Will RC's 2nd in wins fall this season

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Edited Date/Time 12/24/2012 11:27am
Well, after watching the SX preview show, I hadn't realized how close JS and Reed were to RC in SX wins. Do you all think JS is going to match or pass RC this season. Possible, but to pass he'll need 5 and I can't see that happening with this deep of a field. Reed, I'll bet won't pass it this season and this may be his last. However, with JS having a two year deal, he may very well pass RC by next year. On the other hand, MC's record is gonna be safe for some time to come.
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12/23/2012 7:31am
James will beat that record by the 8th round....
12/23/2012 7:34am
I didn't watch the show, how far off is stew and reed from the record?
12/23/2012 7:44am
RC is at 48

Stewart is at 44 and Reed is at 41.
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12/23/2012 7:47am
Jeremy McGRATH 72
Ricky CARMICHAEL 48
James Stewart 44
Chad REED 41

I think RC is safe this year.

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12/23/2012 7:59am
Man, that is a great question ... Stewart on his Suz will at least tie RC this season. imo.
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12/23/2012 7:59am
People have short memorys how good James really is...and even if he crashed out of a few (he wont) he would still beat RC's record...
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12/23/2012 8:03am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 8:03am
RC will fall to 3rd on that list by season's end.
12/23/2012 8:26am
Thats such a hard call with such a stacked field.
I say RC is safe this year. James is unreal fast but I think the other top 5 riders are just as fast as him now. I don't think James can mentally handle having to battle for wins.
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12/23/2012 8:44am
Yeah forsure he will beat it.
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12/23/2012 9:17am
Wow and some people on here almost convinced me JS doesn't know how to race supercross. I guess the guy is actually pretty good on bikes.
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12/23/2012 9:44am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 9:46am
fader418 wrote:
People have short memorys how good James really is...and even if he crashed out of a few (he wont) he would still beat RC's record...
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year and a folded leg in 2010...hows that for longterm. 5 wins, while entirely possible for Stewart is no easy feat like you claim...here are the facts once the field deepened and RV matured-

2010 Stewart had 1 win (RV 7)
2011 Stewart had 5 wins (RV 6)
2012 Stewart had 2 wins (RV 9)
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12/23/2012 9:54am
Don't see it happening, too many top riders right now, will be a fight each week just for a podium.
12/23/2012 10:03am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 10:04am
Lets see how the first race goes. Seasons could end in the first turn, who knows. But i see 5 wins out of 17 rounds a possibility.
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12/23/2012 10:11am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 10:12am
I think Starts will be huge this year more so than ever- If Barcia can keep getting starts like in the past he could play a new role or obstacle in all of this. 17 rounds but many (6or more?) potential winners or roadblocks for winners tough year for record books IMO
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12/23/2012 10:21am
Stewart may beat RCs SX wins but it will take 2 seasons to do it and if he does it will be his crowning achievement because there aren't any other records in his future. With the comp, the best I can see him doing is 4 wins and that's a long shot.
12/23/2012 10:29am
If he doesn't fall of he will beat it, i hope he can have a healthy season and shut all the haters up because James Stewart Can and will be everyone(no falls)
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12/23/2012 10:49am
fader418 wrote:
People have short memorys how good James really is...and even if he crashed out of a few (he wont) he would still beat RC's record...
Cook441 wrote:
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year...
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year and a folded leg in 2010...hows that for longterm. 5 wins, while entirely possible for Stewart is no easy feat like you claim...here are the facts once the field deepened and RV matured-

2010 Stewart had 1 win (RV 7)
2011 Stewart had 5 wins (RV 6)
2012 Stewart had 2 wins (RV 9)
I noticed the wins for Stewart went down dramatically after a healthy RV showed up to the line.

BUT.....I'm pulling for James to do really well this season. And I bet we see a super fast and comfortable James on that Suzuki as well. "IF" he can keep it on two wheels.......I think this will be his best year in a long time.
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12/23/2012 10:51am
fader418 wrote:
People have short memorys how good James really is...and even if he crashed out of a few (he wont) he would still beat RC's record...


In a minute some people are going to say he's the favorite to win the championship ....

