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72kiteboarder 9/19/2012 3:06pm
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They have. The lawsuit is also against VF and Motoconcepts. The person who posted the thread left that part out. This is exactly how rumors get...
They have.

The lawsuit is also against VF and Motoconcepts. The person who posted the thread left that part out. This is exactly how rumors get started. Either leaving info out, or adding stuff on to info that is true.

I also wonder why Don Leib isn't chiming in himself. He is always the first one to jump on here bragging about his son, but he's not on here trying to help out his future son in law? (maybe his lawyer told him to keep his trap shut, but obviously he talked to Guy!)
IS that a single to table that your avatar is crashing on?
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mx5471 9/19/2012 3:40pm
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This lawsuit could be a serious situation for all involved. The sanctioning bodies could be drawn in as information is gathered. This message board itself holds a ton of info and pictures, and references to VF's behavior in the past, including comments to ban him from the sport. All fodder for a lawsuit. I don't know if that legal complaint is true or not. But one part says, that they called him to respond to a reprimand for behavior in Moto one, which neither he nor his team did. He was on the gate for Moto2, chasing Lieb around. The officials knew exactly where to find him, to say or do what ever . Everyone let it go, and this is what happened. One guy got his ass kicked, another guy did the kicking, and two authorities in the sport, plus the track owners could have prevented it. I hope the defendants have very good lawyers, and settle it. If it ever gets to a jury, they're dead meat.

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C.Worthy 9/19/2012 3:42pm
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The facts as alleged: 10. On April 1, 2012, MOTOCONCEPTS, TEAM MC, and FRIESE were scheduled to and did participate in motocross motorcycle races at Glen...
The facts as alleged:

10. On April 1, 2012, MOTOCONCEPTS, TEAM MC, and FRIESE were scheduled to and did participate in motocross motorcycle races at Glen Helen Raceway, owned and operated by Defendant GLEN HELEN, in San Bernardino County, California.
11. On April 1, 2012, Plaintiff CRUCEAN attended the aforementioned motocross motorcycle races at Glen Helen Raceway.
12. FRIESE was a rider/racer working for, employed by, and racing on behalf of MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC during and throughout the races at Glen Helen Raceway on April 1, 2012. 13. While working for and racing on behalf of MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC, and while in full racing gear, including helmet, suit, gloves, and boots, and while at the starting gate of one of the races, immediately prior to a motocross motorcycle race (hereinafter "MOTO 2"), FRIESE attacked and head-butted Plaintiff CRUCEAN in the nose and face, and FRIESE hit and punched CRUCEAN in the face, knocking him to the ground, causing severe injuries and damages to CRUCEAN.
14. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, GLEN HELEN knew or should have known of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and danger to others. FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S own race track rules during MOTO 1, the motorcycle race immediately prior to MOTO 2.
15. During and after MOTO 1, but prior to MOTO 2, GLEN HELEN had actual knowledge that FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S own race track policies, procedures, and/or rules. GLEN HELEN'S own policies, procedures, and/or rules required FRIESE to report to GLEN HELEN'S management to sign-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S race track violations in MOTO 1.
16. GLEN HELEN did not follow its own procedures, policies, and/or rules, and allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2 without signing-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S violations in MOTO 1.
17. Despite GLEN HELEN'S prior actual and constructive knowledge of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and disregard for the procedures, policies, and/or rules of motocross, and disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others, GLEN HELEN still allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2.
18. GLEN HELEN failed to provide adequate security on April 1, 2012.
19. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC knew or should have known of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and danger to others. FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S race track rules during MOTO 1, the motorcycle race immediately prior to MOTO 2.
20. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS had advance knowledge of the unfitness of FRIESE and MOTOCONCEPTS still employed him anyway with the conscious disregard of the rights or safety of others.
21. During and after MOTO 1, but prior to MOTO 2, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC had actual knowledge that FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S race track policies, procedures, and/or rules. GLEN HELEN'S policies, procedures, and/or rules required FRIESE to report to GLEN HELEN'S management to sign-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S race track violations in MOTO 1.
22. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC did not follow GLEN HELEN'S procedures, policies, and/or rules, and allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2 without signing-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S violations in MOTO 1.
23. Prior to April 1, 2012, and/or prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC knew or should have known, and in fact had actual knowledge of, FRIESE'S violent nature and propensity for violence, propensity for and history of dangerous and "dirty" racing tactics, and also had actual knowledge of FRIESE'S disregard for motocross racing rules and/or FRIESE'S disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others.
24. Despite MOTOCONCEPTS' and TEAM MC'S prior actual and constructive knowledge of FRIESE's violent nature and propensity for violence, propensity for and history of dangerous and "dirty" racing tactics, and disregard for motocross racing rules and disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC still employed, retained, hired, and supervised FRIESE, allowing him and compensating him to race for and on behalf of TEAM MC and MOTOCONCEPTS.
25. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC ratified, authorized, and approved of FRIESE'S conduct when they allowed FRIESE to race in MOTO 2, even after FRIESE attacked CRUCEAN. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC ratified, authorized, and approved of FRIESE'S conduct as they still allow FRIESE to race on and for MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC despite FRIESE continued wrongful conduct.
26. Due to Defendants' conduct and omissions, CRUCEAN suffered very severe injuries and damages.
This is all total bull. The guy couldn't handle what he dished out so now he's being a little cry baby and suing everyone. If he didn't want to get his face busted open then he shouldn't have touched VF. We all know VF is a loose canon. Maybe this is a wake up call for MCR that VF is trouble. Sucks that a family in the moto industry is sue happy and though they may not "condone" it. It's still happening.
panic revver 9/19/2012 3:45pm
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dkg wrote:
The facts as alleged: 10. On April 1, 2012, MOTOCONCEPTS, TEAM MC, and FRIESE were scheduled to and did participate in motocross motorcycle races at Glen...
The facts as alleged:

