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12/31/2012 2:44pm
My guy who straightened that mess out said that structurally, the welds and frame are fine. At 47 years in the trade, I'll take his word...
My guy who straightened that mess out said that structurally, the welds and frame are fine. At 47 years in the trade, I'll take his word. However, it's just such a hatchet job overall, is the real issue. I'm 270 plus in gear, and it's holding up okay, no cracks so far. The second I see one it's done. Actually been thinking of going back to my steel frame, this bike is physically too small at 6'6". It moves around a lot more under me than than it did as a 4-stroke, and it's hard to hang on to, being so narrow and small. Difference in the power characteristics, I suppose.
If you compare the critical dimensions of the rider cockpit, you'll find your '04 CRF frame is about as tall guy friendly as it gets, and much larger than any of the steel framed CR's.
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12/31/2012 4:34pm
Lol. Exactly Terry. I just happened to look over at my water heater one day as I was leaving the basement. I must have looked like...
Lol. Exactly Terry. I just happened to look over at my water heater one day as I was leaving the basement. I must have looked like Wile E Coyote as he watches the Roadrunner drop the hammer and disappear. Just shook my head.
I see WhoreGay, Monsieur Klein and MPSDaddy haven't bothered with a rebuttal. Huh. Perhaps they're gathering as we speak, considering all options and angles. Number 1 being, "Holy SHIT, we're going to get CRUCIFIED if we show up. Nice goin' George, you dumbass".
For comparison sakes, go to banned CR500riders.com, visit the AF section. Hit the Stoffers Racing sticky, he has pics of his work. Doesn't weld them himself, and openly says so, but check out THAT workmanship. CNC made mounts, etc:. THAT"S how the job is done properly! Slip, he's the guy I recommended to you. With good reason.
Even if MPS plasma cut out some plate for mounts that actually FIT, would be an improvement over the joke that I got. A 99 CR250 airboot and a plasma cut aluminum plate to take home with you to put on your own airbox. A little homework and R and D goes a long way in customer satisfaction, and your rep is intact. Adds a little in cost to the project, but each bike you send out carries the cost of stuff like that. Spread out over time and you recover it. That's the proper way of doing things.
I checked out his work on banned and than spoke to him on the phone for about a half hour. I got a real good vibe from him and he will be my guy to convert my almost new '05 CRF 250 chassis. Plus, I love that he is only about an hour and a half from me. He said he had just moved at the time and couldn't take on a new project for a few months, but I'm in no hurry, so I told him I'd touch base next spring and go from there.
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12/31/2012 7:10pm
wow it really sucks when shit like that happens, especially when the guy denies it. If you have the skills and tools that old saying sure rings true "if you want it done right, do it yourself"

completely off topic scoot but you said you drive trucks right? do you drive for yourself or a company?

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12/31/2012 7:40pm
slipdog wrote:
I checked out his work on banned and than spoke to him on the phone for about a half hour. I got a real good vibe...
I checked out his work on banned and than spoke to him on the phone for about a half hour. I got a real good vibe from him and he will be my guy to convert my almost new '05 CRF 250 chassis. Plus, I love that he is only about an hour and a half from me. He said he had just moved at the time and couldn't take on a new project for a few months, but I'm in no hurry, so I told him I'd touch base next spring and go from there.
My sarcasm detector is in need of a tune up, kinda bogging upon hard landings and acceleration..................not sure how to take thisHuh
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12/31/2012 7:51pm
if he started to back peddle..why did you go through with it?
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12/31/2012 7:54pm
Canadian built right?HA!
Sorry,just drunk on New Years Eve and don't give a shit
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12/31/2012 8:03pm
slipdog wrote:
I checked out his work on banned and than spoke to him on the phone for about a half hour. I got a real good vibe...
I checked out his work on banned and than spoke to him on the phone for about a half hour. I got a real good vibe from him and he will be my guy to convert my almost new '05 CRF 250 chassis. Plus, I love that he is only about an hour and a half from me. He said he had just moved at the time and couldn't take on a new project for a few months, but I'm in no hurry, so I told him I'd touch base next spring and go from there.
motofab36 wrote:
My sarcasm detector is in need of a tune up, kinda bogging upon hard landings and acceleration..................not sure how to take thisHuh
True statement... No sarcasm.

You just must have missed this part of his post

For comparison sakes, go to banned CR500riders.com, visit the AF section. Hit the Stoffers Racing sticky, he has pics of his work. Doesn't weld them himself, and openly says so, but check out THAT workmanship. CNC made mounts, etc:. THAT"S how the job is done properly! Slip, he's the guy I recommended to you. With good reason.


