Will the 450Fs go the way of the 500 2strokes

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Edited Date/Time 9/14/2012 6:36am
With the 250Fs posting quicker times than the 450Fs at many tracks & some people attribute the high injury rate to them. Will the 450Fs be relegated out of MX/SX compertition in the near future (3-5 years)
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loftyair 9/12/2012 8:29pm
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In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will all be 250-350cc two-strokes, and some 300-400cc four-strokes. THen, it will get real quiet, with the coming battery-powered machines taking over.
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SLAPAHO 9/12/2012 8:33pm
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there's probably a better chance of you winning a spelling bee, especially if they pop the word "compertition".
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dizzy8085 9/12/2012 8:37pm
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Short answer is. Nope.
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SLAPAHO wrote:
there's probably a better chance of you winning a spelling bee, especially if they pop the word "compertition".
lmao. Woohoo

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Lifesarutt64 9/12/2012 8:41pm
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SLAPAHO wrote:
there's probably a better chance of you winning a spelling bee, especially if they pop the word "compertition".
So you have gone through life without ever making a mistake, good for U
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SLAPAHO 9/12/2012 9:07pm
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SLAPAHO wrote:
there's probably a better chance of you winning a spelling bee, especially if they pop the word "compertition".
Lifesarutt64 wrote:
So you have gone through life without ever making a mistake, good for U
no, i actually thought i made a mistake once, but i was wrong.
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dennis90 9/12/2012 9:10pm
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no, 250f's go fast with boys riding them...husky vets need that extra umph to go...450 will stay
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seth505 9/12/2012 9:14pm
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I hope they go away
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loftyair wrote:
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will...
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will all be 250-350cc two-strokes, and some 300-400cc four-strokes. THen, it will get real quiet, with the coming battery-powered machines taking over.
BROstradamus right here
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BR_HERO 9/12/2012 10:36pm
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Lifesarutt64 wrote:
With the 250Fs posting quicker times than the 450Fs at many tracks & some people attribute the high injury rate to them. Will the 450Fs be...
With the 250Fs posting quicker times than the 450Fs at many tracks & some people attribute the high injury rate to them. Will the 450Fs be relegated out of MX/SX compertition in the near future (3-5 years)
Well the 350 wasn't enough and a 500 would be to much, so we wait for a manufacturer to put out a 400 cc and see how well it does in AMA racing and how the masses perceive it, if it flops the 450 stays, it it's a hit then yeah.....

I don't think the 450 is going anywhere man.
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Well the 350 wasn't enough and a 500 would be to much, so we wait for a manufacturer to put out a 400 cc and see...
Well the 350 wasn't enough and a 500 would be to much, so we wait for a manufacturer to put out a 400 cc and see how well it does in AMA racing and how the masses perceive it, if it flops the 450 stays, it it's a hit then yeah.....

I don't think the 450 is going anywhere man.
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loftyair wrote:
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will...
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will all be 250-350cc two-strokes, and some 300-400cc four-strokes. THen, it will get real quiet, with the coming battery-powered machines taking over.
What kind of fucked up formula will the AMA come up with to fit the electric bike into a class?
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Dirtysmile56 9/12/2012 11:07pm
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mxjef wrote:
What kind of fucked up formula will the AMA come up with to fit the electric bike into a class?
9 golf cart battery electric bikes are allowed to run in the 450 class, since they won't be able to double the displacement they'll double the amount of batteries allowed Smile
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loftyair wrote:
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will...
In the near future, there will be no cc class structure. It will be premier class and support class. Both being a ring-what-you-bring format. It will all be 250-350cc two-strokes, and some 300-400cc four-strokes. THen, it will get real quiet, with the coming battery-powered machines taking over.
Motodrew295 wrote:
BROstradamus right here
Laughing
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Fat Fingers 9/12/2012 11:36pm
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The 450f is a fast but very rideable bike. A 500cc 2 stoke is an untamed beast that will tear your arms out. You can't really compare the two.
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Braaap14 9/12/2012 11:47pm
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you can say this is a stupid post of fishing or whatever,

i'll take the heat.





but bring back 2 strokes. time and time again...

better racing, better handling, more exciting, cheaper for the general public to ride..... alot of upsides to the simplicity of it all
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VET176 9/13/2012 12:47am
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mxjef wrote:
What kind of fucked up formula will the AMA come up with to fit the electric bike into a class?
It all depends if Honda have made an electric bike by then. Wink
Lifesarutt64 9/13/2012 1:36am
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Fat Fingers wrote:
The 450f is a fast but very rideable bike. A 500cc 2 stoke is an untamed beast that will tear your arms out. You can't really...
The 450f is a fast but very rideable bike. A 500cc 2 stoke is an untamed beast that will tear your arms out. You can't really compare the two.
I'm not really trying to compare them. Just asking the question if in the future 250Fs, or a lower capacity than 450cc, will be the premier class in SX/MX racing.
If the 250Fs are doing faster lap times then maybe we should have the best riders on them.
The AMA Lites were a lot more entertaining this past season.

