electrics bikes are getting better

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clearly a more talented rider than the majority and making it lok a lot easier, how much assistance the bike is...hmm, well. say whatever though it...
clearly a more talented rider than the majority and making it lok a lot easier, how much assistance the bike is...hmm, well. say whatever though it must be tricky in the muddy slopes not knowing when you are spinning etc - not a lot of noise.

all in all very very cool in my opinion.
rider ability definitely came into play but you're supposed to ride your level which I'm sure Trevor did but looks like fun, rode unreal amount of laps around hollister hills and yea it gets a little slick at time
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11/19/2012 11:18am
This is a good watch re electric bikes (I edited it..hah!).. apparently maintenance would be crazy minimal too.

https://youtu.be/Xi7EhYgHPX4

I think we'll see a massive backyard revolution once these things are dialled in, and lots of MTBers crossing over... like the mini bike fad but sustainable.
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11/19/2012 12:19pm
jtiger12 wrote:
15K? Shocked Sick
Yeah, but it costs a shitload less to maintain and operate. Not to mention that you don't need to buy parts to make it run better.

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According to the results for that event, this dude [b]DNF[/b]ed. [url=http://www.ama-d36.org/events/cross-country/?y=2012]http://www.ama-d36.org/events/cross-country/?y=2012[/url] (click on the "phantom scrambles" results link and then go to C Sportsman....then scroll down...
According to the results for that event, this dude DNFed.

http://www.ama-d36.org/events/cross-country/?y=2012

(click on the "phantom scrambles" results link and then go to C Sportsman....then scroll down to the OPEN C results - look for Trevor Doniak). DNFing a race is not exactly awesome publicity for Zero.

But wait, there is more!!!! This dude is racing the "C" class at this hare scramble event in March of 2012, but he was racing in the EXPERT class in June of 2012 at the Hollister Hills 6-hour event (same location)
http://www.hhora.org/Resources/Documents/Six%20Hour%202012%20Results-TEAMSv2.pdf

C-class to expert in just a few months??? You do the math.

Zero is a class act putting a ringer in the C class!
resetjet wrote:
There is the proof.....its a spoof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good detective work.
And now we know the whole story! LOL
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slipdog wrote:
1000 BITCHES!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/19/electric_527589.jpg[/img] Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of...
1000 BITCHES!!!




Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of a charge. 1+hrs of casual riding.
So 25 minutes at speed on my local mx track would be about 7 or 8 laps. So how long does it take to charge the battery and where is the closest plug at the track?

They sound fun if you have enough money to buy multiple batteries, but extremely unfun waiting for it to charge while watching everyone else continue to ride.
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slipdog wrote:
1000 BITCHES!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/19/electric_527589.jpg[/img] Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of...
1000 BITCHES!!!




Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of a charge. 1+hrs of casual riding.
Overdrive wrote:
So 25 minutes at speed on my local mx track would be about 7 or 8 laps. So how long does it take to charge the...
So 25 minutes at speed on my local mx track would be about 7 or 8 laps. So how long does it take to charge the battery and where is the closest plug at the track?

They sound fun if you have enough money to buy multiple batteries, but extremely unfun waiting for it to charge while watching everyone else continue to ride.
The Quantya could fully recharge in 30-40min. At the Mini Moto we charged them off little Honda 1000's. It would also be cost prohibitive to have extra batteries because the Lithium polymer replacements are around $3k

These things are by no means ready to replace MX bikes yet, they're like cell phones in the 80's. As the technology gets better the prices will start to come down. The cost of the battery and the electronic management system is what makes the run $10k+ but there is a lot of potental in this type of technology.

We were supposed to test a new 72 volt battery last year that would have made ridiculous power, but dialed down could've lasted 3x as long as the current 48 volts. Unfortunately, Quantya couldn't secure any Government grants like Zero has, so they closed the U.S. operations.
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slipdog wrote:
1000 BITCHES!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/19/electric_527589.jpg[/img] Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of...
1000 BITCHES!!!




Don't knock it 'till you try it. These Quantya's are fun as hell and we got about 25min at full speed out of a charge. 1+hrs of casual riding.
Overdrive wrote:
So 25 minutes at speed on my local mx track would be about 7 or 8 laps. So how long does it take to charge the...
So 25 minutes at speed on my local mx track would be about 7 or 8 laps. So how long does it take to charge the battery and where is the closest plug at the track?

