for $600 a pop back when they were $600+.
Some protection is better than no protection, I agree with that, but IMO, far too many people depend or believe far too much in something that can't be proven, it's truly a leap of faith.
"I believe it will save my life, therefore when I crashed, it did save my life" and that is the only actual data.
"I believe, therefore it does"

If you want to wear one, feel free. If it makes you feel better, great, but over the years I have seen people attack others for not wearing one or forcing their kids to wear one, and that's bullshit, because your faith in the product doesn't outweigh the lack of faith someone else holds.

Standardize some form of testing by independent labs, where the effectiveness of each brand can be measured against another, as well as against no protection, and I'll reconsider, but as it is now, it's the wild west of neck braces and people can only look at it and purely guess on which they think will protect the best.

and think of this, if their effectiveness was so certain, so definitive, why aren't they mandated in racing, like boots or helmet?
4/3/2013 8:31pm
The mystery rider probably wouldn't have even crashed if he was wearing one of Ryno's stability bracelets. His infared rays probably weren't balanced. [img]http://rynopower287.corecommerce.com/images/products/269.jpg[/img]
The mystery rider probably wouldn't have even crashed if he was wearing one of Ryno's stability bracelets. His infared rays probably weren't balanced.

Laughing

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