I was referring to Paul Stoffers, not MPS. Wink
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12/31/2012 8:06pm
motofab36 wrote:
My sarcasm detector is in need of a tune up, kinda bogging upon hard landings and acceleration..................not sure how to take thisHuh
Sounds like he's talking about Stoffers Racing.
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Scooter.....just some info on a local guy we have here. His name is Ian and has done a conversion 500cc bike in a newer alloy frame and it's one of the best conversions I have ever seen. It rivals SH.....which in my mind is the best you can get. Ian is also the best damn machinist I have ever seen. He owns IRP , which makes all the over sized disk brakes and so forth that find their way onto the Geico Honda team and so forth......and a bunch of other really cool shit. His welding on his frame looks like it came from the factory. And since he programs and builds his own gussets and so forth....they are a work of Art.

Here is Ians website and he helps out a ton of local NW moto dudes and sells some of his stuff to some really good race teams..>>>>> http://www.irp-llc.com/

Here is a write up here on Vital about his clicker system too >> http://www.vitalmx.com/product/feature/IRP-Clickers,2467

I've known Ian a long time......and I kid you not , he is the nest machinist I have ever seen.

BTW........Holy hell , I am in complete awe by looking at those pics you put up. I would of sued him for a new frame if it was me. That's complete bullshit.
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12/31/2012 8:14pm
oopsyBlush yes I read that earlier, just didnt pay attention to what you were quoting.
12/31/2012 9:01pm
what.the.fuck.is.that.shit.
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12/31/2012 11:05pm
I'll try this.
1. MIKEY: Yes I drive,and I own my own truck, leased to a company in Alberta hauling crude oil.

2. Steven: Enjoy, it's New Years. Tomorrow, hopefully you'll give a shit. About the hangover you'll have. Laughing

3. Hando: I've asked myself that numerous times, and I guess all I can say is, despite my misgivings on this, I wanted an AF. I was prepared to put up with a little aggravation to get that bike. George is not the first person I've done business with that I didn't necessarily like, but it went the way it did. I doubt he will be the LAST, either. Had I had ANY idea the quality would suck so bad, the deal would never have happened. Should have let rationale override emotion, I guess. Dry I'm 50. Life goes on, and this was one more lesson. Not my most expensive either.

4. Thanks jeffro, I'll check out his site later today when I'm out of bed. Where I'll be shortly. Lol. Met Paul just under 2 years ago, chatted on the phone with him last week. Super cool guy. Plenty of guys out there who do quality work in their garage. Monsieur George Fellatio isn't one of them.

5. mynewcr: Lol. Exactly.

On the upside, I can use this experience to let others know in advance to avoid the mans work. Maybe this will save someone a serious injury.

Happy New Year, lads. I'm out. (and sober)
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1/1/2013 2:27am
Happy new year big fella!

Cheers from Sweden!
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Anyone have any feedback on the 2004 Service Honda Limited Edition. It's the one where SH stuffed the CR500 into a CR125 with KYB suspension. There's one for sale here locally.
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Cam, it seems to me one of the mags did a write up on that bike years ago, with David Baileys younger brother riding it. (Transworld, maybe?) Thought it was great, if I recall. I think Yota has one, a few guys on banned have them, and I rode one. Two huge thumbs up from me. The one I rode had motor mods on it that would leave a stocker in the dust, but still an agile weapon in the woods. If you're thinking about buying it, go for it!
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I'm toying with the idea, but I'm space limited right now. The '04 LE here still has it's gun metal rims, but the original white shrouds and seat have been replaced with stock red stuff. Guy's asking $5,800, which doesn't seem too bad compared to a new one.
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The price doesnt seem bad, but since they're a one off, I've seen them all over. If it's nice, it's probably worth it. You would keep it forever anyway, so it's kind of justified spending it. I may be biased, though. Lol. I'd make the space, even if the dog had to go. You can get another dog anytime. Woohoo Laughing
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The problem is I don't have anything I want to purge, so I'd have to hit up a buddy with extra garage space.

