Wrong rider choice in "Justin Barcia" for MXDN?

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motomike137 8/16/2012 8:31am
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Barcia is the best choice, and has race the 450 in the US and been at the front. He is also good in sand. Also MX3...
Barcia is the best choice, and has race the 450 in the US and been at the front. He is also good in sand. Also MX3 isn't as competitive as MX1 so he should win the class. USA should win the team part easy enough.

Individually it will be harder but all three will be up there.
There isn't just a "team part" to this race. It is a team race period... moto wins are just for bragging rights.
Old School Racer 8/16/2012 9:04am
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Tomac has never been on a 450 at that level at this point. Honestly I am not a fan of barcia, but he was the best...
Tomac has never been on a 450 at that level at this point. Honestly I am not a fan of barcia, but he was the best choice of the riders available.
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He raced it at Monster cup last year and got 4th I believe betting Alessi in both mains if I remember right. Also a few vids...
He raced it at Monster cup last year and got 4th I believe betting Alessi in both mains if I remember right.
Also a few vids floating around of him riding one I believe, he looks very good on them.
BUT, I stand behind the choice of Barcia as we haven't seen Eli on one on a real outdoor track, which is what I think you meant Wink
IWreckALot wrote:
Per John Tomac, they ride 450's more at their ranch than 250's. Everyone says that Barcia has killed it at Southwick every year but this year...
Per John Tomac, they ride 450's more at their ranch than 250's.

Everyone says that Barcia has killed it at Southwick every year but this year. I thought I remember his bike breaking while he was mid pack last year at Southwick on the 450. I'm definitely not a Barcia fan and am a huge ET supporter but Barcia has definitely straightened up the consistency this year.

I think we're going to see ET start beating Baggett regularly. He KILLED Baggett at Freestone this year and was on a mission at Southwick. I think he has every bit of natural talent as Baggett and seems to have Dungey's work ethic and KRoc's passion for fun.
Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk not.

Killed him at Southwick?? I am pretty sure Blake had the same moto scores as Eli and got the OA...! Killed him? No. Rode really well, Yes.

Eli has thrown 1 away this year, Southwick. Lets look at how many Blake has thrown away. Mt. Morris, he basically had alreay caught and passed Barcia then proceeds to crash a few times and losses the win. Millville, clearly was hands down the fastest guy by a large margin and threw it away.

Blake has the same amount of wins (motos) as Barcia and Eli do combined. I realize that you are a fan of Eli, but get your facts straight before you use the word KILLED.

Just saying.
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chrisbuehler 8/16/2012 9:22am
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Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk...
Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk not.

Killed him at Southwick?? I am pretty sure Blake had the same moto scores as Eli and got the OA...! Killed him? No. Rode really well, Yes.

Eli has thrown 1 away this year, Southwick. Lets look at how many Blake has thrown away. Mt. Morris, he basically had alreay caught and passed Barcia then proceeds to crash a few times and losses the win. Millville, clearly was hands down the fastest guy by a large margin and threw it away.

Blake has the same amount of wins (motos) as Barcia and Eli do combined. I realize that you are a fan of Eli, but get your facts straight before you use the word KILLED.

Just saying.
Maybe if you were there you would have seen he did smoke Blake at Southwick. First moto was a cakewalk and second moto he was 20 sec back! Freestone same thing, it's no excuse that Bagget didnt get a good start. Since when does Bagget need a start to win? Blake has the faster of the two for sure but he's been beat straight up plenty by Tomac
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Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk...
Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk not.

Killed him at Southwick?? I am pretty sure Blake had the same moto scores as Eli and got the OA...! Killed him? No. Rode really well, Yes.

Eli has thrown 1 away this year, Southwick. Lets look at how many Blake has thrown away. Mt. Morris, he basically had alreay caught and passed Barcia then proceeds to crash a few times and losses the win. Millville, clearly was hands down the fastest guy by a large margin and threw it away.

Blake has the same amount of wins (motos) as Barcia and Eli do combined. I realize that you are a fan of Eli, but get your facts straight before you use the word KILLED.

Just saying.
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Maybe if you were there you would have seen he did smoke Blake at Southwick. First moto was a cakewalk and second moto he was 20...
Maybe if you were there you would have seen he did smoke Blake at Southwick. First moto was a cakewalk and second moto he was 20 sec back! Freestone same thing, it's no excuse that Bagget didnt get a good start. Since when does Bagget need a start to win? Blake has the faster of the two for sure but he's been beat straight up plenty by Tomac
I was there buddy as i have been for almost every national of the year.

By the way, Blake and Eli were doing the same lap times until Blake caught Kenny. When they started playing cat and mouse is when Eli was catching them by 5-7 seconds a lap.

Eli rode great at the Wick but the whole KILLED word is ridiculous.

