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just cause roger hates your dad,,,and you get no personal respect...you get personally screwed out of being the well deserved des nats pick. you pin it to 2-2's all summer on a half ass bike and some 250 rider takes your well deserved spot on a bike he last rode last march?? i hate politics! truth is...mike has come clean as a hard ass rider and a good kid.....the people out of the loop still put it on him that he's some fucker because of what went down when he was 16....due to his dad's decision.....how can you judge a hard riding result producing kid doing it on his own 7 years later?? so lame?? he should be there....he's a hard racer that produces.
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fullfloater 9/10/2012 2:24am
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Oh well, earned lots of fans this summer and that the most important. Great series for him and ended it with two holeshots and lots of laps led in Elsinore.
fullfloater 9/10/2012 2:32am
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By the way, this Decoster interview from MXA sure didn't hold weight later in the season.

There’s a lot of talk about Mike Alessi. He’d be dying to go. What are your thoughts on him?
There are two problems there. I’m not so sure about what kind of support, equipment-wise, he’d get in Europe. Also, looking at lap times from the Nationals, there are 250 guys going almost as fast as Dungey, and Dungey is going a lot faster than anybody else that he’s racing right now.
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IWreckALot 9/10/2012 4:47am
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It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.

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dlhamblin 9/10/2012 4:55am
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
While he has made a lot of improvements, there were a lot of burnt bridges in the past. Will take awhile before those get rebuilt (if they do).
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Crush 9/10/2012 5:14am
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
How does it baffle you?!?!

There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of riders who have way better PR skills or upside than Mike...

Weimer is perfect example... at the mid point of the season he was neck and neck with Mike in points and just hit the deck a few times, but he is a great interview and has a good rep... PC signed him, Kawi signs him and now resigns him... Andrew Short is the same... Nick Wey consistently gets great support cause he is probably the best rider in the sport with interviews... He's made great money his whole career because of how good he is with the fans and media...
xnationalwrench 9/10/2012 5:16am
9/10/2012 5:16am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2012 7:34am
IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
Like its been said before he has burned a few bridges and even now he comes across as not needing factory stuff unless its on his terms. There has been several that have burned bridges but still go back on factory bikes but they learned that the factory can always find another racer coming alone, and bad boys need the factory more than they need them.
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wreckitrandy 9/10/2012 5:18am
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I feel bad for Mike even though like most of us, he's brought a lot of his problems on himself. I've never been a big fan but, it wouldn't make me mad if Mike ramped it way up next year outdoors and won the title. Just please,,, don't ride around trying to get a hug or something from the guys.
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Derpin' DJ 9/10/2012 5:30am
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Crush wrote:
How does it baffle you?!?! There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of...
How does it baffle you?!?!

There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of riders who have way better PR skills or upside than Mike...

Weimer is perfect example... at the mid point of the season he was neck and neck with Mike in points and just hit the deck a few times, but he is a great interview and has a good rep... PC signed him, Kawi signs him and now resigns him... Andrew Short is the same... Nick Wey consistently gets great support cause he is probably the best rider in the sport with interviews... He's made great money his whole career because of how good he is with the fans and media...
Mike has good PR skills. He goes a bit long sometimes, but he doesn't just regurgitate the same bullshit everytime.
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hammertime wrote:
just cause roger hates your dad,,,and you get no personal respect...you get personally screwed out of being the well deserved des nats pick. you pin it...
just cause roger hates your dad,,,and you get no personal respect...you get personally screwed out of being the well deserved des nats pick. you pin it to 2-2's all summer on a half ass bike and some 250 rider takes your well deserved spot on a bike he last rode last march?? i hate politics! truth is...mike has come clean as a hard ass rider and a good kid.....the people out of the loop still put it on him that he's some fucker because of what went down when he was 16....due to his dad's decision.....how can you judge a hard riding result producing kid doing it on his own 7 years later?? so lame?? he should be there....he's a hard racer that produces.
3 250 guys are faster (Baggett, Tomac, Barcia). I dont see how they could take Mikey, other than having more time on the bigger bike. Would Suzuki provide him with support over there? Hard to say.

Personally, I think they made the correct choice for the team.
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I signed up for his page on Fbook and am rather impressed. He is always uplading photo's (training, having fun, at the races, doing funny stuff, etc), he interacts with his fans and is always giving credit to those that are helping him.
The more I watch him the better I think of him and is deserving of factory support.
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motogrady 9/10/2012 5:53am
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
xnationalwrench wrote:
Like its been said before he has burned a few bridges and even now he comes across as not needing factory stuff unless its on his...
Like its been said before he has burned a few bridges and even now he comes across as not needing factory stuff unless its on his terms. There has been several that have burned bridges but still go back on factory bikes but they learned that the factory can always find another racer coming alone, and bad boys need the factory more than they need them.
Yeah, Mike has had his moments, like a lot of us.
Big deal.

Myself, I find it refreshing.
A guy that goes his own way, and kicks every factory out there but KTM.

That's right, Mike Alessi, #1 privateer out there, taking it to the powers that be.