What I'm thinking is that the '04 LE would be a good ride for our local vintage club's decade class in 2014. I haven't ridden a CR500 since 1987 and that bike was a top fuel dragster that pumped my arms in one lap. Riding it like a 125 definitely wasn't the hot set-up. My riding style has changed since then. I tend to short shift and lug my bikes after 10 years on 450's, so I think a 500 might work for me now.
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1/1/2013 7:19am
That's how I ride mine, and it is the hot ticket. It's only as brutal a power delivery as you make it, and it's all in the right wrist. Thing is though, when you line it up and pull the trigger, it's a thrill ride no 450 can match. That's usually well into the season for me, though. I remember your story about racing that bike and how you weren't disappointed when it was stolen. Says it all. Lol.
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1/1/2013 7:28am
It's funny you remember my '87 CR500 story. I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. That bike lasted exactly 13 days before it got ripped off. The '87 CR250 that replaced it was great and I still regret selling that one.
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Lol. Ya I remember shit that has absolutely NO meaning in my life whatsoever. The Canadian RainMan. I never rode one, but word is those 87 CR250s were the best, and the forks were phenomonal. About 15 years before you heard "CR250" and "phenomonal forks" in the same sentence again.
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1/1/2013 9:49am
I also have a head full of useless trivia stored in my long term memory. It's the short term memory that seems to be going fast.

BTW, I'm going to take a look at the '04 CR500AF LE this afternoon. The owner says he has all the original white plastic/seat that are in excellent shape. I'll post some pics if I bring it home.
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1/1/2013 9:57am
Awesome. Spend the money, you won't regret it. Cool
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BAMX wrote:
It definitely makes a Service honda look like a masterpiece.
TerryK wrote:
That's because SH bikes ARE a masterpiece.
Service Honda builds crap too.......



This is a old image, and they have cleaned up their program a bit.... but they still build them the same crappy way.

This is a example of how Paul Stoffers builds them





I'm Bob, and I own www.bannedcr500riders.com and have built A/F conversions personally, and have overseen many others..... Paul is the only guy I can recommend. Full cradle replacement, quality hardware and welding.... all done in house.

I remember years ago when MPS first started. They would put rags over their welds and hardware on the eBay auctions saying they were hiding their " propritary hardware and assembly methods". Nope, they were hiding crap, and here they are years later and still cant build a quality bike.

Too bad, so sad.......
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1/1/2013 2:21pm
That is a night and day difference Cool
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1/1/2013 3:24pm
scooter5002, you have your little thread and to be honest its not right what you are doing. So you are showing pictures of your altered frame.

Do people know that the pictures you are showing are really the before frame or the altered frame. You have stated on other sites that you did not have time to take pictures of the frame George did for you before you had somebody modify his work. So now you are posting pictrues of your modified frame that has seen several hands since George has last worked on it.

Now I have had my problems with Goeorge but he has always picked up the phone and made it right. Do people know here that this crusade you have with George is over three years old.

Do people here know that he has made multiple atempts to make this right with you, but you choose to do this. If you were in the United States could be liable for slander and defermation of charachter. If you were to loose your case you would have to pay george for every last sale you have costed his company and the profit and overhead associated with his loss.

In the Untied States you have to either let a contactor fix their mistakes before you can hold them liable. You sir have not done this, and it has been offered to you.

Just let it go.
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1/1/2013 3:25pm
BAMX wrote:
It definitely makes a Service honda look like a masterpiece.
TerryK wrote:
That's because SH bikes ARE a masterpiece.
AlisoBob wrote:
Service Honda builds crap too....... [img]http://i16.tinypic.com/688xp8g.jpg[/img] This is a old image, and they have cleaned up their program a bit.... but they still build them the...
Service Honda builds crap too.......



This is a old image, and they have cleaned up their program a bit.... but they still build them the same crappy way.

This is a example of how Paul Stoffers builds them





I'm Bob, and I own www.bannedcr500riders.com and have built A/F conversions personally, and have overseen many others..... Paul is the only guy I can recommend. Full cradle replacement, quality hardware and welding.... all done in house.

I remember years ago when MPS first started. They would put rags over their welds and hardware on the eBay auctions saying they were hiding their " propritary hardware and assembly methods". Nope, they were hiding crap, and here they are years later and still cant build a quality bike.

Too bad, so sad.......
That is what I was implying with my sarcastic masterpiece remark. Since, I didn't have photos of my buddy's bike I didn't want to get into it with guys like TerryK. The Paul Stoffer work on the otherhand looks quality kind of like what I thought my friend would get from Service Honda.
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1/1/2013 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 1/1/2013 7:55pm
Awesome. Spend the money, you won't regret it. Cool
I looked at the '04 CR500AF LE. The bike is good shape with about 30 hours on it. The seller has all the paperwork and I learned that the suspension was set up for about 165lb rider. I'm about 215 so it would require a re-spring and re-valve to work for me. He wants $5,400, but I would have to put another $800 in the suspension. Not sure it's worth $6,200 considering I saw a real '09 500AF, that was set up for 210lb, stall on ebay at $5,100.

BTW, all the SH welds looked excellent.

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