10. On April 1, 2012, MOTOCONCEPTS, TEAM MC, and FRIESE were scheduled to and did participate in motocross motorcycle races at Glen Helen Raceway, owned and operated by Defendant GLEN HELEN, in San Bernardino County, California.
11. On April 1, 2012, Plaintiff CRUCEAN attended the aforementioned motocross motorcycle races at Glen Helen Raceway.
12. FRIESE was a rider/racer working for, employed by, and racing on behalf of MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC during and throughout the races at Glen Helen Raceway on April 1, 2012. 13. While working for and racing on behalf of MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC, and while in full racing gear, including helmet, suit, gloves, and boots, and while at the starting gate of one of the races, immediately prior to a motocross motorcycle race (hereinafter "MOTO 2"), FRIESE attacked and head-butted Plaintiff CRUCEAN in the nose and face, and FRIESE hit and punched CRUCEAN in the face, knocking him to the ground, causing severe injuries and damages to CRUCEAN.
14. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, GLEN HELEN knew or should have known of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and danger to others. FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S own race track rules during MOTO 1, the motorcycle race immediately prior to MOTO 2.
15. During and after MOTO 1, but prior to MOTO 2, GLEN HELEN had actual knowledge that FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S own race track policies, procedures, and/or rules. GLEN HELEN'S own policies, procedures, and/or rules required FRIESE to report to GLEN HELEN'S management to sign-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S race track violations in MOTO 1.
16. GLEN HELEN did not follow its own procedures, policies, and/or rules, and allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2 without signing-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S violations in MOTO 1.
17. Despite GLEN HELEN'S prior actual and constructive knowledge of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and disregard for the procedures, policies, and/or rules of motocross, and disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others, GLEN HELEN still allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2.
18. GLEN HELEN failed to provide adequate security on April 1, 2012.
19. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC knew or should have known of FRIESE'S propensity for violence and danger to others. FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S race track rules during MOTO 1, the motorcycle race immediately prior to MOTO 2.
20. Prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS had advance knowledge of the unfitness of FRIESE and MOTOCONCEPTS still employed him anyway with the conscious disregard of the rights or safety of others.
21. During and after MOTO 1, but prior to MOTO 2, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC had actual knowledge that FRIESE violated GLEN HELEN'S race track policies, procedures, and/or rules. GLEN HELEN'S policies, procedures, and/or rules required FRIESE to report to GLEN HELEN'S management to sign-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S race track violations in MOTO 1.
22. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC did not follow GLEN HELEN'S procedures, policies, and/or rules, and allowed FRIESE to line up for and race in MOTO 2 without signing-in to acknowledge a reprimand for FRIESE'S violations in MOTO 1.
23. Prior to April 1, 2012, and/or prior to FRIESE attacking CRUCEAN, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC knew or should have known, and in fact had actual knowledge of, FRIESE'S violent nature and propensity for violence, propensity for and history of dangerous and "dirty" racing tactics, and also had actual knowledge of FRIESE'S disregard for motocross racing rules and/or FRIESE'S disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others.
24. Despite MOTOCONCEPTS' and TEAM MC'S prior actual and constructive knowledge of FRIESE's violent nature and propensity for violence, propensity for and history of dangerous and "dirty" racing tactics, and disregard for motocross racing rules and disregard for the health, safety, and welfare of others, MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC still employed, retained, hired, and supervised FRIESE, allowing him and compensating him to race for and on behalf of TEAM MC and MOTOCONCEPTS.
25. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC ratified, authorized, and approved of FRIESE'S conduct when they allowed FRIESE to race in MOTO 2, even after FRIESE attacked CRUCEAN. MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC ratified, authorized, and approved of FRIESE'S conduct as they still allow FRIESE to race on and for MOTOCONCEPTS and TEAM MC despite FRIESE continued wrongful conduct.
26. Due to Defendants' conduct and omissions, CRUCEAN suffered very severe injuries and damages.
C.Worthy wrote:
This is all total bull. The guy couldn't handle what he dished out so now he's being a little cry baby and suing everyone. If he...
This is all total bull. The guy couldn't handle what he dished out so now he's being a little cry baby and suing everyone. If he didn't want to get his face busted open then he shouldn't have touched VF. We all know VF is a loose canon. Maybe this is a wake up call for MCR that VF is trouble. Sucks that a family in the moto industry is sue happy and though they may not "condone" it. It's still happening.
It's cool that you know the whole story. Can you verify that VF did or did not head butt this Crucean dude before Crucean grabbed his helmet?
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watson 9/19/2012 3:50pm
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downandup wrote:
One more thing: Does anyone know, I am curious because I don't know myself, of one track that has closed FOR SURE GIVE EXAMPLE that has...
One more thing:

