Holiday Inn Express: Official Hotel of Vital MX Posters

jskmyirch wrote:

Guy B, I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking...

Guy B,

I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking about concussions it is a very serious deal and if there can't be a discussion regarding concussions that is a sad state. I am sure you can understand why some people have the opinion they do in regards to that crash and you should be able to respect that as I respect your opinion. Since you are poking fun at the posters here on vital I would expect you to tell Chad Reed and Jason Thomas that there opinion is a joke as well. Anyways my two cents which means very little in the grand scheme of things .

Regis wrote:

I think Chad Reed, who I am a huge fan of and think is "the man", is being a little hypocritical. If Zach Bell should not...

I think Chad Reed, who I am a huge fan of and think is "the man", is being a little hypocritical.


If Zach Bell should not have continued, neither should he have at Millville where he laid motionless for the same amount of time.


The point is, EVERYONE can have an opinion and that's cool, but unless you were the one to get to him, assess him and know exactly why he was cleared to ride..... It is wrong to say the wrong decision was made from what you only saw on TV or from the sideline.

Regis wrote:

I think Chad Reed, who I am a huge fan of and think is "the man", is being a little hypocritical. If Zach Bell should not...

I think Chad Reed, who I am a huge fan of and think is "the man", is being a little hypocritical.


If Zach Bell should not have continued, neither should he have at Millville where he laid motionless for the same amount of time.


The point is, EVERYONE can have an opinion and that's cool, but unless you were the one to get to him, assess him and know exactly why he was cleared to ride..... It is wrong to say the wrong decision was made from what you only saw on TV or from the sideline.

jskmyirch wrote:

I never said it was the wrong decision, I can though understand why people are questioning that decision. In regards to Chad Reed, it would be...

I never said it was the wrong decision, I can though understand why people are questioning that decision. In regards to Chad Reed, it would be interesting to here is opinion on whether he should have been allowed to finish that millville race. I was there at that race at I couldn't believe he got back on that bike that day. The crowd cheering him on was incredible. I definetly don't have the answers but I do think the more dialogue the better on this issue.

jskmyirch wrote:

Guy B, I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking...

Guy B,

I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking about concussions it is a very serious deal and if there can't be a discussion regarding concussions that is a sad state. I am sure you can understand why some people have the opinion they do in regards to that crash and you should be able to respect that as I respect your opinion. Since you are poking fun at the posters here on vital I would expect you to tell Chad Reed and Jason Thomas that there opinion is a joke as well. Anyways my two cents which means very little in the grand scheme of things .

GuyB wrote:

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of...

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of the medical staff who were there and are there every weekend, and who talked to him and assessed him, over those of the people who watched it on TV.

As far as discussion, there's no shortage of it. I just think some of it happens to be as valuable as the opinion of someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

For the record, I stayed at the Park Inn in Irving.

jskmyirch wrote:

Guy B, I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking...

Guy B,

I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking about concussions it is a very serious deal and if there can't be a discussion regarding concussions that is a sad state. I am sure you can understand why some people have the opinion they do in regards to that crash and you should be able to respect that as I respect your opinion. Since you are poking fun at the posters here on vital I would expect you to tell Chad Reed and Jason Thomas that there opinion is a joke as well. Anyways my two cents which means very little in the grand scheme of things .

GuyB wrote:

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of...

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of the medical staff who were there and are there every weekend, and who talked to him and assessed him, over those of the people who watched it on TV.

As far as discussion, there's no shortage of it. I just think some of it happens to be as valuable as the opinion of someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

For the record, I stayed at the Park Inn in Irving.

jskmyirch wrote:

Guy B, I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking...

Guy B,

I understand how you can get annoyed with vital posters at times and I normally would agree with you. However when you are talking about concussions it is a very serious deal and if there can't be a discussion regarding concussions that is a sad state. I am sure you can understand why some people have the opinion they do in regards to that crash and you should be able to respect that as I respect your opinion. Since you are poking fun at the posters here on vital I would expect you to tell Chad Reed and Jason Thomas that there opinion is a joke as well. Anyways my two cents which means very little in the grand scheme of things .

GuyB wrote:

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of...

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of the medical staff who were there and are there every weekend, and who talked to him and assessed him, over those of the people who watched it on TV.

As far as discussion, there's no shortage of it. I just think some of it happens to be as valuable as the opinion of someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

For the record, I stayed at the Park Inn in Irving.

jskmyirch wrote:

I totally get why you would have the opinion you do and I don't think you are dumb. Which obviously with your sarcasm you inferred I...

I totally get why you would have the opinion you do and I don't think you are dumb. Which obviously with your sarcasm you inferred I am dumb for maybe having a slightly different opinion. Funny thing is I was watching the race with my wife who is an MD and right after the crash she said they would probably let him race based on her past experiences watching supercross and I said no way they are trained professionals that have more regulations behind this now. I was embarassed for the sport when I saw him lineup for the LCQ. After hearing that he passed the concussion tests and that they didn't think he was knocked out I totally get now why they let him race. Does it change my opinion that he should not have raced? Not necessarily. But like you said I only watched on T.V. and I am stupid. Thanks for the lecture.

pilotdude wrote:

You are quite possibly correct-maybe Chad Reed SHOULDN'T have continued or been allowed to continue that day. And maybe since he went through that experience a...