They sound fun if you have enough money to buy multiple batteries, but extremely unfun waiting for it to charge while watching everyone else continue to ride.
slipdog wrote:
The Quantya could fully recharge in 30-40min. At the Mini Moto we charged them off little Honda 1000's. It would also be cost prohibitive to have...
The Quantya could fully recharge in 30-40min. At the Mini Moto we charged them off little Honda 1000's. It would also be cost prohibitive to have extra batteries because the Lithium polymer replacements are around $3k

These things are by no means ready to replace MX bikes yet, they're like cell phones in the 80's. As the technology gets better the prices will start to come down. The cost of the battery and the electronic management system is what makes the run $10k+ but there is a lot of potental in this type of technology.

We were supposed to test a new 72 volt battery last year that would have made ridiculous power, but dialed down could've lasted 3x as long as the current 48 volts. Unfortunately, Quantya couldn't secure any Government grants like Zero has, so they closed the U.S. operations.
Oh crap if Honda hears you say you had fun on $15k electric bikes that you had to charge with and additional Honda generator 4 strokes will be dooooomed. Smile

I am surprised they charged so fast, but I do agree they're not ready for prime time. I think it will be a while before they are with the economy the way it is.
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11/20/2012 1:33pm
i will look into one when they are the same price as a comparable gas bike and i see someone throwing the thing flat on LaRocco's leap like RC used to do.
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Electric bikes have the potential to be much faster than their petrol alternatives, although many of you may not like it. I think they are where the sports future lies.
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11/21/2012 10:08am
Is this the perfect bike for JS7? No clutch!
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I am happy to see the progress in the electric bikes and look at them as an additional choice, not a replacement for our internal combustion engine powered bikes.

As others have pointed out, the quiet factor alone will open up many more potential riding areas. As they continue to develop the prices will come down. Look how much big screen TVs have dropped in recent years. Long term, I see them as another great option to have available to get in some more riding time.
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Battery performance diminishes over time. Your new battery gives you 25 minutes of ride time now, but after a month of continuous riding that same battery only gives you 15 minutes of optimal performance, then 10, then 5, then it won't take a charge. Battery performance also degrades quickly when they are subjected to jarring, as in a hard landing, a crash, braking and acceleration bumps, etc. Not sold on the idea battery powered MX just yet.

Let me know when the nuclear powered steam engine MX bike is released. Thank you.
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11/21/2012 11:21am
If there is no smoke in the picture, it is no good.
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144273 wrote:
Electric bikes have the potential to be much faster than their petrol alternatives, although many of you may not like it. I think they are where...
Electric bikes have the potential to be much faster than their petrol alternatives, although many of you may not like it. I think they are where the sports future lies.
I hope not. No "Electrocross" for me
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RbR wrote:
Battery performance diminishes over time. Your new battery gives you 25 minutes of ride time now, but after a month of continuous riding that same battery...
Battery performance diminishes over time. Your new battery gives you 25 minutes of ride time now, but after a month of continuous riding that same battery only gives you 15 minutes of optimal performance, then 10, then 5, then it won't take a charge. Battery performance also degrades quickly when they are subjected to jarring, as in a hard landing, a crash, braking and acceleration bumps, etc. Not sold on the idea battery powered MX just yet.

Let me know when the nuclear powered steam engine MX bike is released. Thank you.
kind of like how a 125 or 250f feels like its on its last leg after a strait month of hard riding?
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11/21/2012 2:13pm
RbR wrote:
Battery performance diminishes over time. Your new battery gives you 25 minutes of ride time now, but after a month of continuous riding that same battery...
Battery performance diminishes over time. Your new battery gives you 25 minutes of ride time now, but after a month of continuous riding that same battery only gives you 15 minutes of optimal performance, then 10, then 5, then it won't take a charge. Battery performance also degrades quickly when they are subjected to jarring, as in a hard landing, a crash, braking and acceleration bumps, etc. Not sold on the idea battery powered MX just yet.

Let me know when the nuclear powered steam engine MX bike is released. Thank you.
The Zero MX's battery drops to 80% max charge after 3000 hours. How many people would put that many hours on it?