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chrisbuehler 8/16/2012 9:34am
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I was there buddy as i have been for almost every national of the year. By the way, Blake and Eli were doing the same lap...
I was there buddy as i have been for almost every national of the year.

By the way, Blake and Eli were doing the same lap times until Blake caught Kenny. When they started playing cat and mouse is when Eli was catching them by 5-7 seconds a lap.

Eli rode great at the Wick but the whole KILLED word is ridiculous.
Right on brother. You didnt think he was much more impressive than Blake at Southwick? Blake never has trouble passing, why couldnt he get Roczen earlier?
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seth505 8/16/2012 9:35am
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For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit. Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs...
For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit.

Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs at honda probably had somethin to do with that.

Makes me more of an 800 fan. I feel for him.

GL with the rest of the season Aleesis. Hopefully we'll see ya get an overall! Cool
Haha are you frickin serious? I hate honda and still laughed at this post.
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After watching what "Eli Tomac" did in Southwick, Just maybe their second guessing themselves for who should be racing the MX3 class? Maybe they should have...
After watching what "Eli Tomac" did in Southwick,
Just maybe their second guessing themselves
for who should be racing the MX3 class?

Maybe they should have a 450f shootout in the sand
between "Barcia, Tomac, Stewart, Alessi, Tickle, Millsaps and Goerke"?
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Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so...
Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so you never know. I'd say that we are the underdog this year though. That's just MHO.


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Grieby54 wrote:
Barcia faded? When?
Dilla.


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dehner47 8/16/2012 9:41am
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Old School Racer wrote:
Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk...
Killed Bagett at Freestone?? Eli gets agood start and runs away with it while Blake gets two horrble starts and get second. Killed him?? I thnk not.

Killed him at Southwick?? I am pretty sure Blake had the same moto scores as Eli and got the OA...! Killed him? No. Rode really well, Yes.

Eli has thrown 1 away this year, Southwick. Lets look at how many Blake has thrown away. Mt. Morris, he basically had alreay caught and passed Barcia then proceeds to crash a few times and losses the win. Millville, clearly was hands down the fastest guy by a large margin and threw it away.

Blake has the same amount of wins (motos) as Barcia and Eli do combined. I realize that you are a fan of Eli, but get your facts straight before you use the word KILLED.

Just saying.
"Eli has thrown 1 away this year, Southwick. Lets look at how many Blake has thrown away. Mt. Morris, he basically had alreay caught and passed Barcia then proceeds to crash a few times and losses the win. Millville, clearly was hands down the fastest guy by a large margin and threw it away."

so Baggett has thrown more wins away then Eli? and you want Baggett on our MXdN team why??
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Grieby54 8/16/2012 9:41am
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P wrote:
Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so...
Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so you never know. I'd say that we are the underdog this year though. That's just MHO.


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Barcia faded? When?
P wrote:
Dilla.


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You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
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Grieby54 wrote:
Barcia faded? When?
P wrote:
Dilla.


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Grieby54 wrote:
You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
No, I'm talking about the race where RV and Dungey caught and passed him after he had a pretty nice lead. Yes, that's fading.


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chrisbuehler 8/16/2012 9:43am
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P wrote:
Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so...
Hard to say. Barcia seemed to fade on the 450 last year, but he seems a lot stronger this year. They are both pretty young so you never know. I'd say that we are the underdog this year though. That's just MHO.


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Grieby54 wrote:
Barcia faded? When?
P wrote:
Dilla.


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You mean his first race ever on a 450 where he hung with defending champ Dungey for awhile? Yeah I think we can forgive him blowing it out when a outdoor monster like Dungey is behind you. Look how it made James crack and throw it away at Thunder Valley. J/k P hope we se a 100% James this weekend .
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Grieby54 8/16/2012 9:46am
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Dilla.


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Grieby54 wrote:
You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
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No, I'm talking about the race where RV [b]and[/b] Dungey caught and passed him after he had a pretty nice lead. Yes, that's fading. P
No, I'm talking about the race where RV and Dungey caught and passed him after he had a pretty nice lead. Yes, that's fading.


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Good point, those two rarely ever chase down the guys in front of them.
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Grieby54 wrote:
Barcia faded? When?
P wrote:
Dilla.


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Grieby54 wrote:
You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
....also, didn't he win the first moto at Pala last year on the 450 (ahead of RD5 and RV2)?
I think people forget that he has actually matured alot over they years. Not only that, but he has one of the best in the biz in his corner and Jeff will keep him on the staight and narrow. He'll do good.
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Grieby54 wrote:
You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
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No, I'm talking about the race where RV [b]and[/b] Dungey caught and passed him after he had a pretty nice lead. Yes, that's fading. P
No, I'm talking about the race where RV and Dungey caught and passed him after he had a pretty nice lead. Yes, that's fading.