Maybe when Roger retires.........................
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Roscoe33 9/10/2012 6:10am
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1. In Japanese culture once trust is lost the insult is not forgotton, ever.

2. Roger expects to be team manager not Tony.

MX des nations can be bench raced by Vitaltards like me, Mike Alessi # 800 is on the cover of Oct. 2012 Racer X magazine.
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Crush 9/10/2012 6:46am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Mike has good PR skills. He goes a bit long sometimes, but he doesn't just regurgitate the same bullshit everytime.
You are kidding aren't you!?!?!

He has clearly been brought up in a trailer and his answers are preselected from the same old piece of a4 paper he's been reading off since he turned pro... In fact the only scribbles on it have been the rewrites Tony has added to avoid anything about killswitches and boasting when he shouldn't...

Worst interview in the sport...
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You can't do your "own program" at MXdN- it's a team race.
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jeffro503 9/10/2012 7:38am
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Not sure if "speed wise" Mike should of been picked.....but he sure did a great job this summer.

There are a lot of back door politics in this sport.......and when those bridges get burned I think it's hard to get them back. Mike doesn't have anything to be ashamed of that's for sure.......he put in a great season and beat all the other factory riders out there except one. Nobody can ever take that away from him either.

I too wish he could at least get some help from the factory.......as I'd like to see what he could do with some suspension and some other little goodies. At least make the parts available for MCR to buy if they wanted to.
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Rocket88 9/10/2012 7:50am
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Roscoe33 wrote:
1. In Japanese culture once trust is lost the insult is not forgotton, ever. 2. Roger expects to be team manager not Tony. MX des nations...
1. In Japanese culture once trust is lost the insult is not forgotton, ever.

2. Roger expects to be team manager not Tony.

MX des nations can be bench raced by Vitaltards like me, Mike Alessi # 800 is on the cover of Oct. 2012 Racer X magazine.
...and there you have it.
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IWreckALot 9/10/2012 7:51am
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
xnationalwrench wrote:
Like its been said before he has burned a few bridges and even now he comes across as not needing factory stuff unless its on his...
Like its been said before he has burned a few bridges and even now he comes across as not needing factory stuff unless its on his terms. There has been several that have burned bridges but still go back on factory bikes but they learned that the factory can always find another racer coming alone, and bad boys need the factory more than they need them.
motogrady wrote:
Yeah, Mike has had his moments, like a lot of us. Big deal. Myself, I find it refreshing. A guy that goes his own way, and...
Yeah, Mike has had his moments, like a lot of us.
Big deal.

Myself, I find it refreshing.
A guy that goes his own way, and kicks every factory out there but KTM.

That's right, Mike Alessi, #1 privateer out there, taking it to the powers that be.

Maybe when Roger retires.........................
I understand the concept behind burnt bridges but the mentality between the two is WAY too emotional. Even if I absolutely hated the Allessi family, the guy is getting results and the team is very marketable. I would make it a point to form some sort of offer to put my name on the bike. Easy as that.
This is why I'm wondering which side of the court the ball is in. Did Suzuki ever make an offer and MC turned it down? Or is has there been no talking between them? There is value to be added to both MC and Suzuki to make a deal. "Burnt Bridges" is a piss poor reason to disregard adding value to a company/ team. It's business, not high school. Get over yourself and get a deal made.

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jhansen510 9/10/2012 7:53am
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I dont know about any of you guys. But when I was 16 there were some stupid things that I did. Things that I look back at today and say "what the F was I thinking?". Not that it makes it right. He has definitely done some stupid shit in the past.

That said. If you have never personally met Mike, Jeff, Tony, or even Danielle. Then you need to hold your opinions until you do. I personally think that MA800 is a class act and has shown tremendous growth in the last few years. I know I sure didnt have it figured out at 16, 18, 20, 22....... This kid accomplished something that most could not this past season. Credit should be given where it is due.
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72kiteboarder 9/10/2012 7:53am
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He was not picked because he was not on a bike that is either factory or at least Factory supported. Plain and simple, the money calls the shots.
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SwapperMX 9/10/2012 8:22am
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He was not picked because he was not on a bike that is either factory or at least Factory supported. Plain and simple, the money calls...
He was not picked because he was not on a bike that is either factory or at least Factory supported. Plain and simple, the money calls the shots.
Yeah, wasn't there something said about that. They wanted teams/riders/bikes that could and would do whatever it took to win. Which resulted in 3 factory riders being picked. (I put a Pro Circuit bike on equal ground to factory bikes)

As for Alessi, he had a great outdoor season, and his riding at Elsinore was awesome to watch, The way he pinned it to battle with Dungey in the 2nd moto is something I havent seen from him before, and was great to see.
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BobbyM 9/10/2012 8:34am
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
Crush wrote:
How does it baffle you?!?! There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of...
How does it baffle you?!?!

There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of riders who have way better PR skills or upside than Mike...