Can't believe how close-minded people are about this technology. They will eventually perform better and be cheaper than petrol bikes, but people write them off because they are quiet and don't have gears. And those last two points sound more like a positive than a negative to me.
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11/21/2012 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 2:17pm
I bet it feels weird not having rotational weight in the engine, considering it was a big deal about those mounts that change the angle of the piston on the new YZF's. On the bright side, the bikes should feel much lighter since lacking all that rotating inertia. This is not a bash, I think riding an electric bike would be fun.
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I think that if the big companies put the time and effort into creating a great electric bike and the battery technology improved the bikes would be very desirable, and faster than the petrol versions. I think that a lot of people are hung up on noise, i think that for a spectator at a professional race then noise is part of the 'show', but for the average rider it would be an advantage to have a quieter bike.

People are already making very quick electric cars, some of the four wheel drive student designed electric cars are very impressive
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Battery Technology is available, but it comes at a cost currently. Lighter, longer lasting and capable of better charging. Unfortunately we need to get through the cheap and get it to mass consumption.

I have always been for Electric bikes. How many times have reviews referred to bikes as being "Electric" like in feel? Just about every 250 shoot out I ever read in my life. Now they will be electric.
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I bet it feels weird not having rotational weight in the engine, considering it was a big deal about those mounts that change the angle of...
I bet it feels weird not having rotational weight in the engine, considering it was a big deal about those mounts that change the angle of the piston on the new YZF's. On the bright side, the bikes should feel much lighter since lacking all that rotating inertia. This is not a bash, I think riding an electric bike would be fun.
Excellent points Hank, you are 100% right.

They tend to jump and ride a little like a bicycle in that if you swap a little off line they want to go that way instead of straighten up. It's weird at first but once you get use to it it's no big deal. Think of it as half way between a mx bike and a downhill mtb. Our bikes weighed almost as much as a 125 @ 190lbs, but felt more like the weight of minibike.

As far as the batteries go, some of our bikes had 150-200+hrs with no loss of charge capacity. I believe Quantya guaranteed their batteries for 2000 charge cycles, which is way more than any 2 or 4 stroke motor could ever last.
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There's a company called Sybian(sp) that's making a electric bike people are creaming over. Heard it from this chick I know...
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I also don't get the hate toward E-bikes.
I have a 2 acres lot, but the neighbors would get pretty pissed if I started riding my 450 around the backyard.
I can't wait for the day I can bring an E-bike home. I'll be riding around, and none of the neighbors mowing their lawn will be able to complain because their cute little John Deere will make more noise than my bike.
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There's a company called Sybian(sp) that's making a electric bike people are creaming over. Heard it from this chick I know...
ha!

I have heard such rumors myself....
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11/21/2012 9:37pm
Tiki wrote:
Battery Technology is available, but it comes at a cost currently. Lighter, longer lasting and capable of better charging. Unfortunately we need to get through the...
Battery Technology is available, but it comes at a cost currently. Lighter, longer lasting and capable of better charging. Unfortunately we need to get through the cheap and get it to mass consumption.

I have always been for Electric bikes. How many times have reviews referred to bikes as being "Electric" like in feel? Just about every 250 shoot out I ever read in my life. Now they will be electric.
This is the four stroke deal all over again except this time you'll pay more but won't get more weight.

That having been said I think electric bikes will get sales from folks that wouldn't have bought a conventional bike so don't think for the foreseeable future electric bikes will cannibalize new MX bike sales.
11/21/2012 10:22pm
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There's a company called Sybian(sp) that's making a electric bike people are creaming over. Heard it from this chick I know...
We'll need lots of video evidence so that we can verify this rumor. Wink
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Electric MX bikes will replace internal combustion engines.

This will happen when wind, solar and biofuel replaces oil, coal, gas, hydro and nuclear.

In other words, when pigs fly.

I'd like to know if the electric bike movement is getting any federal funding?
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11/22/2012 4:35am
It's a superior technology, of course it will replace ICE's.
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achilles heel = battery......

How about a hybrid with a tiny little weedeater generator on it = enduro version

LOL...............
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's a superior technology, of course it will replace ICE's.
^this guy.
Smooth, strong and much less complicated.
Check out this Killacycle video, not quiet by any means.

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