James is getting worse and worse every year. 2009 was his last good year. In 2011 he won some but crashed a lot! 2012 was even worse ... And if you think it's the yamaha fault, than what happened during the outdoors on a suzuki? Indeed ...

However, logic doesn't count in the world of the vitards ...
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12/23/2012 10:52am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 10:56am
fader418 wrote:
People have short memorys how good James really is...and even if he crashed out of a few (he wont) he would still beat RC's record...
Cook441 wrote:
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year...
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year and a folded leg in 2010...hows that for longterm. 5 wins, while entirely possible for Stewart is no easy feat like you claim...here are the facts once the field deepened and RV matured-

2010 Stewart had 1 win (RV 7)
2011 Stewart had 5 wins (RV 6)
2012 Stewart had 2 wins (RV 9)
jeffro503 wrote:
I noticed the wins for Stewart went down dramatically after a healthy RV showed up to the line. BUT.....I'm pulling for James to do really well...
I noticed the wins for Stewart went down dramatically after a healthy RV showed up to the line.

BUT.....I'm pulling for James to do really well this season. And I bet we see a super fast and comfortable James on that Suzuki as well. "IF" he can keep it on two wheels.......I think this will be his best year in a long time.
Or went down dramatically after Yamaha gave him backwards facing engine miracle. He had more than ten in 2009 with RV on a lineup. Izzi said Yamaha found some solutions to the frame during this years Nationals.
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12/23/2012 10:57am
fader418 wrote:
James will beat that record by the 8th round....
You need to stay off the crack. No way that happens. As Matthes would say "Stamp it"
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12/23/2012 11:46am
I thought this might be a good topic. It shouldn't seem too difficult for James to get 4 to tie, but man, the field this year is incredible, and add to the fact that the tracks are less technical and more high speed, a poor start is gonna doom a few riders this year.
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12/23/2012 12:13pm
Cook441 wrote:
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year...
Villopoto has man handled everyone over the last three years coming away with the MOST wins for all three even with an ACL tear last year and a folded leg in 2010...hows that for longterm. 5 wins, while entirely possible for Stewart is no easy feat like you claim...here are the facts once the field deepened and RV matured-

2010 Stewart had 1 win (RV 7)
2011 Stewart had 5 wins (RV 6)
2012 Stewart had 2 wins (RV 9)
jeffro503 wrote:
I noticed the wins for Stewart went down dramatically after a healthy RV showed up to the line. BUT.....I'm pulling for James to do really well...
I noticed the wins for Stewart went down dramatically after a healthy RV showed up to the line.

BUT.....I'm pulling for James to do really well this season. And I bet we see a super fast and comfortable James on that Suzuki as well. "IF" he can keep it on two wheels.......I think this will be his best year in a long time.
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Or went down dramatically after Yamaha gave him backwards facing engine miracle. He had more than ten in 2009 with RV on a lineup. Izzi said...
Or went down dramatically after Yamaha gave him backwards facing engine miracle. He had more than ten in 2009 with RV on a lineup. Izzi said Yamaha found some solutions to the frame during this years Nationals.
Ha your using 2009 to make a point...Ever watch RC flounder his 1st year on bigs? A pudgey RV showed up struggling and disappeared 1/2 way through due to illness only to return to the series somehow stronger and beat a smoking fast JS twice stealing two wins from James by not only matching his speed but being faster on the stopwatch :0 (which was UNHEARD of back then even Reed would search for a tenth or two). In doing so RV seemed to be announcing himself to the world, his fans, the stewart camp and himself as a force to be reckoned with, and with him he brings a whole new crew of kids and confidence....many like you were in denial initially, some obviously still are and the reasons/excuses are many and tiring ...in the end the numbers are what they are my friend....the level has risen and getting 5 wins for anyone is gonna be hard. In 2009 he had hard fought battles with one guy often times coming out on top for most the series...now there are more than a handful of these guys that can trade paint, squeeze every possible tenth out of the track, get good starts and most importantly believe they can win ...yellow can't fix that-
12/23/2012 2:41pm
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Ha your using 2009 to make a point...Ever watch RC flounder his 1st year on bigs? A pudgey RV showed up struggling and disappeared 1/2 way...
Ha your using 2009 to make a point...Ever watch RC flounder his 1st year on bigs? A pudgey RV showed up struggling and disappeared 1/2 way through due to illness only to return to the series somehow stronger and beat a smoking fast JS twice stealing two wins from James by not only matching his speed but being faster on the stopwatch :0 (which was UNHEARD of back then even Reed would search for a tenth or two). In doing so RV seemed to be announcing himself to the world, his fans, the stewart camp and himself as a force to be reckoned with, and with him he brings a whole new crew of kids and confidence....many like you were in denial initially, some obviously still are and the reasons/excuses are many and tiring ...in the end the numbers are what they are my friend....the level has risen and getting 5 wins for anyone is gonna be hard. In 2009 he had hard fought battles with one guy often times coming out on top for most the series...now there are more than a handful of these guys that can trade paint, squeeze every possible tenth out of the track, get good starts and most importantly believe they can win ...yellow can't fix that-
I've already made this argument, and I'm not sure what your response was or even if you responded, but here it is again:

In Seattle in '09 Stewart got a shit start and was coming through traffic when RV got the fast lap on him. Alessi actually had a substantially faster fastest lap than Ryan that race (!), and I don't think anyone thought that was Mike "announcing himself to the world." In Vegas Stewart was riding cautiously, bringing the title home. Reed also had a faster lap than Stewart that night, as he did several other races throughout the year as well, so it wasn't exactly unheard of. I'm telling you guys, Carmichael would've gotten his butt handed to him all year by those two dudes. Cheerful

I agree it won't be easy for anyone to get 5 or more wins, although RV definitely has the best shot. The Stewzuki combo could potentially render James faster and more comfortable than he was in 2011, in which he won 5 races and crashed with the lead in 5 more. If this happens, the JS/RV showdown will be epic. On the other side of the coin, like you said, Cook, I can't see the Suzuki just glossing over ALL JS's problems. His wreck at Houston this year was a really nasty piece of work, and looked like a Stewart problem more than a Yamaha problem. Ditto his (second) Unadilla crash - he was just plainly over his head through that section.

In conclusion, it was obvious enough after only the first round this year that it was gonna be a looong season for Stewart, so I guess we'll see what's what soon enough.
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12/23/2012 2:51pm
I don't think he'll get five wins this year. The field is just too stacked. I think he will pass up RC in 2014. By the time it's all said and done, Villopoto might be the one who is 2nd all time.
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12/23/2012 3:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 3:33pm
Cook441 wrote:
Ha your using 2009 to make a point...Ever watch RC flounder his 1st year on bigs? A pudgey RV showed up struggling and disappeared 1/2 way...
Ha your using 2009 to make a point...Ever watch RC flounder his 1st year on bigs? A pudgey RV showed up struggling and disappeared 1/2 way through due to illness only to return to the series somehow stronger and beat a smoking fast JS twice stealing two wins from James by not only matching his speed but being faster on the stopwatch :0 (which was UNHEARD of back then even Reed would search for a tenth or two). In doing so RV seemed to be announcing himself to the world, his fans, the stewart camp and himself as a force to be reckoned with, and with him he brings a whole new crew of kids and confidence....many like you were in denial initially, some obviously still are and the reasons/excuses are many and tiring ...in the end the numbers are what they are my friend....the level has risen and getting 5 wins for anyone is gonna be hard. In 2009 he had hard fought battles with one guy often times coming out on top for most the series...now there are more than a handful of these guys that can trade paint, squeeze every possible tenth out of the track, get good starts and most importantly believe they can win ...yellow can't fix that-
I've already made this argument, and I'm not sure what your response was or even if you responded, but here it is again: In Seattle in...
I've already made this argument, and I'm not sure what your response was or even if you responded, but here it is again:

In Seattle in '09 Stewart got a shit start and was coming through traffic when RV got the fast lap on him. Alessi actually had a substantially faster fastest lap than Ryan that race (!), and I don't think anyone thought that was Mike "announcing himself to the world." In Vegas Stewart was riding cautiously, bringing the title home. Reed also had a faster lap than Stewart that night, as he did several other races throughout the year as well, so it wasn't exactly unheard of. I'm telling you guys, Carmichael would've gotten his butt handed to him all year by those two dudes. Cheerful