Does anyone know, I am curious because I don't know myself, of one track that has closed FOR SURE GIVE EXAMPLE that has closed because they were sued?
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downandup wrote:
You always have to add obscenities???

I am just trying to get down to the TRUTH.

Can you PROVE this, or is just RUMOR?
Proof. Getting sued always costs money, insurance or not. They're not charities.
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C.Worthy 9/19/2012 3:52pm
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panic revver wrote:
It's cool that you know the whole story. Can you verify that VF did or did not head butt this Crucean dude before Crucean grabbed his...
It's cool that you know the whole story. Can you verify that VF did or did not head butt this Crucean dude before Crucean grabbed his helmet?
No, all that was talked about a loong time ago when the incident happened in some other thread that I don't care for anymore. My point is I'm just bummed that Glen Helen was dragged into this and that we may have one less place to ride in socal. Hopefully this doesn't affect MCR too much and we can see Mike out there next season kicking some ass. Thats all.
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Katoom72 9/19/2012 4:01pm
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50k facial repairs? Damn, VF should have gone boxing instead...
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Boarddesign 9/19/2012 4:01pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Well shit.....I am going to get flamed for saying this.......... I dig the Leib's......they seem like some really good people , but their retaliative that grabbed...
Well shit.....I am going to get flamed for saying this..........

I dig the Leib's......they seem like some really good people , but their retaliative that grabbed VF's helmet was in the wrong. I'm sorry , but if someone grabbed my face mask like that and started jerking it around......I would have thrown some right hooks as well. This has nothing to do with the Leib's at all......so I want to make that clear.

Also......I think VF was in the wrong for following Mike to every starting position. He should not of been allowed to do so , just to prevent an altercation.

