2008 KTM 300 XC-W, Anyone own or ridden one?

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Edited Date/Time 11/10/2012 9:20am
Looking for some input on this model. Seems a local one is up for sale and it has peaked my interest. So, what about the handling, suspension and engine - reliable?

Thanks,

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I HAD A 2008 250 XC and by best bud still has his 300 XC. I was just riding it this weekend and it is a pretty cool machine. The 300 is like a three stroke. It runs almost like a four-stroke, the power is very electric with no appreciable hit and a tourqey delivery. It is a good bit slower than than my YZ250 for motocross but off road it is a great bike. I did a little MX on my 08 XC and the suspension worked pretty well at MX or off road, good bike if you want to do a little of both. The 300 feels a little heavy compared to a full on MX bike, but it turns great and handles very well.
As far as reliability, my 08 250 XC was completely bulletproof and never gave me any problems. My buddies 300 XC has likewise been completely bulletproof. Unless you want it for strictly for MX, it is a fantastic bike and you can't go wrong with it.



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Haven't had one, but it's a great bike. Some of the issues were the e-start had some flaws that got taken care of later, and the five speed wr gearbox isn't as optimal as the newer six speed that came in 11 (it can be retrofitted), but that's probably less of an issue with the 300. The W also has the open chamber forks, which are pretty good, but and the closed chambers on the XC and SX models reportedly were a bit off the first year in 08.
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Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen... Seems like it might be a bike worth looking at.

How bad/good was the 2001 version. Found one of them for sale at what seems to be a VERY good price...

Thanks again!
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The 300 is like a three stroke. It runs almost like a four-stroke, the power is very electric with no appreciable hit and a tourqey delivery.

This is true out of the box, but you can totally tweak that to fit your riding style:

You can change the power valve spring to make it hit hard (it comes with 3 different springs in the tool pouch)
You have 2 engine maps, one soft (default) and an harder one. Usually done by plugging/unplugging a wire. On my 07 I added a switch so I can flip on the fly as conditions demand.
In higher altitude (like Colorado) it helps a lot to get the head shaved. I had Slaven do mine and it is night and day. Starts first kick and it is a lot easier to jet.
With all the mods set for a hard hit, my bike pops wheelies in 3rd on acceleration only. Stock I felt it was a bit of a dog trying to lift the front to cross a log for example. (Again, Colorado, 11,000 feet riding altitude)

The electric delivery Tblazier mentions is nice. We had a Hare Scramble when the ground was frozen. When the top layer started melting, some of the 450 had trouble even making it up the face of some steep tabletops. No problem whatsoever for my 300 on the soft map and a rear tires that had seen better day.

I wished I had held on for an 08. From all the reports, the new frame and shock position made it a lot nicer than the previous generation.

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I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission of the XC-W. Has anyone heard of installing the W-transmission in the XC?
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Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback...
Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen... Seems like it might be a bike worth looking at.

How bad/good was the 2001 version. Found one of them for sale at what seems to be a VERY good price...

Thanks again!
Owner of an 06 300XC, 09 400 XCW 4t and currently ride a 2010 300XCWe.

You can't go wrong with the unit you're looking at for your riding application. You'll love it.
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fbr wrote:
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission...
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission of the XC-W. Has anyone heard of installing the W-transmission in the XC?
Yep, sure have.
Unless you're riding up in elevation, an XC would be just fine. In fact I rode an 06 300XC for a couple seasons up in the WA Cascades, and it was just fine. If you have to, you can change up the gearing, maybe put a gnarly pipe on it...helps.

I went XCWe, just to try it-and-it was a great deal on a 2010 bike w 25 hrs on it. I had to change the gearing out back, to get it to grunt 3rd gear in corners like my XC did, but once I got the gearing dialed, it's sweet. XCWs are kind of known for being a bit "gappy", particularly first to second. Again, rear sprocket changes in the rear will cover a multitude of sins.
The XCW is known for softer suspension than the XCs-for obvious reasons...but I had both bikes suspensions done for my weight and better action. KTMs are the state bike up here in gnarly WA single track! Wink
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I raced 300 XC's forever. The only real drawback to the W is the open chamber fork. Works ok for offroad but the closed chamber is a better race fork. The 300 also lacks top end but carb and head mods by Dicks racing will fix that and sacrafice none of that sweet bottom.
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Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback...
Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen... Seems like it might be a bike worth looking at.

How bad/good was the 2001 version. Found one of them for sale at what seems to be a VERY good price...

Thanks again!
Honestly KTM did not discover handling until 05. The 08/09 and 10 chassis was another step forward.
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Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback...
Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen... Seems like it might be a bike worth looking at.

