Any Specifics On The JS7 Clutch Failure?

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If I could wear that huge fluffy white hat I too would break things on my bike to speed up the clock towards beanie bliss
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2/17/2013 2:49pm
Great shame,at least he won practice Smile
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Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some...
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads, and I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.
Ha! Classic quote from a great movie...
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2/17/2013 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2013 4:45pm
fader418 wrote:
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you...
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you think of where a bike breaks on the line. Dungey and now Stew come to mind, both on that POS bike. I'm sorry but ever since Rog left that team has went downhill...
Where do you dorks come up with this shit?

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fader418 wrote:
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you...
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you think of where a bike breaks on the line. Dungey and now Stew come to mind, both on that POS bike. I'm sorry but ever since Rog left that team has went downhill...
No it wasn't you dork. Dungeys bike had a shock fail between the pits and the starting line this year...no?
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2/17/2013 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2013 5:19pm
fader418 wrote:
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you...
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you think of where a bike breaks on the line. Dungey and now Stew come to mind, both on that POS bike. I'm sorry but ever since Rog left that team has went downhill...
Both Honda and KTM have had multiple mechanicals, even more so than Suzuki. Hell Reed and Short both grenaded their motors in the same race outdoors. Suzuki has had: a chain derailed from bent guide- hard contact (A2), rock through the case (Daytona), fuel boiled/ran out of gas (Steel City??Unsure )...oh look HONDA ran out of gas with Metcalfe a year earlierWhistling , electrical/moisture issue (Southwick)....sounds like a rash of freak fluky incidents to me since those all happened the same year. RC, CR, and RD have all won titles with no issues on that "POS" team. How many Honda uni-cam engines have failed this year in SX?...I know Jake Canada and another privateer Lites rider had their uni-cam's grenade on live TV.
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Rupert X wrote:
Was it the cable ? The plates ? The basket ? Something secret we've never even heard of ? Is a factory Suzuki set-up ? Hinson...
Was it the cable ? The plates ? The basket ? Something secret we've never even heard of ? Is a factory Suzuki set-up ?

Hinson ? OEM ? Barnett Super-clutch package from Motosport ? Slipper clutch ? Rekluse ? Or, was it even the clutch ?

Seriously, just WHAT THE HELL is going on ? I want answers, dammit ANSWERS !!!
JW381 wrote:
Is that PIR?
Rupert X wrote:
Hell yeah it is. Does EVERY big city have a facility like PIR ten minutes from downtown ? Train accessible ? That joint is soooo badass.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/02/17/Portland_OREGON_2012_089_154734.JPG[/img]...
Hell yeah it is. Does EVERY big city have a facility like PIR ten minutes from downtown ?

Train accessible ?

That joint is soooo badass.
I love it, the dirt is primo. Hopefully I'll see the infamous Rup X there someday.
2/17/2013 6:52pm
I heard NASA asked Stewart not to ride because his raw speed was upsetting the earth's magnetic pull.
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Hmmm nvr seen any other pros up close but do they all start in 3rd gear like js7? I cooked a clutch trying that Smile lol but I'm sure they change clutches after the heat races surely?
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The timed practice is one thing. The heat race is another thing. The real race is the only one that counts, that's the one everyone is all out for. I said before here, I think not running in the summer hurt him, and I think he's hurting now. He didn't run that race race because he couldn't. I think, with his injury,he knows he couldn't keep up the pace to win, and chose not to ride. His reputation precedes him. He can't keep up with it anymore. He was called the fastest man on the planet. He hasn't been able to keep that title for 2 years. Sure it'll stick with him, but what does it do for him now? It's been crash after crash. So he wins a heat race, who cares. Everyone talks here about a Jlaw comeback. I think a JS comeback is about as likely.
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I get dummer and dummer every time I read this nonsense Dizzy
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Rupert X wrote:
Was it the cable ? The plates ? The basket ? Something secret we've never even heard of ? Is a factory Suzuki set-up ? Hinson...
Was it the cable ? The plates ? The basket ? Something secret we've never even heard of ? Is a factory Suzuki set-up ?

Hinson ? OEM ? Barnett Super-clutch package from Motosport ? Slipper clutch ? Rekluse ? Or, was it even the clutch ?

Seriously, just WHAT THE HELL is going on ? I want answers, dammit ANSWERS !!!
JW381 wrote:
Is that PIR?
Rupert X wrote:
Hell yeah it is. Does EVERY big city have a facility like PIR ten minutes from downtown ? Train accessible ? That joint is soooo badass.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/02/17/Portland_OREGON_2012_089_154734.JPG[/img]...
Hell yeah it is. Does EVERY big city have a facility like PIR ten minutes from downtown ?

Train accessible ?