Both Gene and VF are in the wrong here......but from "my point of view ".......Gene started it.
CamP wrote:
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at...
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at Glen Helen in '06 when they had team riders flank Allesi on both sides of his starting gate in an attempt to stifle his start and allow RV clear sailing for the Championship. When VF does it, he's an asshole. When PC does it, they are geniuses.
RV said RD does this to him EVERY time.
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CamP 9/19/2012 4:28pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Well shit.....I am going to get flamed for saying this.......... I dig the Leib's......they seem like some really good people , but their retaliative that grabbed...
Well shit.....I am going to get flamed for saying this..........

I dig the Leib's......they seem like some really good people , but their retaliative that grabbed VF's helmet was in the wrong. I'm sorry , but if someone grabbed my face mask like that and started jerking it around......I would have thrown some right hooks as well. This has nothing to do with the Leib's at all......so I want to make that clear.

Also......I think VF was in the wrong for following Mike to every starting position. He should not of been allowed to do so , just to prevent an altercation.

Both Gene and VF are in the wrong here......but from "my point of view ".......Gene started it.
CamP wrote:
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at...
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at Glen Helen in '06 when they had team riders flank Allesi on both sides of his starting gate in an attempt to stifle his start and allow RV clear sailing for the Championship. When VF does it, he's an asshole. When PC does it, they are geniuses.
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RV said RD does this to him EVERY time.
But RD is the golden child, so he can do no wrong. Double standards are alive and well in pro mx/sx.
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moscrop940 9/19/2012 4:39pm
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The majority of this thread is the reason this website can get a bad name. So many of you sit behind your computers knowing no facts, nor do you know the people involved, and you make rash fucking statements without a single fact knowing only what you have read about or what you heard from your aunts third cousin.

The Leibs are one of, if not THE most respectable and kind family in the motocross industry. There was never a single time that I needed something when I was racing with the Leibs, they went above and beyond on several occasions for me, like I was one of their own kids.

Now I wasnt there, but for all the assholes saying that Michael's moving his starting position was "Illegal"- you can go fu*&k your own face. Michael was trying to ride his own race SAFELY, and trying to avoid dickhead Friese because he knew damn well he was going to try to hurt him, and you people are gonna try to throw the f*@king rule book at him???!!!
By using that mentality if a rider is deliberately messing with you in practice, you cant pull of the track in an undesginated area right? You just gotta keep on riding risking injury right?!
WRONG! As much as we all love this sport its not worth seriously hurt over, and if someone is gonna try to put you in a chair, the rule book goes out the window in the name of safety.

Just for good measure, think if your kid or brother, was racing, and some c*&t kept following him around at the gates so he could try and hurt him....You know damn well you wouldnt be thinking about the rule book, you would be thinking about his safety.

I support the Leib camp 100%, and I hope someone absolutely kicks the living shit out Friese before he kills someone.

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Overdrive 9/19/2012 5:02pm
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Looks to me like he has a good case against both MCR, VF and Glen Helen. If Glen Helen called VF to a meeting for violations to rules in moto 1 and he did not show up then Glen Helen should have had enough staff at the gate on moto 2 to make him leave. He has no respect for the rules and those who are to enforce them, Glen Helen should have been there to turn him away and head him back to the pits.


Bummer for Glen Helen but I think they will pay out on this one, not so much a bummer for MCR because they knew who they were hiring and still employ. I think they will all end up paying this Gene guy, how much is hard to tell.
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jndmx 9/19/2012 5:12pm
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CamP wrote:
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at...
Why is it wrong to follow your competition to flank their starting position? It's called racing strategy. It's the same strategy that Pro Circuit used at Glen Helen in '06 when they had team riders flank Allesi on both sides of his starting gate in an attempt to stifle his start and allow RV clear sailing for the Championship. When VF does it, he's an asshole. When PC does it, they are geniuses.
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RV said RD does this to him EVERY time.
CamP wrote:
But RD is the golden child, so he can do no wrong. Double standards are alive and well in pro mx/sx.
Maybe I missed that race.
Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate?

Lining up next to a guy is a little different than trying to knock him off the track.
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NV825 9/19/2012 5:14pm
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Overdrive wrote:
Looks to me like he has a good case against both MCR, VF and Glen Helen. If Glen Helen called VF to a meeting for violations...
Looks to me like he has a good case against both MCR, VF and Glen Helen. If Glen Helen called VF to a meeting for violations to rules in moto 1 and he did not show up then Glen Helen should have had enough staff at the gate on moto 2 to make him leave. He has no respect for the rules and those who are to enforce them, Glen Helen should have been there to turn him away and head him back to the pits.