Weimer is perfect example... at the mid point of the season he was neck and neck with Mike in points and just hit the deck a few times, but he is a great interview and has a good rep... PC signed him, Kawi signs him and now resigns him... Andrew Short is the same... Nick Wey consistently gets great support cause he is probably the best rider in the sport with interviews... He's made great money his whole career because of how good he is with the fans and media...
weimer is a great interview? jake weimer?


afuckingmazing....
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jhansen510 wrote:
I dont know about any of you guys. But when I was 16 there were some stupid things that I did. Things that I look back...
I dont know about any of you guys. But when I was 16 there were some stupid things that I did. Things that I look back at today and say "what the F was I thinking?". Not that it makes it right. He has definitely done some stupid shit in the past.

That said. If you have never personally met Mike, Jeff, Tony, or even Danielle. Then you need to hold your opinions until you do. I personally think that MA800 is a class act and has shown tremendous growth in the last few years. I know I sure didnt have it figured out at 16, 18, 20, 22....... This kid accomplished something that most could not this past season. Credit should be given where it is due.
fuckin eh brother! and it isn't an act...good racing group/family
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BobbyM 9/10/2012 8:38am
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yea...why not?
NateDawg122 9/10/2012 8:45am
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hammertime wrote:
just cause roger hates your dad,,,and you get no personal respect...you get personally screwed out of being the well deserved des nats pick. you pin it...
just cause roger hates your dad,,,and you get no personal respect...you get personally screwed out of being the well deserved des nats pick. you pin it to 2-2's all summer on a half ass bike and some 250 rider takes your well deserved spot on a bike he last rode last march?? i hate politics! truth is...mike has come clean as a hard ass rider and a good kid.....the people out of the loop still put it on him that he's some fucker because of what went down when he was 16....due to his dad's decision.....how can you judge a hard riding result producing kid doing it on his own 7 years later?? so lame?? he should be there....he's a hard racer that produces.
Here are the reasons why Alessi does NOT deserve to go.

1. Speed. Alessi just doesn't have the speed of the top 250 riders. Like Roger said, Baggett and company were running faster lap times on their 250s. And I'm tired of hearing that he deserves to go because he is second in a depleted 450 class. You see I'm one of those crazy people that believes the riders should be picked based on how good they are, not what cc bike they ride.

2. Sand. Alessi isn't the greatest rider in the sand and everyone knows it. Barcia, however, is known to be a great sand rider. And don't try to bring up this years Southwick race to try to disprove this. Everyone has bad races and bad luck, it happens. Let's not forget he won Southwick last year in the 450 class. Speaking of Barcia on the 450, he regularly beat Alessi last year on that bike and ran with RV and RD some.

3. Support. Alessi cannot possibly get the support from Motoconcepts that Barcia will get from Factory Honda. In that deep Lommel sand I want our guys on the best bike possible.

For people to honestly believe that Roger DeCoster (along with Mitch Payton and the other team managers) would actually pick the Motocross Des Nations team based on past personal history with the riders is absolutely absurd. Alessi is simply not cut out for the job.
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IWreckALot wrote:
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance. I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire...
It still baffles me that Alessi doesn't have some sort of factory assistance.

I think his best decision came when he decided to put his entire effort into last season's SX rather than partially saving himself for the outdoors.

He's definitely made some positive changes this summer and is the only rider I can think of that was able to make all of the races in the 2012 SX AND MX seasons. . . That's saying a LOT. Adds to the confusion of why he is without factory parts.
Crush wrote:
How does it baffle you?!?! There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of...
How does it baffle you?!?!

There are x amount of factory rides... And more riders that deserve the spot than x... And there are loads of riders who have way better PR skills or upside than Mike...

Weimer is perfect example... at the mid point of the season he was neck and neck with Mike in points and just hit the deck a few times, but he is a great interview and has a good rep... PC signed him, Kawi signs him and now resigns him... Andrew Short is the same... Nick Wey consistently gets great support cause he is probably the best rider in the sport with interviews... He's made great money his whole career because of how good he is with the fans and media...
And my guess is that the "factories" aren't as worried about those riders taking the proprietary equipment they supply to some shop and allow a third party to disassemble and mess around with it......

I'd think they'd be funny about that.
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burn1986 9/10/2012 8:48am
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I think it has something to do with his MC450 bike. It doesn't really favor any one brand. Suzuki would probably want some signage on it if he got factory help. Mike has done awesome, though. He's no doubt the number 2 man right now, period.
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TDeath21 9/10/2012 9:02am
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I think Justin Barcia is a better pick. Had we not already saw Barcia kill it on a 450 last year, I would want Alessi in there.
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burn1986 9/10/2012 10:27am
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I know the mxdn is important to motocross, but you have to wonder if Alessi really cares. I mean it is a non-paid race.
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mccread 9/10/2012 10:59am
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I interviewed Mike one time and I found him a nice guy. I was also at Hangtown the year he won a moto on the 350 and had talked too much in the press conference which lead Reed to say " I won, right? " ha ha ha . Great moment!

Mike himself seems pretty nice, and you know he will give 100%. I think his supercross results are a reason he doesn't have a factory ride. He should race GPs, he is a great outdoor rider.

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