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CR500Rider 9/13/2012 1:41am
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500s went away? I've got to get out more.
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dizzy8085 9/13/2012 2:06am
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Fat Fingers wrote:
The 450f is a fast but very rideable bike. A 500cc 2 stoke is an untamed beast that will tear your arms out. You can't really...
The 450f is a fast but very rideable bike. A 500cc 2 stoke is an untamed beast that will tear your arms out. You can't really compare the two.
Lifesarutt64 wrote:
I'm not really trying to compare them. Just asking the question if in the future 250Fs, or a lower capacity than 450cc, will be the premier...
I'm not really trying to compare them. Just asking the question if in the future 250Fs, or a lower capacity than 450cc, will be the premier class in SX/MX racing.
If the 250Fs are doing faster lap times then maybe we should have the best riders on them.
The AMA Lites were a lot more entertaining this past season.
The 250f's will never be the premier class.

When the 125's and 250 2 strokes ran. Sometimes the 125's lap times matched the 250's also.

It was pretty obvious dungey had more in the tank. He just didn't have anyone to push him, and in contrast the lites guys were battling with each other from start to finish pushing each other faster.

Unless they're racing on the same track at the same time against the same riders. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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motomike137 9/13/2012 4:32am
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I sure as hell hope not... I believe there should be more to riding than pinning the throttle and shifting (not to mention spending way to much money on motor mods).
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Overdrive 9/13/2012 4:57am
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The whole sport is going to go the way of the 500 2 strokes if this keeps up.
unknownmxr 9/13/2012 6:26am
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Who gives a crap. I just got my iphone 5.
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The displacement ruling for the LONGEST time in pro racing for four-strokes was 360cc. I believe it was 1995 or so, when they started letting Lance Smail race that huge 4-stroke that they lifted that.

If anything, I could see them bringing the 360cc rule back. I believe it was 185cc for the little bikes.
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bvm111 9/13/2012 10:38am
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How many times do we have to go through this... 125s and 250f have like lap times because they have to keep their momentum up in the corners due to less HP/torque. It's always been this way... I don't get the argument?
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Nah, they will stay until 2-strokes aren't allowed in AMA racing (since a 250 2-stroke is a threat to anything below a 450). Then Honda will tell the AMA what they will run, and poof, the rules will change.
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unknownmxr wrote:
Who gives a crap. I just got my iphone 5.
LIES! HAHA
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burn1986 wrote:
Nah, they will stay until 2-strokes aren't allowed in AMA racing (since a 250 2-stroke is a threat to anything below a 450). Then Honda will...
Nah, they will stay until 2-strokes aren't allowed in AMA racing (since a 250 2-stroke is a threat to anything below a 450). Then Honda will tell the AMA what they will run, and poof, the rules will change.
and the correct answer goes to Mr Burn.
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Paul333 9/13/2012 2:46pm
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SLAPAHO wrote:
there's probably a better chance of you winning a spelling bee, especially if they pop the word "compertition".
My God, that was an awesome reply.

LOL
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track conditions people. the track changes moto to moto and lap to lap. THats what makes racing interesting, its never the same. if the best riders were on 250s the ones who had just moved up i.e tickle, would lay a whooping on the big boys.

Its like in snowcross, the Semi-Pro guys run right after the track is groomed, then the pros go, the semi pros, especially the mods, tear up the track like crazy and that slows down the Pros, as a result the lap times are much closer than what they really should be. The reason i used a snowcross reference is that the change in the track is much more dramatic than in moto, but the principle is the same, although in the opposite way, the 450 riders get a pretty fresh track, not many ruts etc, the 250s then go out and ride the beautiful ruts the 450s made through the moto and as their moto continues the track improves more. when the second motos go out the track is much rougher and it slows down the lap times. the track is usually at its fastest during the 1st 250 and WMX motos.

you also have to consider the track grooming between motos, if the organizers make one mistake like too much water the 450s go out and ride in the wet dirt and by doing so dry it out. you see it every weekend at local events with 20+ classes. the

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