That joint is soooo badass.
that place is awesome. wish we lived closer than 4 hrs away
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2/17/2013 8:03pm
fader418 wrote:
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you...
Thats exactly why Dungey left that POS team. Sure Milsaps is killing it but he is not on that team....I mean how many times can you think of where a bike breaks on the line. Dungey and now Stew come to mind, both on that POS bike. I'm sorry but ever since Rog left that team has went downhill...
malachi177 wrote:
Both Honda and KTM have had multiple mechanicals, even more so than Suzuki. Hell Reed and Short both grenaded their motors in the same race outdoors...
Both Honda and KTM have had multiple mechanicals, even more so than Suzuki. Hell Reed and Short both grenaded their motors in the same race outdoors. Suzuki has had: a chain derailed from bent guide- hard contact (A2), rock through the case (Daytona), fuel boiled/ran out of gas (Steel City??Unsure )...oh look HONDA ran out of gas with Metcalfe a year earlierWhistling , electrical/moisture issue (Southwick)....sounds like a rash of freak fluky incidents to me since those all happened the same year. RC, CR, and RD have all won titles with no issues on that "POS" team. How many Honda uni-cam engines have failed this year in SX?...I know Jake Canada and another privateer Lites rider had their uni-cam's grenade on live TV.
Dungey's broken shock almost ended the season and Short broke his arms when his EFI failed on Orange, or at least what I was told. Guess that means they are a POS too.
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TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
Give it up. You don't know shit other than being an armchair douchebag. Get the facts before spewing shit from your keyboard.
2/17/2013 8:40pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
How exactly did the bike transfer power if you rode "without" a clutch? Sounds made up.

To me it sounds like the clutch had a "spent" or "burned up" feeling to it. In other words, no power was getting to the ground. I dont think this was a case of him just not being able to disengage the clutch when going into a corner.
I could be wrong, I have no fucking idea as I was sitting on my couch watching it on my TV.
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2/17/2013 10:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2013 10:23pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
How exactly did the bike transfer power if you rode "without" a clutch? Sounds made up. To me it sounds like the clutch had a "spent"...
How exactly did the bike transfer power if you rode "without" a clutch? Sounds made up.

To me it sounds like the clutch had a "spent" or "burned up" feeling to it. In other words, no power was getting to the ground. I dont think this was a case of him just not being able to disengage the clutch when going into a corner.
I could be wrong, I have no fucking idea as I was sitting on my couch watching it on my TV.
I think you guys didn't read my last line. It was way more serious, and on a much higher scale, than anything I've dealt with. I was mainly confused as to why Stewart had his helmet off doing an interview before the race even starts, and his team wasn't even trying to fix the problem. I guess I'm different, but if that's me, I have my helmet on ready to go until they've completed a lap.
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TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
Give it up. You don't know shit other than being an armchair douchebag. Get the facts before spewing shit from your keyboard.
Wow. An internet bad ass. I'm fucking scared. You'd never say that to anyone's face, so how about you just shut the fuck up okay?
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2/17/2013 11:26pm
God the amount of dumb shit some of you people post is crazy.

The clutch wasn't working for what ever reason, simple as that. No fucking conspiracy theory.

If anyone honestly things James is scared to race some one, you have your head so far up your own ass you obviously missed the years he raced RC.

Mechanicals happen. Don't know why some of you guys cant comprehend that. Its like its unfathomable or something.
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2/18/2013 12:53am
Did James have his father on the line instead of the mechanic like he did for the heat? I couldn't watch the main, but in the heat I was kind of thinking that while it's good for James Sr's ego to be marching around looking 'mighty serious' in front of the cameras, when you get a mechanical a couple of minutes before the race and there's nobody there to fix it then it looks pretty unprofessional IMO.
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Rekluse.
He seems pretty outgoing to me.
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Rekluse.
CASH476 wrote:
He seems pretty outgoing to me.
True but his ranch is secluded.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
I get dummer and dummer every time I read this nonsense Dizzy
Me too. Getting harder and harder to enjoy this place.
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I really don't like to get involved but some of the dumb shit on this thread i feel i have to throw my thoughts into the ring.

The team is renown amongst the elite as one of-if not the best to race for.This is why guys choose to race the RMZ (for significantly less financial return)for the factory Suzuki team as its simply the best bike for that level of rider.period.

Ive worked for Mike Webb and factory Suzuki and im good personal friends with Lee so i know the effort these guys put in,trust me theyre 100%,be in no doubt about that.

There was obviously something broken that was simply not able to be fixed in the 2 mins you have,and with the distance to the pits your'e dealing with there only compounds the problem.

I DO NOT KNOW what happened but as a pure guess i'd say either the actuating arm (the piece the bottom of the cable attaches to) has broken or the bearing on the clutch pressure plate let go-both things are impossible to repair in time and impossible to foresee a failure like that.............shit happens i guess.

Why Lee wasn't on the line?I would GUESS James prefers his dad to be able to pep talk him before the race,there's no more to it than that.