Bummer for Glen Helen but I think they will pay out on this one, not so much a bummer for MCR because they knew who they were hiring and still employ. I think they will all end up paying this Gene guy, how much is hard to tell.
I was thinking the same thing reading the statement. GH should have sent him packing after he didn't show up to his call to talk to the officials and this will most likely come back and bite them in the ass.
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BevoDave 9/19/2012 5:28pm
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Friese's side of the story, as reported by MXA;

MXA:" Vince, can you start at the beginning and tell us what happened?
Vince: In the first moto, Michael Leib lined up on the inside gate and I lined up right next to him. I knew his bike was quite a bit faster than mine. The start straight at Glen Helen gets narrower and narrower going into Talledega and I knew that if I could get the jump off the gate and get in front of him that I could beat him to the first turn. I also knew he was the next fastest guy out there racing, so I wanted to get out front and get a lead and try to get away so I wouldn't have to deal with a guy with a faster bike up those big hills. I did just that. I got an awesome jump and got out in front of him. He says I cut him off, but I didn't cut him off. I came out of the gate and had the line on him and I beat him to the first turn.

What happened after the first moto?
After that race, four or five people, his dad, a couple of his buddies and his mom came over cussing and screaming at me. I was just just sitting there stunned. I honestly didn't think I did anything wrong. I got the jump on him, but he passed me in the race going up a hill like nothing. I didn't try to take him out, I didn't hit him or anything. We didn't touch each other the whole time, I thought, 'Why are you over here yelling at me?'

What happened on the start line before the second moto?
We went to the line for the next moto, and like anybody, I wanted to win the race. He picked his gate and I picked my gate right next to him. I was going to do the same thing–get the start on him and try to get out in front of him. That was my best shot for being able to beat him. He was killing me up those hills. When I pulled up next to him, someone in his crew starting prepping another gate, then Leib went and moved at the last minute. The rules say that once you have picked a gate and everyone else has started picking their gates you can't switch. But I thought, 'If he can do it I can do it.' So, I walked down there to check it out. His dad and his two buddies that were in his crew stepped in front of me and wouldn't let me go. They said, “You can't come down here.” I said, 'Well, I don't know who you guys are, but I don't think you can tell me where I can and can't go.’ That's pretty much all I said to them. They were making dumb little comments, calling me a loser and stuff like that. A lot of people have talked about me in the past so I'm pretty good at ignoring it. I tried to walk around them one way, tried to walk around them the other way, but there were three people in my face not letting me go anywhere. I said, 'Come on guys, this is getting ridiculous, the race is about to start.' At that point I was just trying to get to my bike because people were firing up their bikes and the race was about to get going. One guy in his crew, who had on a Leib shirt, I think it might have been his mechanic or something, decided to grab onto my helmet on the chin bar. He had my head twisted upside down and I have kind of a bad neck as it is. He was twisting my head and pulling me down to the ground. I thought, 'What is this guy thinking, you can't just pull on my helmet.' I was pulling away from him, just trying to get away from him and get back to my bike. As I was pulling away from him, that created a gap, although he still had a hold of my helmet. Then, he stepped back and kicked me, right where I don't want to be kicked. He kicked me pretty good. That's when I gave it a hard yank with my head, pulled back and swung at him. I think I hit him pretty good. I knocked him down and then he ran off holding his face. I don't know what happened to him, but I thought the guy got what he deserved. You don't just grab onto a guy's helmet and try to twist him down to the ground and not expect anything to happen. At some point I have to stand up for myself a little bit. If it's just crap talking I can ignore it but when someone puts their hand on me it's on. I'd expect anybody to do the same thing. Some people say I did something first, but I definitely didn't. I would never hit somebody first like that at the race track. On the track I'll get aggressive, but off the track I would never punch or hit somebody first. Especially just some guy standing there who isn't in his gear or anything. I'm not that dumb. I would never do anything like that.