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Grieby54 wrote:
Good point, those two rarely ever chase down the guys in front of them.
Look at his lap times if you don't believe me and if your argument is that everyone gets slower at the end of the race, we know that isn't true. The way many of you talk he should be stomping the 250 class and we know that he isn't. He's a really good rider, but I don't know that he is for sure going to stomp the Euros. He very well might, but It's not a lock from what I can tell.

I'm just stating what happened and I ALSO SAID that he looks to be in better shape this year.


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chrisbuehler 8/16/2012 9:52am
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P wrote:
Dilla.


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Grieby54 wrote:
You mean where he kept Dungey behind him for almost the entire race before they came together mid-air and Barcia sampled the soil? That's fading?
MT MX wrote:
....also, didn't he win the first moto at Pala last year on the 450 (ahead of RD5 and RV2)? I think people forget that he has...
....also, didn't he win the first moto at Pala last year on the 450 (ahead of RD5 and RV2)?
I think people forget that he has actually matured alot over they years. Not only that, but he has one of the best in the biz in his corner and Jeff will keep him on the staight and narrow. He'll do good.
i dont think so. Didnt RV win the first and Dungey the second? For how solid he was on the 450, he's got some work to do. The Ryans beat him by 45sec at Steel City when they started together and were pushing each other
scrubbin627 8/16/2012 9:59am
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Eli is better than Barcia right now....atleast on a 250f. I still would have picked Alessi.
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MT MX wrote:
....also, didn't he win the first moto at Pala last year on the 450 (ahead of RD5 and RV2)? I think people forget that he has...
....also, didn't he win the first moto at Pala last year on the 450 (ahead of RD5 and RV2)?
I think people forget that he has actually matured alot over they years. Not only that, but he has one of the best in the biz in his corner and Jeff will keep him on the staight and narrow. He'll do good.
No, he won the second moto at Southwick. The moto that Dungey almost didn't make He got a second in the second moto at Pala.


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Danster wrote:
After watching what "Eli Tomac" did in Southwick, Just maybe their second guessing themselves for who should be racing the MX3 class? Maybe they should have...
After watching what "Eli Tomac" did in Southwick,
Just maybe their second guessing themselves
for who should be racing the MX3 class?

Maybe they should have a 450f shootout in the sand
between "Barcia, Tomac, Stewart, Alessi, Tickle, Millsaps and Goerke"?
I don't think that it is that simple. First, you can't choose a rider because of one race. If you want to include Tomac based on this year's Southwick, then you must also include Barcia based on last year's Southwick. Secondly, Tomac is not proven on the 450 like Barcia is. Barcia has shown incredible speed on the 450. Finally, there were other deciding factors other than results, such as team cohesion and rider adaptability.

Tickle, Millsaps, and Goerke would be bad choices because overall, their results don't bear out any kind of consistency as far as being a consistent and top three rider. Dungey has, Bagget has, and Barcia has. Add in Stewart, Reed, Canard, and RV, and I don't think Mike Alessi would be top three. But the number reason that Alessi was not included in my opinion was the team cohesion factor, and secondary, his speed. He's not up there with Dungey, and I think a lot of people get the impression that Barcia would be finishing ahead of Alessi on the 450's if they were racing together.

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chrisbuehler 8/16/2012 10:05am
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They have all had their days to shine in the 250 class, cmon. Do we go by just the last race? Eli is one of my fav riders but were was he at Shougal?
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I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head at this nonsense that a choice made is a bad one because there were other good choices available.
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ocscottie 8/16/2012 10:16am
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I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head at this nonsense that a choice made is a bad one because there were other good...
I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head at this nonsense that a choice made is a bad one because there were other good choices available.
...and having to read it over and over and over and over again.
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4mxonly 8/16/2012 10:35am
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cheers_22 wrote:
For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit. Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs...
For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit.

Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs at honda probably had somethin to do with that.

Makes me more of an 800 fan. I feel for him.

