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usually it's the saying of "If a bear shits in the woods"......not....."If a bear watches a lady shit in the woods". Good try though.
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And for the record, I don't like Herlings at all.
For me there is no question that the US has the best team, and that's the team to beat at EVERY MXdN. So where is the problem when a "Euro" hopes to at least to beat some or all of your riders? I mean that is what racing should always be, going for the win. Is it some kind of "lese majesty" if some GP-rider wants to beat your riders? Or if a fan wants a italian, belgian or dutch rider to beat the US riders? Are you US guys so superior to others that it's a crime to try and beat you?
And to this chestpounding "the US beats the Euros" all the time.
Thats not right, team USA beats the "little" Euro-teams, who are splitted up in all those little countries at the MXdN. And thats what team USA does in the most cases, and thats why the US has the fastest riders country-wise.
But if it really was a race US vs. EURO, or AMA vs. GP, then team US/AMA wouldn't have won all the MXdNs the last years.
So don't act like your shit doesn't stink, just because some guys who happen to live in the same country as you are are pretty damn fast at riding a motorcycle on dirt...
I'm a friggin' German! My grand father moved here from Germany and a few years later is when my dad was born. My Grand father didn't hardly know any English at all.......so basically I'm an implant here......but so is everyone else in this country. ( almost everyone ).......that's why we're called "The melting pot"........because there are people from every single country in the world that lives here.
As far as the GP vs AMA type thing........I have been saying I wish it was like that. I think if a rider competes here for a complete season he gets drafted to the AMA series team. Same with any American ( or any other rider ) that races GP's for a complete season.....should be drafted into the FIM.
BUT.......just so you know.....I had this conversation last year ( I think it was with Doc Sweden ).........and we talleyed the AMA vs FIM guys at the MXoN's.....and the AMA series riders cleaned house! Obviously we had to only score something like the top 7 - 8 riders.......because the FIM riders out numbered the AMA riders like 4 - 1.
On which MXoNs did you talleye the AMA vs FIM results?
I did it some years ago on the 2009, 2008 and 2007 MXoNs and it wasn't really a "clean house" for the AMA. Klick here
To be fair it has to be mentioned that in these years I named above not all of the AMA top guys were racing the MXoN.
If I'm honest in one way I'd like to see another country win but that's just cause I usually go (root) for the underdog
but in another way I don't want the US to lose cause I like Dungey and I like a lot of you guys on here
buut in all honesty I don't really care who wins, mainly cause I'm pretty certain it'll be America AGAIN haha and I don't really have a dog in this fight and even if I did it makes absolutely zero difference to my life who wins a motocross race...
but I do love the Des Nations though
the problem I have with these threads is that it's mostly the GP followers wanting the AMA followers to admit the GP guys are competitive but the AMA followers want the GP followers to lay down and show them their bellies and admit that everything and everyone in America is better than everything and everyone anywhere else
that last paragraph was not directed at you Jeffro and is completely in my opinion haha
No bashing or hating, just my personal impression, but that's kind the way all this AMA vs GP threads look to me too.
Bagget was on fire earlier on in the year and we were amazed that he actually cracked Dungeys times by a little,if it had been 5 seconds a lap at a track over there that this MXdN was due in a month? This place would have a different view and rightly so,no one is slamming the USA,nearly every sane Euro,Aussie or Brit etc thinks the US will take the overall,if Frossard and Philipaerts weren't out,personally I might feel otherwise
I don't go too much on Herlings but credit where its due doing 19 laps in around the same time Cairoli did 18,DC saw him in easier sand conditions and said the US boys would have their hands full,and that was a year and a half ago
Personally I'm glad we get to see not just the Americans but all the AMA and ex-GP riders do battle with the current GP guys as there is so much talent split into 2 series,I just wish there was more of it!
I'm also not stupid enough to believe that America isn't the "be all , know all " .....even though some of the over the top patriotic assholes come across that way. We all have them....from every country.
But just like you guys.......I also like to protect our riders from big flame fests when I don't think it's deserved. They are all racers.....no mater which side of the pond you happened to be born in.
Last but not least.....I agree that I want to just see some damn good racing. I have had my favorite riders across the pond as well.....and cheered for them during GP's and especially the MXoN's race.
I'll defend my country......but not all of us are complete assholes that shout out USA IS #1 every time I take a breath. I can't stand those type of pricks either. And I give credit where credit is due.
and I'm pretty sure I've read that you watch the GP's as well.. I just don't know where you've read people flaming the AMA riders
I could've missed it but I don't think I have
well maybe matti but I'm pretty sure that dude is only a youngun all hopped up testosterone and not sure how to get rid of it haha
Herlings is phenomenal in the sand but nothing is guaranteed and no one knows how Barcia, Dungey or Baggett will fare in Belgium yet. Thats the beauty of this years event.
Pit Row
a german kid moving to america, racing tracks hes never rode before, racing in heat hes not used to etc etc etc...
you really think he was going to clean up in his first year out there? your an idiot !!
but considering its his first race didnt he nearly win the first round? ... hasnt he jsut won a race the other weekend? hasnt he been on the podium nearly every weekend if not every weekend ? hasnt he been top 5 nearly every race?
so get your head out your arse and see the bigger picture and not just that american riders are beating him... of course they will do, if the ama riders came over and race in Roczen comfort zone, they wouldnt win either....
hope you read this and take it in and realise america arent unbeatable ! and to think barcia bagget and dungey will beat herlings in the sand that he masters in your again and idiot !
I still like to call the MXoN's........the Motocross "Des" Nations if that means anything. Just habit.
But like usual....like clockwork....when the race becomes closer you'll get guys like Matti , McCread , Geoff , Mohammed and quite a few others in here stirring the pot. And then we get a bunch of jackass posters on our side like Carlos Mu-chacho that says shit and makes me feel embarrassed to be an American.
Christ....fwiw I almost feel like just logging off a week prior and after the race....it get unbearable in here...year after year.
Off the point here a little.....but I try to break down a race and it's riders by how they performed against other riders. This is why I commented on the Roczen and Musquin beating Herlings. They did before in the past , and " I believe " both Roczen and Musquin have upped their game since they came over here. They had to......it's a little different type of racing. Full out sprint from gate to checkers and even they will admit that.
One last thing....I know that Herlings will be tough to beat at Lommel. The dude is an amazing sand rider and unless something happens.....I know he'll be out towards the front going for wins. I may be rooting for our Americans.....but I'm not naive enough to dismiss Herlings speed in the sand.
Teka for years personal sponsor of K-rock and the suzuki gp team. Ken moved to ktm and teka became there big sponsor
(just kidding
I think the riders, once they orient themselves more to the way things actually are in this respect, will do better for themselves.
So, to me anyway, if there's a comparison to be made on geography, it makes more sense to say something other than AMA riders to refer to a pool of international riders that choose to ride in the US based series.
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