I agree it won't be easy for anyone to get 5 or more wins, although RV definitely has the best shot. The Stewzuki combo could potentially render James faster and more comfortable than he was in 2011, in which he won 5 races and crashed with the lead in 5 more. If this happens, the JS/RV showdown will be epic. On the other side of the coin, like you said, Cook, I can't see the Suzuki just glossing over ALL JS's problems. His wreck at Houston this year was a really nasty piece of work, and looked like a Stewart problem more than a Yamaha problem. Ditto his (second) Unadilla crash - he was just plainly over his head through that section.

In conclusion, it was obvious enough after only the first round this year that it was gonna be a looong season for Stewart, so I guess we'll see what's what soon enough.
Great points made but remeber Seattle 2009 was the alleged first time james had been beat when he didn't fall (which was incorrect because of RC in Canada) but at that point even Reed had not done this...second Seattle was supposed to be rainy so it was dumped with sand...making it fast and rough quickly- MA had clean almost mx style track that quickly got rough(just to give MA credit the 1st Glen Helen where RV moded everyone from way back....MA was fastest there too). Whatever you wanna say after that win I saw a bit more swagger to RV and to say James didn't try to catch RV in Vegas is laughs. James holeshoted and got a winners lead then reeled in by rv, After RV blew by him he tried to retaliate with a crazy quad almost ate shit and then realized then he would have to crash trying to catch RV and for once settled down...but make no mistake RV chased that sumbitch down when he was sprinting which I believe was also a first time he was "walked down" or whatever P calls it -my 2 cents....



Before that I think most guys didnt believe they could do it RV gave confidence to all kinds of guys and I believe that can make the difference-

RD came in next year and was right there damn near spanked him a1 2010 until he freaked out and started tightening up-

He was hauling on the zook but RD was all over him and closing in on him by 1/2 a second when he hit the colorado dirt.

The edge and or laws of physics were initially pushed by James, but now the others are braking just as late, gassing just as long scrubbing just as hard and able to do it over and over for 20 this is why they are landing on their head soo much because they have all pushed sooo hard to the edge.

Im not a hater but Iam not a delusional lover either saying it's gonna be easy for him he will not have 5 tenths a lap like the old days, thats a fact, what does it mean for championship, win goals? we will soon see- I think good starts willl equal wins and mean less hooligans to dick around with while riding an edge-
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12/23/2012 3:41pm
My money's on Reed before Stewart to pass RC's record.
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12/23/2012 4:16pm
2nd? so your saying ricky isn't the GOAT?
12/23/2012 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2012 5:34pm
@cook441

yeah, for sure RV was on a mission at Vegas. But, watching the video, Stewart's "winner's lead" was about 1.7 seconds at its greatest, halfway through the first lap, right before RV passed into 2nd started reeling him in. Ryan got up behind him and pressured (a probably very nervous) Stewart into trying to jump the quad (or huge triple) on the second lap, which he cased, resulting in the pass, and RV set sail from there. It looked like James resigned completely after the pass.

I'm not sure all the riders saw what Villopoto did as a breakthrough; as racerss they're probably well aware of Vegas championship jitters, just like they know about A1 jitters. If anything I'd say it was Dungey plus Stewart's injury in '10. He tried to race the round after he broke his wrist and ended up being beaten by Dungey and Hill, then pulled out. Then he came back for outdoors and Dungey smothered him. I think that's when James Stewart lost his bite, officially.

Like you said, starts are huge. Stewart had 'em last year and didn't this one. I wanna say the only two good starts he got he turned into wins, but I might be getting ahead of myself with that stat. Since starts are a matter of confidence, too, it could be that James just didn't have the confidence to holeshot. On the right bike, starts could come back. They seemed to outdoors, at least.
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12/23/2012 5:45pm
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2nd? so your saying ricky isn't the GOAT?
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12/23/2012 6:42pm
The only question I have is, what deep, dark crevices to you people crawl into when James Stewart wins races?

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