You are quite possibly correct-maybe Chad Reed SHOULDN'T have continued or been allowed to continue that day. And maybe since he went through that experience a year and a half ago, his opinion should be taken quite seriously rather than just blown off as being "hypocritical." Maybe the same could be said of Jason Thomas, Kyle Chisolm, Greg Albertyn, Dean Wilson, and all the other top riders who are questioning his being allowed to get back out on the track. Maybe the same could be said for the old school dudes like jmar and flarider who have voiced the same opinions after seeing the crash and so many others before.

And maybe this isn't a big dark conspiracy against the medical team. Maybe these people are saying that between what everyone saw in the violence of that crash it would have been best for the group around him to stop him from riding again.

And maybe those of us on Vital MX who bring decades of racing experience as riders and fans, don't appreciate at all being insulted by fanatics who apparently have egos run amok and the establishment to defend tell us that despite seeing with our own eyes in HD a kid fall on his head from some 20 feet in the air while flying forward, it isn't possible the kid was knocked out because the kid said so on Twitter and the medical team that arrived at his side after some time had passed said so.

Nah. I'm sure all those people are just "wrong" because you say they are wrong and WANT them to be wrong.

Carry on. It's pretty obvious there is nothing anyone can say to you at this point that would make any difference. On a separate note, I can't wait to tell the 30+ year ER doc who watched the crash with me that he has been labeled a "Holliday Inn Express" case for saying there was no way he would have let his kid-or any rider-back out racing that night.

mooch wrote:

Guyb your motto on posting has related to members working towards higher quality posts...which is a good way of attempting to set the bar higher. So...

Guyb your motto on posting has related to members working towards higher quality posts...which is a good way of attempting to set the bar higher.

So here, you start a thread that blatantly mocks a good number of board members who happen to be on one side of a recent controversy (apparently the wrong side based on this thread's message). So, I guess these Holiday Inn Express vids should be considered "quality" stuff deserving of it's own thread or did that bar just drop a bit?

mooch wrote:

Guyb your motto on posting has related to members working towards higher quality posts...which is a good way of attempting to set the bar higher. So...

Guyb your motto on posting has related to members working towards higher quality posts...which is a good way of attempting to set the bar higher.

So here, you start a thread that blatantly mocks a good number of board members who happen to be on one side of a recent controversy (apparently the wrong side based on this thread's message). So, I guess these Holiday Inn Express vids should be considered "quality" stuff deserving of it's own thread or did that bar just drop a bit?

GuyB wrote:

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of...

It was a horrid crash. Zach has tons of speed, but also has some really scary crashes. Call me dumb, but I'll take the opinion of the medical staff who were there and are there every weekend, and who talked to him and assessed him, over those of the people who watched it on TV.

As far as discussion, there's no shortage of it. I just think some of it happens to be as valuable as the opinion of someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

For the record, I stayed at the Park Inn in Irving.

jskmyirch wrote:

I totally get why you would have the opinion you do and I don't think you are dumb. Which obviously with your sarcasm you inferred I...

I totally get why you would have the opinion you do and I don't think you are dumb. Which obviously with your sarcasm you inferred I am dumb for maybe having a slightly different opinion. Funny thing is I was watching the race with my wife who is an MD and right after the crash she said they would probably let him race based on her past experiences watching supercross and I said no way they are trained professionals that have more regulations behind this now. I was embarassed for the sport when I saw him lineup for the LCQ. After hearing that he passed the concussion tests and that they didn't think he was knocked out I totally get now why they let him race. Does it change my opinion that he should not have raced? Not necessarily. But like you said I only watched on T.V. and I am stupid. Thanks for the lecture.

brocster wrote:

ok so based on your point of view (literally) what could those trained professionals have done differently than the barrage of educated test that they use...

ok so based on your point of view (literally) what could those trained professionals have done differently than the barrage of educated test that they use as to not allow him to race? oh! they should have doubted the test results and told him "NO" just becasue it looked like he was knocked out but that is not exactly what its written in the rule book. he was wearing a 6d helmet that obviously did it's job thanks to their educated R&D and by the way hitting your head is not the only way to end up unconcious. ever have the wind quickly exit your lungs from a sudden stop???? lights out.....


it is also nice to know that I no longer need to use google or yahoo as search engines for answers....vitalmx is one stop shopping to say the least.

BAMX wrote:

People have a hard time seperating their opinion from facts these days. Then they want to argue about it for 14 pages since that can't fathom...

People have a hard time seperating their opinion from facts these days. Then they want to argue about it for 14 pages since that can't fathom that there are other peoples opinions that may be valid.

vanillaice782 wrote:

Do you guys want some cheese with your wine?

WhKnuckle wrote:

I'm staying at the Holiday Inn Express tonight in Walnut Creek. I'll be back tomorrow to explain how the brain functions and how you can diagnose...

I'm staying at the Holiday Inn Express tonight in Walnut Creek. I'll be back tomorrow to explain how the brain functions and how you can diagnose a concussion from a recliner in front of the TV.