How bad/good was the 2001 version. Found one of them for sale at what seems to be a VERY good price...

Thanks again!
dcg141 wrote:
Honestly KTM did not discover handling until 05. The 08/09 and 10 chassis was another step forward.
^^ truth.
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fbr wrote:
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission...
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission of the XC-W. Has anyone heard of installing the W-transmission in the XC?
It'd be a lot easier (cheapper ?) to install the XC fork in the XC-W
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08 was a big change from 07 and very close to a 2010.

Dont worry too much about the xcw gappy transmission....Everyone talks about it, but it really is no big deal. Only 1st and 2nd gears are different then the xc and you are out of them so fast it doesn't matter. You will find you will be in 3rd and 4th in the single track. I use a recluse which makes it the cats meow.

Given the choice, buy the XC. It is pre wired for lights and all just like the xc-w.

The best 300 out there is the 2011 xc.......3 gal tank stock, 48mm cc forks, 6 speed, no linkage and all the other improvements in the last 5 years of handing, etc.....

2 strokes should not have electric start.......They just don't hold up. If you get it, you will be working on it sooner or later. They have a kick, so alot of guys abandon the magic button when it poops out.

This bike has power all over......Great woods bike. Mine has an sx crank in it, so it has a little more pep then the normal xc

07 ktm 300xc.
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"2 strokes should not have electric start.......They just don't hold up. If you get it, you will be working on it sooner or later. They have a kick, so alot of guys abandon the magic button when it poops out."

It is a high maint item. But it sure is nice when you're on ridge on the only foot you can plant is your right!
You'll learn to love it. But like I said, you'll be maintaining it-or it'll stop working. There are some mods you can make to get it to last longer & perf better tho. Check KTMtalk.com....
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11/8/2012 7:27pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2012 7:27pm
Is $3800 a good price for an '08 300 XCW?
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Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback...
Not looking at this bike as a full time MX machine. Plan to do some play/trail riding with my son as well. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen... Seems like it might be a bike worth looking at.

How bad/good was the 2001 version. Found one of them for sale at what seems to be a VERY good price...

Thanks again!
Run, don't walk from the 01. The 01 chassis never did it for me. The 08 is a dream come true in comparison. Both engines are bullet proof and money can always fix the suspension. But that 01, I just never liked her at all!
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Is $3800 a good price for an '08 300 XCW?
If she is very clean I think you are close.
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11/8/2012 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2012 7:58pm
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The '04 YZ has become a money pit. Should have expected it given the cheap price I paid...

I'm going to ride Hare Scrambles with some moto thrown in from time to time..
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My dad has an 09 300XC. It has the motor of what I would imagine a full factory 250 2 stroke would feel like......very very fast, but linear and easy to ride. It also handles well and feels light......doesn't feel like a big off road bike. He also has trouble with the electric start on his....sometimes it works right and other times not so well. I don't know much about the W model.
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11/9/2012 5:19am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2012 5:21am
You can ride 3 rd gear all day with a recluse clutch and then eat any 450 4 stroke for lunch.

'08 great bike, suspension will suit most riders stock '01 no so much.
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fbr wrote:
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission...
I am trying to decide between an '08 KTM 300 XC or XC-W. I like the suspension better on the XC, but prefer the wide-ratio transmission of the XC-W. Has anyone heard of installing the W-transmission in the XC?
You should head over to ktmtalk.com. It is really amazing how much information you can find there on KTM. I am sure there is a LOT of information on your question.
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11/9/2012 7:54am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2012 7:57am
If you are looking at the one in Cape Coral ... Buy it .. Buy it.. Buy it.. I've tried several times on different machines to get Tag's and it's not easy! If I had the money I would all ready own it...LOL 300 2stroke street legal=FUN

ooops... I missed your post where you talk about the bikes your looking at.. The one here is 1800$ and set up for supermoto'ish/street'ish
11/9/2012 8:00am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2012 8:00am
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The...
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The '04 YZ has become a money pit. Should have expected it given the cheap price I paid...

I'm going to ride Hare Scrambles with some moto thrown in from time to time..
$3800 seem way to high for the 300 but 3000 for the 2010 yz250 is a steal, depending on how good of condition it is in. Just dont the make the mistak of buying a bike from a redneck trail rider who trashed the bike. I made this mistake and now I am paying for it. Sad
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OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The...
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The '04 YZ has become a money pit. Should have expected it given the cheap price I paid...