Did any track officials get involved before that second moto started?
After that, they stopped the start of the race for a second. They talked to Michael and said, “We're watching you and Friese this race so don't do anything dirty or you'll be disqualified." Then, they said the same to me. I went and raced, and I had the opportunity to clean Leib out, but I didn't do that. I would never do that for no reason. Even though I was a little upset with him at that point for being such a baby about the whole situation, I wasn't going to clean him out. I rode my race and got second. He was a little bit faster than me. He was working me pretty bad up those hills. I think I was a little bit faster on the rest of the track, but he was dropping me pretty bad up those hills.

I came in, did the whole podium thing, got my big check and went to go pick up my normal check and turn in my transponder. That’s when they told me that I was disqualified. The lady at Glen Helen wouldn't even give me an opportunity to hear my side of the story. She wouldn't have it. I tried to say calmly, "Ma'am, what was I supposed to do? I tried to walk away multiple times and they wouldn't allow me to." It didn't make any sense to me. After the incident [before the start of the second moto] they talked to us and allowed me to race, so why were they disqualifying me after the race? That the people in charge are low enough to take money away from somebody who just went out and worked their butt off to earn that money... that's really low of them. Honestly, I was more upset over that than the Leib thing. It was a whole ordeal. There have been times when I have been wrong in situations and I'll own up to it when I know I've done something wrong. That was a situation yesterday where I didn't do anything wrong all day. I was just trying to win, and when someone tried to beat me up I hit him and got him off of me. I think there were a lot of people on the line that saw that I didn't do anything wrong. I was just protecting myself. Other than that I had a great time riding my two-stroke. The race was a lot of fun and I got some good practice in training for the Nationals."
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CamP 9/19/2012 5:46pm
9/19/2012 5:46pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2012 6:09pm
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Maybe I missed that race. Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate? Lining up...
Maybe I missed that race.
Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate?

Lining up next to a guy is a little different than trying to knock him off the track.
It was a very aggressive move but it wasn't a take out move. VF is a bike length ahead and telegraphing his move from a mile away. That gives ample time for Lieb to chop the throttle and continue on with his race.

An example of a dangerous take-out move would be Langston's take-out of Bobby Bonds in '01. Langston intentionally and suddenly cut over into Bond's line in the high speed landing zone of a downhill jump, giving Bonds no place to go except into the back of GL's bike. Nobody hardly made a peep about about that one, but it effectively ended what could have been a good pro career for Bonds.

Apples and oranges.
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jmar 9/19/2012 5:48pm
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MXerDW wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_1_228239.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_299889.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_2_64153.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_3_659571.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_4_571359.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_5_897846.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_6_549228.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_7_575367.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/09/19/Friese_2012_2_stroke_race_8_682061.jpg[/img]
















Let's cut through all of the bullshit. No only did the guy grab VFs face piece, he tried to get a knee in either the stomach or the chin.

This clown should have never touched Vince and he got exactly what he deserved. He had better be happy that there were people there to prevent any further damage.


BTW: I agree with CamP. He should send the bill to Rocket Exhaust because Don stood there and watch the entire thing go down. He's the leader of this posse and he should have defused it before it ever happened.

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crashnburn11 9/19/2012 5:53pm
9/19/2012 5:53pm
I agree, that guy clearly had vince's helmet twisted up and then kicked him in the balls. I'm a firm believer that if you take it that far, the broken face you get it return is your own fault. I still think vince is an idiot sometimes on the track, but that doesn't affect this situation in my eyes.
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FastEddy 9/19/2012 5:55pm
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jmar wrote:
Let's cut through all of the bullshit. No only did the guy grab VFs face piece, he tried to get a knee in either the stomach...
Let's cut through all of the bullshit. No only did the guy grab VFs face piece, he tried to get a knee in either the stomach or the chin.

This clown should have never touched Vince and he got exactly what he deserved. He had better be happy that there were people there to prevent any further damage.


BTW: I agree with CamP. He should send the bill to Rocket Exhaust because Don stood there and watch the entire thing go down. He's the leader of this posse and he should have defused it before it ever happened.
Good post.
I agree.
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machine 9/19/2012 6:04pm
9/19/2012 6:04pm
Someone should sue guy in the black hoodie for being the worst fighter ever at an MX track....Laughing
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disbanded 9/19/2012 6:13pm
9/19/2012 6:13pm
Track suing scum is scum.