GL with the rest of the season Aleesis. Hopefully we'll see ya get an overall! Cool
mom241 wrote:
The des Nations is not high on Honda's agenda.
Grieby54 wrote:
Pffft... you don't know anything. It's not like your son rides a factory Honda or anything.
What is the reach and scope of viewers for the MXoN? How about advertising impressions post-hoc (i.e. magazine and digital ads with US team and bikes on the podium)? Not to mention the high level of anticipation, buzz, and patriotism-fueled discussion generated from this global event. Honda (as with any OEM) is a global company and wants to sell motocross bikes in all the respective markets that the MXoN draws attention from. If you were to ask someone at Honda's powersports division whether or not the MXoN was a priority, I think they'd have a completely different answer... especially for the fact that they've got a brand new 450 they want to promote and sell. I mean, it must be pure coincidence that Justin is riding a 450 at MXoN (as opposed to the 250f that he currently rides), will be riding the 2013 450 in the approaching supercross season, and is already featured in ads for the Honda 450 (second banner rotating on the Honda Powersports home page).
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mom241 8/16/2012 12:03pm
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4mxonly wrote:
What is the reach and scope of viewers for the MXoN? How about advertising impressions post-hoc (i.e. magazine and digital ads with US team and bikes...
What is the reach and scope of viewers for the MXoN? How about advertising impressions post-hoc (i.e. magazine and digital ads with US team and bikes on the podium)? Not to mention the high level of anticipation, buzz, and patriotism-fueled discussion generated from this global event. Honda (as with any OEM) is a global company and wants to sell motocross bikes in all the respective markets that the MXoN draws attention from. If you were to ask someone at Honda's powersports division whether or not the MXoN was a priority, I think they'd have a completely different answer... especially for the fact that they've got a brand new 450 they want to promote and sell. I mean, it must be pure coincidence that Justin is riding a 450 at MXoN (as opposed to the 250f that he currently rides), will be riding the 2013 450 in the approaching supercross season, and is already featured in ads for the Honda 450 (second banner rotating on the Honda Powersports home page).
I'm telling you what someone in the Powersports division told me. Don't really care if you believe me.
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IceMan446 8/16/2012 12:22pm
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So what happened to the "unspoken" rule of the top two 450 riders and the points leader in the lites???

Mike got the shaft.

For all of you saying Barcia is consistent, how consistent has he been on a 450 this year? Ill wait.

You might not like Mike but he is the second best 450 rider right now and should have had the spot on the team.
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4mxonly 8/16/2012 12:25pm
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I'm telling you what someone in the Powersports division told me. Don't really care if you believe me.
Candidly I'm telling you--in no way am I questioning your honesty (i.e. whether or not I believe you); what I am saying however, is that for a company like Honda to say they do not have a significant stake in such a prestigious event seems backwards. Obviously it's enough of a priority for them to provide the necessary resources to get Justin what he needs to compete against the world's best... I'd say that's pretty important. Also, does anyone really think that if I went and asked the head of marketing or PR at Honda powersports "is MXoN a priority?" that they would say no? Once again, I'm not questioning whether or not what you said was true. Instead, I am posing a hypothetical question that has everything to do with conventional wisdom in the powersports industry.
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FreshTopEnd 8/16/2012 12:33pm
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Candidly I'm telling you--in no way am I questioning your honesty (i.e. whether or not I believe you); what I am saying however, is that for...
Candidly I'm telling you--in no way am I questioning your honesty (i.e. whether or not I believe you); what I am saying however, is that for a company like Honda to say they do not have a significant stake in such a prestigious event seems backwards. Obviously it's enough of a priority for them to provide the necessary resources to get Justin what he needs to compete against the world's best... I'd say that's pretty important. Also, does anyone really think that if I went and asked the head of marketing or PR at Honda powersports "is MXoN a priority?" that they would say no? Once again, I'm not questioning whether or not what you said was true. Instead, I am posing a hypothetical question that has everything to do with conventional wisdom in the powersports industry.
I think Canard's mom is getting you as close to posing that question to Honda as you can get, and Honda says it wasn't important.

Why would it be, certainly to American Honda, when it's only going be seen here by the 1,000 people that buy the coverage from MXLife. Even the promoter of the event doesn't think it's important enough in the US to invest in broader media distribution.
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mom241 8/16/2012 12:45pm
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I'm absolutely positive that they are thrilled that Justin is included on the team, especially the Honda team itself. But I'm also telling you that it is not a priority for Honda as a company to be included. They will support Justin and the team in any way possible and with enthusiasm.
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cheers_22 wrote:
For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit. Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs...
For the people sayin barcia has done more than Alessi in the 450 class... That's straight bullshit.

Alessi deserves the ride. It's ashame the big wigs at honda probably had somethin to do with that.

Makes me more of an 800 fan. I feel for him.

GL with the rest of the season Aleesis. Hopefully we'll see ya get an overall! Cool
Highsider wrote:
Since you appear to be somewhat of an Alessi expert, wtf happened second moto at Southwick?
He said on the podium that they made some changes to the suspension, and that it hurt the bike rather than helped it.
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drkelly 8/16/2012 1:28pm
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So what happened to the "unspoken" rule of the top two 450 riders and the points leader in the lites??? Mike got the shaft. For all...
So what happened to the "unspoken" rule of the top two 450 riders and the points leader in the lites???

Mike got the shaft.

For all of you saying Barcia is consistent, how consistent has he been on a 450 this year? Ill wait.

You might not like Mike but he is the second best 450 rider right now and should have had the spot on the team.
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Mike Alessi should have gotten the ride.

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