I'm going to ride Hare Scrambles with some moto thrown in from time to time..
$3800 seem way to high for the 300 but 3000 for the 2010 yz250 is a steal, depending on how good of condition it is in...
$3800 seem way to high for the 300 but 3000 for the 2010 yz250 is a steal, depending on how good of condition it is in. Just dont the make the mistak of buying a bike from a redneck trail rider who trashed the bike. I made this mistake and now I am paying for it. Sad
I know what you mean! I'm dealing with an '04 that has turned into a "money pit". Looking to unload it and get something "newer". Deciding whether to part it out or sell it complete...
11/9/2012 8:09am
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The...
OK, $3800 for an '08 KTM 300 XCW with 100+ hours or $3000 for 2010 YZ250 with unknown hours??? Both bikes look nice (in pics). The '04 YZ has become a money pit. Should have expected it given the cheap price I paid...

I'm going to ride Hare Scrambles with some moto thrown in from time to time..
$3800 seem way to high for the 300 but 3000 for the 2010 yz250 is a steal, depending on how good of condition it is in...
$3800 seem way to high for the 300 but 3000 for the 2010 yz250 is a steal, depending on how good of condition it is in. Just dont the make the mistak of buying a bike from a redneck trail rider who trashed the bike. I made this mistake and now I am paying for it. Sad
I know what you mean! I'm dealing with an '04 that has turned into a "money pit". Looking to unload it and get something "newer". Deciding...
I know what you mean! I'm dealing with an '04 that has turned into a "money pit". Looking to unload it and get something "newer". Deciding whether to part it out or sell it complete...
Well i bought an 06 for $2600 and I have spent $1000 on it so far. Im a poor college student and this bike is not helping me out. I just got my cylinder head back from being repaired so hopefully she will be good to go now with no problems. Fingers crossed.
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11/9/2012 9:46am
You've got an 06', that's 7 model years ago. 1k in parts would be expected at this point, a bike of that vintage that has been ridden even moderately would be in line for a full going through of both the chassis and the engine. It could easily escalate way beyond that. Consider yourself very lucky that you didn't buy a 250f or you'd be sitting on a timebomb with an eventual repair bill far exceeding your original investment.
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The two stroke is way easier to maintain and is just a great bike all around. $3800 is average for a nice clean bike without too many expensive mods. If it does not have one, you probably want to invest in a steering damper. So allow $500 for that. If you ride single track a rekluse will likely make you way faster.(another $500).

I second you will also eat 450's for lunch in the tight woods. I also agree the 01 handling will suck. Not enough rake I think.

It is a good solid bike, and most likely you can plate it in FL and ride it to the 7 eleven for kicks. Very unlikely you can do that with a yz due to offroad title.
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"The 300 is like a three stroke. It runs almost like a four-stroke, the power is very electric with no appreciable hit and a tourqey delivery. "

I have a 2008 300 in the garage. It is great bike! I have had 5 - 300's and this is my second favorite. The 2006 I liked the front end better, less twitchy. Nothing a steering stabilizer (WER) couldn't fix. Brakes! Youch - they stop on a dime. In the front I went to RED EBC pads to soften the pull. Nice thing about the 300, you can be climbing a hill in too high of a gear and just feather the clutch and it will keep climbing! Holeshot from a dead engine start - easy. I prefer to kickstart vice the e-buttion, it is faster. Also, the bike is great for riding moto too!

11/9/2012 6:20pm
People SAY a 250 MX bike is faster than a 300XC-W, and it does FEEL slower, but you race one side by side and even the XC-W will yard a 250 like its tied to a tree. The 300XC is probably the best all around bike ever built.
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"The 2006 I liked the front end better, less twitchy"....I feel the same, my 07 doesn't need a stabilizer. On my buddies 08 and up that I ride they do....Not really sure why.

"People SAY a 250 MX bike is faster than a 300XC-W, and it does FEEL slower, but you race one side by side and even the XC-W will yard a 250 like its tied to a tree."

its called power all over and lots of it and torque to the moon.........Put an sx crank in your 300 and you will really see a crazy improvement.....maybe a little less torque, alot more power.....
11/10/2012 9:20am
For what your looking for, It sounds like the 300 would be perfect.

I have a 09 300XC-W and love it! As stated above, the tuning options are infinite, you can go from smooth offroad bike to MX monster hit in about 10 minutes with mapping, spring options and tension adjustment on the spring.

As far as the starter goes, make sure its adjusted, do the oil mod and spend a little extra on a Shorai battery and it will work flawless.

Ive had both, an 05 YZ250 and now the KTM. For me, which is mainly offroad with a little bit of MX sprinkled in, the KTM is better. As an added bonus, I added the lighting kit on the KTM, which was plug-and-play and got a license plate for it here in Ohio. Not sure how things are in Florida but it might be something to think about.

Bottom line is, both bikes are good, you wont go wrong either way.

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