Roger is a great team leader,of course- i worked with him for a year so i know that first hand but Mike Webb is also 100% committed and very knowledgeable without being self important at the same time.In my experience i wouldnt like to say one is better than the other if im honest and ive been a mechanic for both of them.

The other mechanicals,.....lets not forget these bikes are running at the very top of their capability's due to the production rule theyre not hand made specials for the pro guys but the same main components that anyone can buy and things fail,its the nature of the game and at the end of the day "its racing"
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docwob wrote:
I really don't like to get involved but some of the dumb shit on this thread i feel i have to throw my thoughts into the...
I really don't like to get involved but some of the dumb shit on this thread i feel i have to throw my thoughts into the ring.

The team is renown amongst the elite as one of-if not the best to race for.This is why guys choose to race the RMZ (for significantly less financial return)for the factory Suzuki team as its simply the best bike for that level of rider.period.

Ive worked for Mike Webb and factory Suzuki and im good personal friends with Lee so i know the effort these guys put in,trust me theyre 100%,be in no doubt about that.

There was obviously something broken that was simply not able to be fixed in the 2 mins you have,and with the distance to the pits your'e dealing with there only compounds the problem.

I DO NOT KNOW what happened but as a pure guess i'd say either the actuating arm (the piece the bottom of the cable attaches to) has broken or the bearing on the clutch pressure plate let go-both things are impossible to repair in time and impossible to foresee a failure like that.............shit happens i guess.

Why Lee wasn't on the line?I would GUESS James prefers his dad to be able to pep talk him before the race,there's no more to it than that.

Roger is a great team leader,of course- i worked with him for a year so i know that first hand but Mike Webb is also 100% committed and very knowledgeable without being self important at the same time.In my experience i wouldnt like to say one is better than the other if im honest and ive been a mechanic for both of them.

The other mechanicals,.....lets not forget these bikes are running at the very top of their capability's due to the production rule theyre not hand made specials for the pro guys but the same main components that anyone can buy and things fail,its the nature of the game and at the end of the day "its racing"
Great post. As a mechanic, would you prefer to be on the line with your rider, or have the rider's father there in your place?

To me it seems so amateur to have the Dad there. This isn't Hillbilly raceway on a Sunday afternoon. If the rider isn't motivated 30 seconds before the gate drops then he needs to look at himself, rather than replacing his mechanic with Daddy. Stewart is close to retirement, it's not his first race on a PW FFS.
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before i get into it let me emphanise this is MY OPINIONS and in NO WAY what i feel is anything to do with JS7 or Suzuki-in ANY WAY.

Me personally?i would prefer to be on hand as i think most mechanics would prefer to be there,i spent a lot of seasons on the line-15 as a mechanic and 11 as a goggle guy but its not un-common for the rider to prefer his father,brother or even manfreind to be there with him,
Its usually that they have a stronger bond with the manfreind or father than the mechanic-they know if the guy needs firing up or calming down-especially i feel since the box-van days its less the "its you and me versus the world" attitude than nowedays when youre all working out of a semi and its a way more corporate feel to it all...the rider mechanic bond isnt as strong in my opinion.
the rider flies in,does the race usually hanging out in his motorhome and spending the days with his entorage then flies home and spends the week with his trainer and practice mechanic,a lot of days even the race mechanic wont go out testing with a rider if there's race bikes to build and the team have practice/back up mechanics to swap and change stuff at the test tracks-all the time i feel it dilutes the rider/mechanic bond.

Id guess leeroy wasnt far away,its not like he would have been sitting in the stands having a beer.
2/18/2013 6:58am
Another thing to consider is that to the truck and back at dallas is probably about a mile.
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2/18/2013 7:21am
TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
You've ridden that speed on a supercross track with no clutch? You're my hero then.

They weren't frantically trying to fix it because he said a clutch is not something they bring to the line. They would have had to take it apart, run to the truck, run back, put it back together, fill it with oil all in about 5 minutes tops.
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2/18/2013 7:44am
TDeath21 wrote:
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying...
I was so confused by that. James had his helmet completely off and was doing an interview while riders were lining up. His team wasn't trying frantically to fix the problem either. Remember Dungey at Southwick in 2011? He kept his helmet on, waited at the line, and his team was frantically trying to fix the bike right before the race. I just don't understand why James and his team gave up hope so quickly. You can ride without a clutch. I've done it several times. I just have to assume it was something serious that they knew with 100% certainty couldn't be fixed in time.
hasko158 wrote:
You've ridden that speed on a supercross track with no clutch? You're my hero then. They weren't frantically trying to fix it because he said a...
You've ridden that speed on a supercross track with no clutch? You're my hero then.

They weren't frantically trying to fix it because he said a clutch is not something they bring to the line. They would have had to take it apart, run to the truck, run back, put it back together, fill it with oil all in about 5 minutes tops.
Posted by me shortly after that first post:

It was way more serious, and on a much higher scale, than anything I've dealt with.

Just read a little farther into the thread and you wouldn't have had to type out this post.

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