Hey Crucean, you post here. Let's hear why you think it is ok to sue a track because you started a fight and got your face punched in. I have a feeling we won't hear from you.
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RbR 9/19/2012 6:22pm
9/19/2012 6:22pm
Mutual combat ... at the very least
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jndmx 9/19/2012 6:53pm
9/19/2012 6:53pm
jndmx wrote:
Maybe I missed that race. Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate? Lining up...
Maybe I missed that race.
Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate?

Lining up next to a guy is a little different than trying to knock him off the track.
CamP wrote:
It was a very aggressive move but it wasn't a take out move. VF is a bike length ahead and telegraphing his move from a mile...
It was a very aggressive move but it wasn't a take out move. VF is a bike length ahead and telegraphing his move from a mile away. That gives ample time for Lieb to chop the throttle and continue on with his race.

An example of a dangerous take-out move would be Langston's take-out of Bobby Bonds in '01. Langston intentionally and suddenly cut over into Bond's line in the high speed landing zone of a downhill jump, giving Bonds no place to go except into the back of GL's bike. Nobody hardly made a peep about about that one, but it effectively ended what could have been a good pro career for Bonds.

Apples and oranges.
None of which in any way shape or form describes anything Ryan Dungey has done by lining up next to RV......which was my whole point.
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DL 9/19/2012 6:55pm
9/19/2012 6:55pm
Been trying to ignore this thread. It's all been played out on this forum before. Regardless I need to make a few points......
- The take out move in the first moto start was nasty...... way beyond moving over on someone.
- Friese absolutely head butted Gene, my daughter's fiance, before the cameras caught the action. This is supported by all the reports the police took from the riders at the starting line.
- Michael wanted no part of Friese's BS and planned to move away from him. There was not a full gate and he was allowed to change (as per Laurie).
- Gene simply was trying to protect me by stepping in between Friese and I. At 135 pounds it was obviously a bad idea.
- I DO NOT support action against GH and Gene is fully aware of that.
- If any of you have any questions contact me and I'll be happy to respond.
- The photo is of Friese punching me after he took care of Gene
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TeamGreen 9/19/2012 6:57pm
9/19/2012 6:57pm
Like I've sad many times, before...

Just Sad.
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DownSouth 9/19/2012 7:02pm
9/19/2012 7:02pm
Alan Olsen should have used his broom to sweep that mess out into the parking lot.
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DonM 9/19/2012 7:02pm
9/19/2012 7:02pm
in the pictures it clearly shows VF throwing more that one punch..... contradictory to interview in MXA....hmmmmm.....
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jmar 9/19/2012 7:12pm
9/19/2012 7:12pm
DonM wrote:
in the pictures it clearly shows VF throwing more that one punch..... contradictory to interview in MXA....hmmmmm.....
And that matters because?

Don't grab someones face piece and try to pull their head down while bringing a knee up.

No matter what happen before that point, it was a big mistake to grab VF face piece.
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txmxer 9/19/2012 7:17pm
9/19/2012 7:17pm
jndmx wrote:
Maybe I missed that race. Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate? Lining up...
Maybe I missed that race.
Do you have video of RD riding RV right to the edge of the track off the start gate?

Lining up next to a guy is a little different than trying to knock him off the track.
CamP wrote:
It was a very aggressive move but it wasn't a take out move. VF is a bike length ahead and telegraphing his move from a mile...
It was a very aggressive move but it wasn't a take out move. VF is a bike length ahead and telegraphing his move from a mile away. That gives ample time for Lieb to chop the throttle and continue on with his race.

An example of a dangerous take-out move would be Langston's take-out of Bobby Bonds in '01. Langston intentionally and suddenly cut over into Bond's line in the high speed landing zone of a downhill jump, giving Bonds no place to go except into the back of GL's bike. Nobody hardly made a peep about about that one, but it effectively ended what could have been a good pro career for Bonds.

Apples and oranges.
First off, I thought that what Langston did was total crap. I lost a lot of respect for him on that move.

With regards to the moto 1 start? I'd say it's only a bike length because ML did hit the brakes after VF started leaning on him...nothing wrong with that, but how do you get sideways on a start straight if you didn't cut over in a quick fashion? The second pic says he was doing more than just trying to squeeze ML IMO.

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